Star Fraction never really claimed to care about baseliners.

...This is satire, correct? I don't mean to be rude - I'm genuinely uncertain.

Hello immortal pilots

Is this the bit where you finally confess to your plans to implant people, to "prevent them from being violent" ?

Saede Riordan > Which is better though?
Saede Riordan > A police for that controls people trough intimidation and threats of physical violence.
Saede Riordan > Or a society where everyone is simply implanted to follow the rules happily?
Saede Riordan > At the end of the day, they are happy, thats difficult to argue with.
Saede Riordan > Why does choice matter? If they are happy, they are happy.

Saede Riordan > The current plan in regards to children is to offer them the choice to be implanted as everyone else once they are old enough, to fully understand the choice.
Saede Riordan > If they refuse, they will be given a second option to be entered into the military and have their harmful desires directed towards those who would harm the nation.
Saede Riordan > And if they do not accept that choice either, they will be given a ticket to a destination of their chosing in the cluster at large, along with a notice to the location they are departing that they may be violent.
Saede Riordan > The choice to harm others is not a choice anyone should be entrusted to.

Saede Riordan > It is all entirely optional, no one is forced to do anything, they are simply required to take certain steps if they wish to exist within the society. Should they not wish to abide the requirements, they are welcome to leave.
Saede Riordan > How is it any different then the sort of indoctrination that any nation performs?
Saede Riordan > All they would feel pressured to do is not harm others, I see that as a perfectly acceptable application of pressure.
Saede Riordan > The slippery slope arguement is a fallacy.
Saede Riordan > It would not be optional if they refused to take the implants Synthia. If they decided to take the implants, they would be welcome to return.
Saede Riordan > Someone could leave and come back should they decide the ways Inside are better.
Saede Riordan > That would not be an option.
Saede Riordan > The military would be implanted Ms. Kernher, just in a different way.
Saede Riordan > Geariven: the implants in this case serve in the case of the police force.

Nation 2.0, now with more implants! hehehehe.

Alexylva Paradox has always embraced a position that cares for the people of the cluster.

Oh gods, you've become the new Star Fraction.

DUTY's assistance in our war zone is a mark of honor. Allies support one another. It is one war.

It is actions like ALXVP's--creating unnecessary conflict--that is going to escalate the fighting.

Oh, my dear friends.
You could've just asked us to reconsider our deployment.
I'm sure we could've declined much more politely without exchanging blaster fire.

Also I find the notion utterly audacious that a sorry existance such as Yatamii is trying to lecture us about what it means to be caldari. Maybe he's smarter once this nuisance is dealt with.

As concerned and proactive citizens of the cluster, Alexylva Paradox seeks to speak out and resist the status quo that jeopardizes the well-being of the baseliners living under the rule of the known-space powers that be.

Firstly, Alex y Lva Paradocs, used to have a pilot named Halete amongst their number.
Secondly, pilot Halete left Alecsilver paraducks under less than ideal circumstances.
Thirdly, pilot Halete has since joined none other than Pyre Falcon Defence Combine. What a coincidence.
Now, as a former Alyxillver Paradocks pilot, Halete will come under some suspicion in this war, from Pyre Falcon members, due to her employment history.
This makes her position less than ideal, and will place pilot Halete under some stress.
And Pilot Halete has a history of turning a bit violent when under stress.

Stuffs and bits.

This is going to be one of the few posts that I do not layer with sarcasm and innuendo. As I am currently the only member of the Paradox Directorate from the State, I feel this declaration is best made by me.

Caldari hold honor, duty, and patriotism in high regard. In the defense of heiian, a Caldari individual can righteously correct past wrongs and secure a promising future for themselves and their own. They may, on the other hand, also bring upon themselves and others great misfortune and jeopardy. Pyre Falcon Defence Combine has, knowingly or not, set themselves on the latter path and so must be stopped. By participating in the Minmatar-Amarr theatre [DUTY] has overstepped the bounds of realistic neccesity; DUTY neglects domestic turmoils within the State in favor of honoring ties with Amarrian allies, and in turn have opened the possibility of a second great wave of wasteful death and destruction by involving themselves in an ancient, external conflict older than the State itself. With the goal of minimizing the escalation of the Empyrean Wars in the known cluster and reducing the overall impact they have on its people, Alexylva Paradox hereby declares war on Pyre Falcon Defence Combine in hopes of dissuading further involvement in the Minmatar-Amarr warzone on their part.

Shiroh Yatamii
Technical Coordinator, Alexylva Paradox


Published on 05/27/YC115 under authorization of Systems Coordinator
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W-what?

W-what?

Pyre can take care of their own, as they always have. I don't see why this warranted a thread.

Please, come and dissuade us, as we have involved in the minmatar war before and killed many slaver ships and made billions doing so. Or is it only a crime when Caldari are making copious amounts of ISK from it?

We eagerly await your insignificant war declaration.

The Federation wasn't on the verge of civil war at the time, was it? That's what amazes me most about Pyre. They'd rather sit in the Amarr-Minmatar warzone than defend their home from the Gallente Militia or deal with Heth's lunacy. Don't they claim to be Patriots?

The Federation wasn't on the verge of civil war at the time, was it? That's what amazes me most about Pyre. They'd rather sit in the Amarr-Minmatar warzone than defend their home from the Gallente Militia or deal with Heth's lunacy. Don't they claim to be Patriots?

Questions born of ignorance. We have taken up our role where we have as a first line of defense against your less scrupulous compatriots. Don't you dare accuse us of shying away from our duty. Like Ms Riordan, If you want us removed, come and have a go.

The Caldari/Gallente warzone is often invaded by hordes of Minmatar flying small, fast ships with warp stabilizers, who try to take complexes without risk to themselves. Taking Minmatar territory forces them to stay where they belong.

And I've already taken down one of your pilots. The rest of you only seem interested in hiding away in stations, though, whenever I go hunting.

Entirely too much discussion.

How goes the violence?

A Pyre destroyer lost at the hands of a Alexya cruiser last I checked. Not entirely the dramatic invasion some thought.

That is a touch disappointing, but I believe this is the first time Alexya has been in a war. One should make allowances for these things.

And I've already taken down one of your pilots. The rest of you only seem interested in hiding away in stations, though, whenever I go hunting.

Well this explains all the questions about Pyre. And the hostility at my refusal.

I'm sure that's quite worthwhile to do while they let the Gallente militia overrun your territory. Frankly, I think Pyre is simply afraid of the Gallente militia. They only have the courage to show themselves at all (which is very little, really) in our warzone because they have the Amarr there to help them try to outnumber us.

live-fire training operations

And now the Star Fraction/Kimotoro Directive parallel is utterly perfect.

And now the Star Fraction/Kimotoro Directive parallel is utterly perfect.

Not really. Both were competent entities, that's not the same this time around.

I would ask that after the events of tonight that you refrain from such droll posting.

If they are so worthless, then why are you so upset?

Nothing wrong with Practicals.

I assume "competent" in the Coreli Corporation manual is dependant on how many warp core stabilisers you have fitted to your ship.

[...]
Which contrast amusingly with the whole thing about implanting people, to force them to be happy.

Heh.

Saede Riordan > It is all entirely optional, no one is forced to do anything, they are simply required to take certain steps if they wish to exist within the society. Should they not wish to abide the requirements, they are welcome to leave.

You should read as well. She did not say your were forcibly implanting people (though given your statements of support for Sansha's Nation, I'd not be surprised if you were). She merely said that the chips you were using forced those implanted with them to be happy, which is fully in-line with your CEO's statements as posted earlier.

You should read as well. She did not say your were forcibly implanting people (though given your statements of support for Sansha's Nation, I'd not be surprised if you were). She merely said that the chips you were using forced those implanted with them to be happy, which is fully in-line with your CEO's statements as posted earlier.

She edited her post, in order to purposefully misspell my name.

I wonder if she also cries when called on spelling, like Riordan does.

Their strong point isn't following their own corporation rules either. Seems like members could be expelled for "revealing the location of the wormhole in channels where non-blues are present". And yet the directors do that all the time, heh.

What seems to have piqued your curiosity of Saede, Valerie?

This looks like better entertainment than Gutter Press. I await further episodes of hilarity.

Chips we "were using"? Valate's snippet of Saede's conversation is out of context; Saede was discussing the theoretical applications of implants in the area of social engineering. It was an abstract conversation about a topic, rather than a description of anything going on in reality.

That argument works a lot better when you're not declaring war on a Corporation who have a member in their midst who used to belong in your own, who can confirm that exactly the types of control methods being described are being employed by Saede.

Have we, now? If this is the case I ask you to please point out when and where this happened, so that we may correct our behavior in the future. Of course, it is not a difficult thing to track down a static exit, but this becomes much less of an issue when a group knows how to "roll" their static.

Alexylva Paradox Policy Agreement V2.1

By taking an oath of membership within the Alexylva Paradox, the following capsuleer ______________ Agrees to the standard membership policy of the Alexylva Paradox Corporation. Failure to abide these policies will result in removal from the corporation. This document is legally binding within the internal laws and policies of the corporation.

1.0 All standings are to be honoured. This applies to all pilots, organisations, and factions to which standings have been applied.

1.1 First instance of blue on blue violence instigated by a corporation member will result in a verbal warning in chat or on voice.

1.2 Second instance of blue on blue violence instigated by a corporation member will result in an offical written warning by a director.

1.3 Third instance of blue on blue violence instigated by a corporation member will result in the offending member being expelled from the corporation.

2.0 All orders issued by the Directorate are to be followed.

2.1 Repeated instances of refusing to follow orders and disobeying the directorate will result in expellation of the offending member.

2.2 Failure to follow orders given by an FC in fleet will result in imediate removal from the fleet.

2.2.1 If a second instance of chain of command failure occurs the individual will be removed from fleet and written a verbal warning by the FC

2.2.2 After a third instance of failing to follow orders, the individual may be barred from participating in the fleets of that FC.

3.0 Respect is to be given to all members of the corporation and to the corporate body.

3.1 Theft of items or ISK from the corporation will result in immediate explusion.

3.2 Destroying or taking actions which lead to the destruction of another corporation memberGÇÖs ships or assets will result in immediate expulsion. Exclusions to this are GÇÿFog of WarGÇÖ situations such as bomb deployment and smartbomb use in fleet combat

3.3 Badmouthing, namecalling, harassment, bigotry, and discimination within the corporation will be issued one written warning, if the behaviour continues the member will be expelled.

3.4 Scamming other members of the corporation will result in immediate explusion

3.5 Taking actions that harm the corporation will result in immediate explusion.

4.0 The Corporation will maintain an image of professionalism and integrity

4.1 Badmouthing, namecalling, harassment, bigotry or discrimination in any public channel will result in one written warning, if the behaviour continues the member will be expelled.

4.2 Scamming of groups with blue or white standing will result in imediate removal of the offending individual.

4.3 Regardless of the outcome of a battle a modicum of respect is to be afforded enemies in public.

4.3.1 Violation of this will result in a verbal warning.

4.3.2 If the behavior continues the directorate may issue an offical warning that the member is in breach of conduct.

4.3.3 If the behavior continues still, the offending individual may be expelled from the corporation.

5.0 Sensitive information is to be kept internal

5.1 Revealing sensitive information to blues is legal as long as the medium of information exchange is secure.

5.2 The intentional and willful revealing of sensitive information such as the location of the wormhole or starbase to nonblues will result in imediate explusion.

5.2.1 Unintentional release of information will result in a verbal warning and an explaination of which information was revealed that should not have been to the pilot.

5.2.1.1 Unintentional is defined here as; ignorant of the fact that sharing said information violates corporate policy. Repeated instances of ignorance to information sensitivty matters will result in entry into a mandatory re-education program.

5.3 The following is defined as sensitive information

5.3.1 The locations of corporate and blue assets in space, including but not limited to, ships, starbases, or fleets

5.3.2 The locations of corporate and blue strategic locations including but not limited to, wormhole, bookmarks, safespots, and overwatches

5.3.3 Corporate or blue passwords, access codes, permissions, and clearances

5.3.4 Access to intel channels, or information contained therein

6.0 The Directorate may modify this document at any time

6.1 The Directorate is required to post notice of any changes to this document.

I, ______________, avow and afirm that I will abide and agree with the corporate policy terms disclosed above on penalty of explusion. I pledge to protect and uphold the safety, security, and sovereignty of the Alexlyva Paradox, to stand with the members of the Alexylva Paradox against any threats faced, and work to uphold the ethical and moral values of the corporation, with every fibre of my being.

X__________________________________ Date ____________________

The Summit.

Kanaya Laskey > Could I get a direct link to where this system is? Just to see travel time.
Saede Riordan laughs. "Sure."
Saede Riordan > J174317

So, now everyone knows that your wormhole is J174317.

I was right about the comedy.

When the Angel Cartel turned up in Skarkon, it summoned Sadie Riordan from their hidey-hole, to utter such phrases as:

You've gone from eccentric Tribalist to Caldari Patriot and now to Amarrian Faithful in less time than it takes to build some starships.

Just bring it already.

I'm afraid you conflated two items of w-space jargon.

J174317 is a system, not a wormhole. Anyone with proper lookup tools could have found the locus signature of our system by now. The policy refers to exit wormholes.

You people are having a very hard time grasping this concept.

Let me put it to you this way. You know the name of Saede's house, but that does not give you directions to it. One day it could be in Fraire. The next day it could be in Rancer. What they are guarding is the path to their home. Knowing the name of their home tells you very little of strategic value.

You've gone from eccentric Tribalist to Caldari Patriot and now to Amarrian Faithful in less time than it takes to build some starships.

To be honest I don't even know why there is any debate about the location, path or lack thereof to or from said location or any other combination of wormhole related facts.

This war seems to be intended for the FacWar zones PYRE is engaged in, and as such even if full directions were given to said wormhole, I doubt light fleet doctrine would serve us very well against a starbase in a temporarily connected unknown system.

Simply put, intelligence without will to apply it is worthless, and so at least for myself, such musings have no inherent value within the scope of this minor conflict.

While we can certainly reply in kind, the onus is not upon us to do so as we did not pay a fee for the pleasure...

With that defeatist attitude it is, Noboru.

Quite right, I shall immediately endeavour to make up for my failing by providing an effective anti-infrastructure strategy involving only frigates. I strongly advise a good stock of holovids and adderall to see us through the subsequent enacting of such a plan.

Squad of stealth bombers.

Done it a few times. Time-consuming, but it's a pretty light show if nothing else.

And now the Star Fraction/Kimotoro Directive parallel is utterly perfect.

All in all this is a bit of a disappointment.

Just wait a bit, dear. We're preparing some...slightly exotic ships that aren't seen much just for you. Unfortunately even with capsuleer cybernetics, training times are a pain.

Who wants to be on 50 million isk total loses on the aggressor's side before this war is over? Anyone? Eh?

What odds are you running? Minimum stake?

Considering that ALXVP have already lost a 30M cruiser to Desiderya's frigate, you may require to rethink your first groups.

Just wait a bit, dear. We're preparing some...slightly exotic ships that aren't seen much just for you. Unfortunately even with capsuleer cybernetics, training times are a pain.

I'm game. put me down for group 3, five milion.

The funds have been transferred

Considering that ALXVP have already lost a 30M cruiser to Desiderya's frigate, you may require to rethink your first groups.

100 million on the stupid one.

Just wait a bit, dear. We're preparing some...slightly exotic ships that aren't seen much just for you. Unfortunately even with capsuleer cybernetics, training times are a pain.

Merely FYI.
facing your lack of effort,
I try poetry.

Nothing new since the betting started.

If this leads me to the bottle, it sure isn't due to stress.

We will not have any part in blood-sport.

If this is caused by mental instabilities with Saede, do know Streya that we can assist.

Who wants to be on 50 million isk total loses on the aggressor's side before this war is over? Anyone? Eh?

Actually, it humiliates the Federation since if the Federation had been smart enough to say from the beginning that they would extradite after trial (rather than absolutely refuse extradition and insult our courts/judicial system), they'd have prevented any risk of an event like Colelie ever happening. Not that I expect the Federation to recognize this.

It doesn't humiliate us because there was no "You might get him after we conduct our trial" or any such indication, but merely a flat refusal of any extradition accompanied by blatant insults towards the quality of our court system.

This coming from the woman saying the deaths of people during Colelie were justified because they didn't like what the Federation was doing, that the murder of thousands of Amarrian non-combatants and Caldari non-combatants is justified in your war, that there's absolutely NO Gallente personnel on the ships of a nation-less trans-humanist entity, along with the other endless assumptions you make on here with your MINMATAR BEST **** THE REST leaves you about as credible as an Amarrian priest preaching against hedonism in the middle of a dance in an SM club in Dodixie.

Bets over anyway, they surrendered. I need to cash out to the winner.

By the way, my 'offensive' and sickening Gallente bet seems to have saved more lives by ending the war instead of it dragging on. Can you say the same for your endeavors AND include lives NOT of Matar?

Wow, Anslo. Seriously, wow. What the hell drugs are you taking?

First off, I have never said Colelie was justified. I have, in fact, said the exact opposite, that unless the Tribal Council comes out with a damn good reason for Colelie, there is no justification for what happened at Colelie. What you cited in no way calls the events of Colelie justifiable, merely states that they were very much preventable by the Federation not having their head shoved up their own ass.

And where the **** are you getting the idea that I consider the murder of any non-combatants is justified? Where do you get off on making such an accusation, you worthless Gallentean trash?

My endeavors? My endeavors? You know what I spent nearly a year doing before I returned home to join the militia and fulfill a promise I made to my late husband? I roamed the cluster defending everyone, Gallente, Caldari, Matari, and even Amarrians from Sansha's incursions. Now, you really want to keep up your bullshit lies about me considering non-combatants of any race to be justifiable losses in our war? What about your endeavors? You lounge around on a beach all day, whining about what other people are doing and placing bets on people's lives.

And, frankly, Anslo, if this sudden vitriol you direct at me is the result of my turning you down when you asked me out on a date recently, you are the most pathetic little man in the universe.

I know, right? They make a cute couple.

Alright, you didn't say it was justified. And you're right, it was preventable. It was preventable if YOUR people had just cooled heels.

About the same time you accused me of only caring about Gallentean lives you narrow minded, jingoistic, shoot-firs-task-later, hypocrite.

Then stop talking down to the Fed like it's completely their fault and maybe I won't call you out on the **** you say. And what you did in the past doesn't excuse what you say now.Also, come back to me in about 5-ish years when you've caught up with me. Then we can compare historical action.

So you're going to bring out a strawman to rely on downplaying the fact that you're a dangerous, unstable, unwieldy, hypocritical Minmatar? So, because I tried to hit on you, that means I'm completely discredited when bringing up your own short comings, your own vitriol, your own bullshit on the IGS, your own anger, your own venom directed to everyone INCLUDING your supposed allies, and your own baggage?

Oh darn, I am defeated.

Yes, both sides had opportunities to prevent it and neither side took them. Oh look, I can acknowledge blame on both sides rather than only blaming the other person. Grow up.

Keep it up, kid. You're just making yourself look like an ass accusing me of that kind of ****.

I have never once said it is entirely their fault that the event at Colelie happened. However, their behavior in general is their fault, and has been going on since long before Colelie.

You haven't brought up any vitriol from me, nor any shortcomings (though I certainly have some), nor anything of any legitimacy whatsoever. And, if I were what you claim me to be, you'd have been well aware of it before you invited me to your beach and asked me out on a date, so apparently, based on your claims, you wanted to date a "dangerous, unstable, unweildy, hypocritical Minmatar."

This isn't a strawman, hon. This is you blatantly throwing a tantrum because the "hot girl" you wanted to date said no. Go ahead and keep making up your immature bullshit. You're just making yourself look bad

Then why did you focus blame on the Fed and THEN shift your position to CYA?

I don't accuse. I just call what I see.

So you are focusing blame on them. K.

you aren't worth the time to research

Yes it is. You're falling back on the date thing to bring attention away from the fake that your acidic. Not more than me but....still. Also, you're funny. The world doesn't revolve around you, let alone mine. You just happened to be inconveniently placed during a wonderful psychotic breakdown from a bunch of other stuff.

But seriously, don't flatter yourself.

Aw, you guys are gonna have cute kids! GÖÑ

4) You drink way too much Quafe, hon.

So the war ended with a fizzle rather than a bang. The lack of bang between Anslo and Katarina seems to have sparked a conflict about equal to the aforementioned war, though, so it's all good. Just scrap a dessie or something and you guys will have surpassed AXELRIPwhatever in destructive power too.

A bit disappointed in the lack of a good public war. Bloodsport, if you will.

The only appropriate move would be to start a betting pool about when or whether those two will hit it off?

Let's cancel this because feelings would be hurt.
[DUTY] won't take part in hurt feelings.

Never did any such thing. If you actually looked at my post history, you'd see for yourself that I never did even remotely what you're accusing me of.

Even if you do actually see what you're saying, which is rather impossible without you being significantly deluded, you're still making accusations.

Nope, because I don't blame colelie on the Federation, at least not with the current information I have about it. The Federation acted like arrogant idiots throughout it all, but it wasn't there fault that Colelie happened, especially not primarily. That is, unless there's something the Federation did to warrant it that the Tribal Council hasn't revealed yet, but I can't speak to that so long as the Tribal Council keeps quiet.

When I talk about the Fed's behavior in general towards the Republic, I'm talking about why we've grown so disillusioned with the Federation, something you actually agreed with in posts not too long ago, such as when you yourself complained about how the Supreme Court spoke of our tribal courts back when the refusal of extradition was first main known. It is not in reference to the events of Colelie, however. I'm not going to let you use one bad decision on the part of the Federation to hide behind while you try to brush all of the arrogant, asinine behavior of the Federation under the rug.

(1)Mhmm, I've heard such whining before from other men I've turned down. It's hardly anything new, especially among men your age. Well, except for the fact you've taken it to a whole other level with what you've accused me of. I mean, usually they're content to just call me a **** or some other silly thing like that.

(2)But no, you decided to accuse me of approving of wholesale slaughter of non-combatants/civilians when I have spent most of my career as a capsuleer protecting non-coms/civilians, in each of the four empires. In fact, I've spent more time protecting Amarrian and Caldari non-coms/civilians than I have those among my own people, if you want to get exact about it.

(3)As for my task in the militia, I fight to stop the slavers, their allies, and the various pirates around the warzone from preying on more innocent lives, and I neither condone nor willingly allow any of my fellow Matari and allies to commit such crimes.

(4)I'm not capable of stopping it all, not on my own, but I do my part to stop what I can. Yes, I now prioritize helping my own people, but that's in large part due to personal reasons you haven't earned the right to know. And no, it's not because I think Matari are inherently better than everyone else. We have our good traits and our bad traits, just like the Caldari, the Gallente, and even the Amarr.

(5) If I were the person you claim I am, I would simply be out there trying to murder every Amarrian I can find, regardless of what they do or who they are; but that's not what I do.

Shut up. Where you been?

9...pages.... for a cruiser and destroyer.

Too low to really score. We lost a destroyer, they lost a cruiser. They weren't able to suppress our ability to operate in the Minmatar war zone, so it's really a non-issue.

I got everything.

9...pages.... for a cruiser and destroyer.

I can scarcely imagine the torrents of inanity and IGS mouth-frothing overload if this group participated in an extended campaign.

Yes. Clearly you're not biasedorhypocritical.

See above. I can get more if you want. You denounce murder when you take part in it, you detest those who 'break the peace' when you yourselves did it first. I can keep going?

Based on the above posts linked, you seemed to place a whole hell of a lot of blame saying that the Fed could have avoided it if they'd done x or y. Why couldn't the REPUBLIC have avoided it?

Yeah, it was crappy how our Courts talked down to the Republic. Not cool at all. Still doesn't warrant an invasion and skirmish of the magnitude that happened. Instead of waiting, you stated that the Fed could have avoided the bloodshed instead of looking at yourselves and asking why the Republic couldn't avoid it. And yeah, we're arrogant. I agree. I don't like how the Minmatar get treated a lot, especially around parts of Caille. So I'm not brushing anything away. I'm pretty transparent. But I'll still call you out for your own BS. It's not because you're Minmatar though, I don't bother with racial bias.

(1) Doesn't change the fact that it's a strawman. And seriously, you got an ego if you think all my gripes revolve around you. Get over yourself hah.
(2) "Death and war is bad!" Still kills in the name of the Tribes.
(4) I don't care about your personal laundry or reasons. I see what you say, and I call it out. Your motivations don't concern me.

Busy.

The two of you are behaving ridiculously. This is a thread about the ALXVP-Pyre war. It is not a forum for your private spats, nor a forum to discuss Colelie. While it makes a certain mad sense for Musana to insist on debating Colelie here while refusing to debate it in the Colelie thread, it is still unwelcome. This war was neither of your business. Take it elsewhere.

... Could we have set up ... smartbomb camps at stations? ...

No, you couldn't have. Smartbombs will not activate within a 5km proximity of a station, without using pirate modified large smartbombs. They at least have the range to reach. Barely.

Hm... Katarina... a woman knows when another woman is aroused!

GÖÑ

Pardon me, but I find it extremely difficult to give a damn about accusations of 'being a bully'

[followed by a lot of justifications]

keep pointing out the obvious. You've done a swell enough job of it anyway.

Hm... Katarina... a woman knows when another woman is aroused!

Touching on that, yes the initiation of betting really put me off from fighting. This is simply due to private beliefs that are a result of my upbringing and background within my clan

Anyway, the bet's winner is TBD since the losses were at 50m, but no one actually BET on 50m...so uh....I gotta figure out how...this one works.

a grown woman . . . then you sorely need a reality check.

Then why do you care so much ? It does not make any sense.

My dear, you're the one who needs a reality check. You are still just a child, yet you try to speak to your own elders as if you are the elder. Not only is that an excessive level of impudence, but it is also the actions of a "bully," trying to beat people down on an emotional level but talking to them as if you are their elder, as if you are the authority figure.

Human beings have this concept called communication. We use this to present and compare our views. Surely I could keep my peace and be perfectly happy but that would do very little to stem your flamboyant gallivanting and white knighting.

But I suspect you would have had no cause to reply in this manner if you spent as much time studying reading comprehension as you spend being petulant and contrary for the sake of that alone on these boards.

Cease your mewling, pup. Considering that every single conversation I have observed with you in it has inevitably degraded into you playing the age card you forfeit the title of elder. Elders are wise beyond their years, not measured by the number of years they have lived. You on the other hand seem to believe that the act of simply existing for longer than your peers entitles you to some higher measure of respect.

I pray that some day you shall be able to stand up your own merit so that perhaps for once I could listen to you for a full five minutes without you feeling the need to hold your age above the head of your clear superiors.

Anyway, I fail to see how I am "contrary for the sake of that alone" when I am merely giving my opinion on the matter ? Maybe you could tell that to everyone, then ?

You have a severe inferiority complex, Halete. You should see a psychiatrist about it.

And I pray that someday you'll realize just how little you really know and understand and that you should have listened to those with more experience than you.

But, considering how you've turned your back on your people, I guess it's no surprise that you would turn your back on our traditions as well.

I was actually refering to the fact that Streya is older and more experienced than you, something I would've pointed out even if I were a mere 10-year-old. Perhaps if I ask my 19-year-old daughter to explain this to you, you'll listen? Since you seem to think that younger means more experienced and more knowledgeable.

You are an elder to no-one. You demand respect for essentially nothing and have absolutely nothing to offer anybody that you've been willing to show that might earn you the status of elder.

Now hold your tongue. If you are going to act so brattish and entitled then speak as a child does - only with permission.

I demand nothing. I am merely pointing out that you are nothing but an impudent, spoiled brat of a child with a severe inferiority complex who never even learned the most basic of lessons such as respecting your elders and believes she can bully people just by talking down to them.

It's hardly an attempt at dehumanization when you do all of the ground work for me, Lyn. Of course you fail to see it, you seem to fail to understand people as a whole. J

I see we've reached the phase where you begin rehashing your own arguments having run out of constructive points whilst wetting yourself in sheer rage.

The thing is, old crone, I do not validate myself by how much I am hated. My heart swells only with compassion for my fellow Minmatar, can you say the same?

This is why I shall continue to bring my fellow man into His light.

Whilst you shall continue to fill these forums with your hatred, devoid of any tactile ability or wit.

Tell me, girl, do you not just feel a sliver of futility when you constantly call your peers children whilst doing the GalNet equivalent of screaming incomprehensibly at anybody who disagrees with you? Do you not feel just somewhat daft when you blame people like me for the violence innate in the Republic when you yourself embody that spirit of anger and intolerance?

Now go nap. You're grumpy.

Like I said, dear, I have nothing but pity for you, which is why you can't let this go. Why you can't stop ranting, raving, and trying futilely to condescend towards me.

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Also, hon, if you think I blame you for the violence anywhere, you really do have an overly inflated sense of self-importance. You aren't even the cause of the violence between ALXVP and Pyre. You're just a little girl crying and flailing about for attention. I wouldn't be surprised if you cried yourself to sleep when you realized that the wardec wasn't about you.

That argument works a lot better when you're not declaring war on a Corporation who have a member in their midst who used to belong in your own, who can confirm that exactly the types of control methods being described are being employed by Saede.

Japes, boasting and bullies on one side, and people ready to declare war and put lives at stake but unable to cope with outsiders that will start to bid on the death they will cause.

The Response was: Saede Riordan > The Halete is a lying ***** who decided to smear my name through the dirt after she got bored of the (censored).

That's really interesting.

Now I do not Understand Anything in This Thread.