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Maggot	Posted - 2005.10.26 10:29:00 - [31] Ushra'khan has committed no piracy in Providence ever. Whilst hunting down slavers we have come under fire from Huzzah patrols and were told that U'K was to be killed on sight. We have long memories and know exactly what happened. You happily aligned yourself with the slavers and now you will pay the price. Interesting that you make repeated accusations of us working with the pirates in the neighbourhood. I think you have spent too much time alone out in Providence and are becoming a little paranoid. Ushra'khan is an anti-pirate corporation as the residents of Amamake and Molden Heath will testify.
Eddie Gordo	Posted - 2005.10.26 10:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Josiah Bleak Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 26/10/2005 10:14:12 Our reasons a year ago were the same as they are now. The only difference is the scale of our attacks. A year ago we would not dare risk open war with both CVA AND Huzzah. Today the tides of war have turned, we find ourselfs in a position of power....you shall pay for your year long support of CVA. Providence shall burn. Read my message above and ask yourself why indeed Unity didnt find itself in open war with both CVA AND Huzzah a year ago. HF certainly didnt push itself to alter the balance of power. However, it's your choice to delude yourself. Bring it on if narrow minded bigotry is the only path available to you. Be warned however, if you do pursue with this misguided course of action, once we are free of our current wars, we will look much more closely at you. Josiah Bleak Believe me, it has more to do with the fact that Providence seems to be a safe haven for the remnants of the once great CVA. Before it was not an issue, targets presented themselves on a regular basis. Now however, we find ourselves needing to go further and further into Amarr territory to stamp this vile organisation out. Huzzah, on more than one occasion has prevented us from striking against Key CVA assets, we cannot treat you merely as targets of opportunity any longer. Now recruiting
cold lazarus	Posted - 2005.10.26 10:33:00 - [33] No what i am saying is HUZZAH have co-ordinated attacks on UNITY pilots with CVA. not as you say "heat of the moment" but deliberate and co-ordinated knowing full well the targets beforhand.
Josiah Bleak	Posted - 2005.10.26 10:53:00 - [34] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Believe me, it has more to do with the fact that Providence seems to be a safe haven for the remnants of the once great CVA. Before it was not an issue, targets presented themselves on a regular basis. Now however, we find ourselves needing to go further and further into Amarr territory to stamp this vile organisation out. Huzzah, on more than one occasion has prevented us from striking against Key CVA assets, we cannot treat you merely as targets of opportunity any longer. Aha at last we approach the truth. So you need a new enemy to play with? Why didn't you just say so. You sure pick a good time to formalise this. Leaves a nasty taste in this old drunkard's mouth however that you choose to do so at exactly the time when we are deeply embroiled in a life and death conflict with OUR traditional enemies. Very pragmatic. We chose not to get involved when we could have done you a great deal of damage, yet you choose not to show us the same courtesy. If you need to challenge us at such a time, then I hope that any resultant victory (which to be honest would be far more to do with the efforts of the pirate hordes) rings hollowly in the dark hours of the night. You say that you don't ally with pirates - maybe you don't, you just let them do your dirty work and then step in hoping to claim the credit. Josiah Bleak
Maggot	Posted - 2005.10.26 10:56:00 - [35] Edited by: Maggot on 26/10/2005 10:56:55 The exact date and time for this attack were planned long before your war with your local pirates was announced on galnet. Would you like us to be gentle with you?
Josiah Bleak	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:02:00 - [36] Do what you will slaver. You'll get it back in spades, with or without our current wars. Josiah Bleak
Logan Xerxes	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:06:00 - [37] While the pirates are probbably thinking: "SWEET!!! more targets!
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:07:00 - [38] The pathetic mewlings of slaver lovers. You are paying for your alliance. Perhaps you should have looked at what your allies perpetuate before you jumped into bed with them. The sufferring you are currently undertaking is nothing to that of my people. War is hell, get used to it scum. - Just a simple warrior.
Josiah Bleak	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:24:00 - [39] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino The pathetic mewlings of slaver lovers. You are paying for your alliance. Perhaps you should have looked at what your allies perpetuate before you jumped into bed with them. The sufferring you are currently undertaking is nothing to that of my people. War is hell, get used to it scum. Oh we are used to it pirate lover. As you will find out. Huzzah has never condoned the sufferings of your people but I am finally starting to think there were reasons behind your subjugation. Josiah Bleak
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Josiah Bleak Aha at last we approach the truth. So you need a new enemy to play with? Why didn't you just say so. Do what you will slaver. You'll get it back in spades, with or without our current wars. Josiah Bleak These are from two different messages of yours Josiah. Allow me to address them. First statement: As a pro-active anti-slavery alliance, we have never had to look for enemies. The universe seems to spawn them regularly. Second statement: You seem a bit confused, as this is our standing precisely. Thank you for reinforcing it. Sarkos Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Josiah Bleak	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:37:00 - [41] So you admit that your standing is indeed that of slaver as mentioned in the second message. Thank you for clarifying that. Josiah Bleak
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Josiah Bleak So you admit that your standing is indeed that of slaver as mentioned in the second message. Thank you for clarifying that. Josiah Bleak You're spin will go nowhere. The statement echos our, not the action. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Josiah Bleak	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:44:00 - [43] Now I AM confused. Back to baking space cookies for me.
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.10.26 11:49:00 - [44] The Huzzah Federation has now mentioned several times that they do not support slavery. But at the same time you support those that not only do support slavery, but represent the Empire that actively raids our worlds for new slaves. Brothers and sisters of Matar, in the Huzzah Federation, coming to the aid of any of these Amarr para-military organizations stains your hands with the blood of millions of our kin. Whether you yourselves support slavery does not matter. You support those that enslave, therefore you are as guilty as they are. Throw off the blinders that have your reasoning muddled from the facts. To support slavers is to support slavery, period. Providence shall burn, and any that throw their will behind the supporters of slavery will burn with it. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Ilany	Posted - 2005.10.26 12:40:00 - [45] Ah, but by that logic you would declare war on all those that trade and "support" the CVA - the Amarr, the Caldari State, even the Gallente and dare I say it, the Republic itself trade goods. And yet you do not fight them. From the evidence of who you attack, your struggle is purely ideological. So why do you attack us? Why would we even bother to argue unless to protest that we do not agree with slavery?
Maggot	Posted - 2005.10.26 12:55:00 - [46] Edited by: Maggot on 26/10/2005 12:55:08 Shipping carrying slaves will be shot down no matter who is the carrier, private corporation or state owned. If you truely do not support slavery then I look forward to a visit from your diplomats to discuss the mattter. In the meantime you will be treated in the same way that our innocent pilots have been treated by the Huzzah Federation, with contempt.
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Maggot You happily aligned yourself with the slavers and now you will pay the price. ... Interesting that you make repeated accusations of us working with the pirates in the neighbourhood. ... Ushra'khan is an anti-pirate corporation as the residents of Amamake and Molden Heath will testify. A bit on a sideway, but for the arguments sake and the brilliance of my old mans babbling ... Is there such a big difference between a pirate and a slaver at all? Well, maybe as far as numbers are concerned there might be a diffeerence, if you ask me. And if HUFF associates with pirates and/or slavers what makes that HUFF look like? Pirates? Slavers? Anyway, I see that Ushra'Khan has their own reasons to deal with HUFF, reasons rooting in the past when the seed was sowed. As HUFF is with their amarr allies my heart goes with UNITY and I wish them a nice campaign. Maybe that region will be "not" under control of anyone but free and open for all, soon. Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner, the man in an ogre space suit
Solusar	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:03:00 - [48] I suggest you talk to your friends at wings of maak to discover who fired to first shots against Huzzah shipping in Providence.
Azrael Callidor	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:05:00 - [49] Why is it a common trait in this galaxy that it's citizens do not seem to like accepting responsibility for lying in the bed they have made for themselves? "Diminished responsibility, Sir!" Huzzah Federation has supported the CVA for a long time, surely that is not being debated here because it is plain to see. Angry Dan, you yourself call them friends. You may have deliberately avoided actively becoming a feature on the political landscape but i'm afraid that's a rather naive expectation. You are CVA's friends. In order to act to our full capacity against CVA you need to be wiped off of our political landscape, a place where Huzzah has featured as a blot partly obstructing our view of CVA. You cannot be friends with everyone, i'm afraid. This act of hostilities is a means to a greater end and regardless of the chorused bleating claiming we won't find any slaves in Huzzah space, its really not the point. Think about it, it might help the understanding. As with any war in this Galaxy, we do because we can. We have a goal and this is a way of stepping up one more rung towards it. We will soon see whether it is successful. I feel it will be. Angry Dan with respect to you old friend, I must add that history between us will not stay my guns as I doubt it will yours. You are merely another target until this is all over i'm afraid. Only then, depending, we may be able to put this episode behind us. Here's hoping. --- AC "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;)
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:05:00 - [50] Ok as interim leader for the Huzzah Federation I felt the need to join in this thread with the official line. Recently the Huzzah Federation has been engaged by it's traditional pirate enemies for a few weeks now in a war of regional control, these forces being comprised of TSBS (Now TSDS) and The Priory. Last week the CVA declared on one of these entities and not long after, in fact the very weekend after Ushra'khan trekked all the way through Amarr space and decided to attack Huzzah POS en mass whilst a combined pirate fleet blockaded R3. Note that this was an attack against Huzzah and not CVA space, CVA being their traditional enemies. Browsing the Priory and TSBS kill boards I did not notice one recorded win or loss against Ushra'khan pilots from either of these organisations, also during the week Huzzah pilots have gone down to their space from the Empire battlefields to shift a UNITY fleet only to have that fleet log and a pirate enemy fleet decide to pursue the allies. The coincidences add up for anyone that cares to look at events and it's been mighty convenient for both sides that their supposedly unrelated activities would appear to have the same result as coordinated actions. Ushra'khan are not even claiming territory in this space, they are not fighting for control, they are not targeting their traditional enemy all they seem to be doing is attacking where our forces are not due to being tied up fighting the pirate forces allied against us, fortunate timing for Ushra'khan & the pirates it would seem. The CVA is our neighbour in Providence and control the space that we need to pass through to get to Empire which being in a 0.0 region without NPC or PC stations is a necessity. CVA also share our free space for all and anti piracy stance so naturally we are going to work very closely with them in military matters in terms of defence of the region, this specifically does not include their war with UNITY. We do not consider ourselves part of the Amarr empire and do work to further it's aims as our alliance is it's own entity and we are of multi ethnic composition. Rage and Terror are neutral to all but Red Alliance and that means they shoot all in 0.0 (including Ushra'khan), that's they way they are and in fact this has been confirmed by diplomatic communication with them. Ushra'khan ships have attacked us in the area and so they are considered hostile, simple as that, in fact we have not seen you in the area very much and I've initiated diplomatic talks with you now that you have made a presence as we do with all local entities hostile and friendly. The Huzzah Federation believes in freedom for all and that includes those of neutrals to pass through our space, such a viewpoint does not align itself with denying freedom to those who are enslaved. Regardless of what Ushra'khan claim their actions aid the forces of piracy in this war and I wonder if the leadership are being one hundred percent truthful to the pilots they send out to fight as the whom their allies are and just why they are fighting for for the reasons I've outlined above. Our pirate enemies we have a lot of respect for and they do not appear to display such hypocrisy as to their ideology and actions. To all Huzzah members, think before you post as you represent the alliance and no flaming is tolerated. Regards Hans Outreach Executive Huzzah Foreign Affairs Anti Pirate? Tired of sec hits? Join us for free wars!
Azrael Callidor	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:16:00 - [51] I'd like to add that the pirate allegiance reports are bullcrap, we're on the lookout for them as much as Huzzah. For the record, it's actually my personal opinion that allying with pirates would be justifiable in more than one circumstance but then my views on that are not the same as the consensus decision of the U'K alliance.. (which says - yes you guessed it - no pirate NAPs and no pirate allies) Also quit arguing about who fired first, either Huzzah or Ushra'Kahn, its irrelevant because the point is WE ARE ALREADY HOSTILE TO EACH OTHER. Hostility from Huzzah impinges our freedom in Providence - hence our attacks. If we fired first, frankly who cares? It's lawless space, Huzzah took an early alignment with the CVA, the vast majority of pilots in 0.0 regions operate NBSI policy. Some of us are no different, particularly when it comes to known allies of our enemies. Besides that, i'd be very surprised if we had left huzzah alone and their joint CVA camps start deciding shooting Ushra'Kahn pilots was beyond their mandate. HAHA. Laughable. --- AC "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;)
Mactire	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Azrael Callidor "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;) If you fight alongside Pirates, it makes you a Pirate. Where is your honour?
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Mactire Originally by: Azrael Callidor "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;) If you fight alongside Pirates, it makes you a Pirate. Where is your honour? We dont fight alongside pirates. You however, fight alongside slavers. Which by your rationing makes you slavers. - Just a simple warrior.
Makkar	Posted - 2005.10.26 13:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Makkar on 26/10/2005 13:57:54 Originally by: Hans Roaming The Huzzah Federation believes in freedom for all and that includes those of neutrals to pass through our space, such a viewpoint does not align itself with denying freedom to those who are enslaved. Might I ask how this view held by the Huzzah Federation allows you to work alongside the CVA, which consists entirely of slavers, and those that support the practice of slavery? Originally by: Hans Roaming ... Our pirate enemies we have a lot of respect for and they do not appear to display such hypocrisy as to their ideology and actions. ... If you trust and respect the words of a pirate over those of a freedom fighter alliance with an anti-piracy policy just like yours, why don't you ask them whether they're working with U'K, rather than publically decrying the U'K over a series of coincidences? I've been planetside for a long time, and I've not had a chance to really catch up with what's going on in the 'Khan, but if my word's worth anything to anyone, I find it highly doubtful that the 'Khan are actively working with pirates. I would also doubt the U'K has anything other than a KOS policy towards pirates in Providence, just like it does throughout the rest of the galaxy. Mind you, if it turns out I'm wholly wrong about U'K's standpoint with regards pirates in Providence, you may rest assured that I will post as much here. I really can't stand duplicity on anyone's part.
Azrael Callidor	Posted - 2005.10.26 14:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Mactire Originally by: Azrael Callidor "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;) If you fight alongside Pirates, it makes you a Pirate. I think you missed the point. It's all about perspective. Terrorists and Freedom Fighters, Pirates and Privateers. In both cases its the flipside of a coin - the term used depends on who is saying it. Perhaps it will be easier for you to justify if you consider me a terrorist - think of that as a friendly suggestion. I would never actively fight alongside Pirates, far from it in fact - we actively hunt them in our home territories. A NAP of sorts would be another story though, personally speaking I would have no qualms in leaving pirates in a foreign land alone so we can concentrate on our actual military objectives rather than fend off attacks from parasitic opportunists. Just to clarify though - That is not the perspective of my alliance, they remain KOS to us whilst we are within Providence region Originally by: Mactire Where is your honour? Honour? Do you know the meaning of the word? My honour may as well be shackled in some slave colony, it serves no practical purpose in freeing our people. That said however, you'll actually find that if you meet me in space my "honour" is plain to see for those wishing to see it. --- AC "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;)
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2005.10.26 14:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Makkar ... but if my word's worth anything to anyone, I find it highly doubtful that the 'Khan are actively working with pirates... I second Makkar here. I know the efforts UNITY made to keep the minmatar home regions free of slavers AND pirates alike. CVA does know those efforts too, for sure, as pirates do. Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner, the man in an ogre space suit
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2005.10.26 14:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino We dont fight alongside pirates. lets see how long that lasts Khaldorn, you all couldn't even keep to your own ROE, how is the EVE Pod community to expect you to keep to other points of honor? or have you kicked out Wings of Maak? maybe I am wrong, if so will you also be attacking The Short Bus Squad? http://www.easy-sharing.com/16037/Dolly%20Parton%209%20to%205.mp3.html
Azrael Callidor	Posted - 2005.10.26 14:14:00 - [58] Originally by: Makkar Originally by: Hans Roaming The Huzzah Federation believes in freedom for all and that includes those of neutrals to pass through our space, such a viewpoint does not align itself with denying freedom to those who are enslaved. Might I ask how this view held by the Huzzah Federation allows you to work alongside the CVA, which consists entirely of slavers, and those that support the practice of slavery? Because Makkar, they are clearly complicit in enforcing their own values. Perhaps they follow a policy of out of sight, out of mind? --- AC "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;)
Azrael Callidor	Posted - 2005.10.26 14:20:00 - [59] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Originally by: Khaldorn Murino We dont fight alongside pirates. lets see how long that lasts Khaldorn, you all couldn't even keep to your own ROE, how is the EVE Pod community to expect you to keep to other points of honor? or have you kicked out Wings of Maak? maybe I am wrong, if so will you also be attacking The Short Bus Squad? What ROE? Our ROE is hold no mercy, do what it takes. [[OOC: Tomohawk, you should know by now that this is an IC forum, leave your OOC smack out of it? Just a suggestion. ]] As for TSBS, they are not our primary targets. That doesnt mean they won't be secondary or opportunity targets by any means. Perhaps the next person who accuses collaboration with pirates can actually post some evidence rather than speculate? And no "They haven't killed each other yet" is hardly convincing "evidence." --- AC "I'm no terrorist! I'm a freedom fighter!" ;)
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.10.26 14:20:00 - [60] Ok let me restate what I wrote above regarding our relationship with CVA. "The CVA is our neighbour in Providence and control the space that we need to pass through to get to Empire which being in a 0.0 region without NPC or PC stations is a necessity. CVA also share our free space for all and anti piracy stance so naturally we are going to work very closely with them in military matters in terms of defence of the region, this specifically does not include their war with UNITY. We do not consider ourselves part of the Amarr empire and do work to further it's aims as our alliance is it's own entity and we are of multi ethnic composition." If I was attacking Huzzah along with another organisation and CVA declared on my partner who else would I get involved in the conflict with me. Guess what, it would be Ushra'Khan, now maybe I'd contact the leadership direct or maybe via an alt or third party, it wouldn't be too hard to get them invlolved I feel due to their hatred for the CVA and also for a lot of people the end justifies the means and I'd help the leadership hide this collusion from their members by not flying in mixed fleets but then I wouldn't send my forces to engage these targets of oppertunity either. So congratulations to our enemies for having you help them as even though you might not fly in mixed fleets your actions benefit the pirate cause and thiers yours especially when it comes to the timing and deployment of your fleets, coincidence time after time, I don't think so. So it's TSBS + The Priory + Ushra'Khan vs Huzzah + CVA, just say it how it is and be done with it and remember "What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole word, and lose his own soul?". Outreach Executive Huzzah Foreign Affairs Anti Pirate? Tired of sec hits? Join us for free wars!

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