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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:54:00 -
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Can anyone recommend a good graphics card capable of running 4 x clients at max with good rates? Does such a thing exist? I've got a Radeon 6770 at the moment and I have to dial all the clients down for performance, which makes it look sooooo 2003.
Eve looks so goddamed gorgeous with max quality.
(Also mods, please move this to the correct forum if this is the wrong one) |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:59:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Can anyone recommend a good graphics card capable of running 4 x clients at max with good rates? Does such a thing exist? I've got a Radeon 6770 at the moment and I have to dial all the clients down for performance, which makes it look sooooo 2003.
Eve looks so goddamed gorgeous with max quality.
(Also mods, please move this to the correct forum if this is the wrong one) A Radeon 7970 should do the trick, and a crossfired (2x) 7970 if you want to do max settings in addition to the upcoming 4x texture resolution update.
Have fun! |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:03:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Can anyone recommend a good graphics card capable of running 4 x clients at max with good rates? Does such a thing exist? I've got a Radeon 6770 at the moment and I have to dial all the clients down for performance, which makes it look sooooo 2003.
Eve looks so goddamed gorgeous with max quality.
(Also mods, please move this to the correct forum if this is the wrong one) A Radeon 7970 should do the trick, and a crossfired (2x) 7970 if you want to do max settings in addition to the upcoming 4x texture resolution update. Have fun!
I heard driver support for x-fire with Radeons is rubbish and that NVIDIA do the two card thing a lot better? |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:29:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Can anyone recommend a good graphics card capable of running 4 x clients at max with good rates? Does such a thing exist? I've got a Radeon 6770 at the moment and I have to dial all the clients down for performance, which makes it look sooooo 2003.
Eve looks so goddamed gorgeous with max quality.
(Also mods, please move this to the correct forum if this is the wrong one) A Radeon 7970 should do the trick, and a crossfired (2x) 7970 if you want to do max settings in addition to the upcoming 4x texture resolution update. Have fun! I heard driver support for x-fire with Radeons is rubbish and that NVIDIA do the two card thing a lot better?
Crossfire for Radeon actually works great for most people, but of course, YMMV.
For NVIDIA, look into the Titan series of graphics cards. The upcoming GTX 780 offers performance like a GTX Titan with an affordable price, so look into the GTX 780. Maybe even get two if you have enough money - it will futureproof your EVE for years, not to mention other games and programs.
EDIT: AnandTech posted a great, in-depth review of the GTX 780 - I would seriously consider this card. Wish I had it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Smegnet Corp
4353
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:57:00 -
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GeForce GTX 660 Ti Not that expensive and I can run well over 4 at max with no issue. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:40:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:GeForce GTX 660 Ti Not that expensive and I can run well over 4 at max with no issue. This is not a bad card at all, but it might encounter some difficulty when the new texture packs come out. If you plan to use max + 4x texture pack + 4 monitors, or if you simply don't want to change your card for the next couple of years, the GTX 780 should work fine. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1446
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:41:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:GeForce GTX 660 Ti Not that expensive and I can run well over 4 at max with no issue.
I'm running one of these. Only 3 clients from it, but that's because I only have the three screens hanging off it (A fourth tempts me, but I know it's a bad idea) Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
388
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:01:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Can anyone recommend a good graphics card capable of running 4 x clients at max with good rates? Does such a thing exist? I've got a Radeon 6770 at the moment and I have to dial all the clients down for performance, which makes it look sooooo 2003.
Eve looks so goddamed gorgeous with max quality.
(Also mods, please move this to the correct forum if this is the wrong one) A Radeon 7970 should do the trick, and a crossfired (2x) 7970 if you want to do max settings in addition to the upcoming 4x texture resolution update. Have fun! I heard driver support for x-fire with Radeons is rubbish and that NVIDIA do the two card thing a lot better?
I've owned 2 7970's in Crossfire for over a year now roughly and they are SUPERB cards. The 7XX series of Nvidia's cards are just rebadged 6XX series just as ATI's 8000 Series are the 7000 series with some slight tweaks. There is no new architecture in the series for either manufacturer.
Granted the driver support for ATI is slower yet now the drivers show a 7970 outperforming a 680 with the newest beta drivers. It all depends upon what you want.
My 7970's never get above 55 Celsius (60 running Furmark) and have excellent power efficiency and cooling. There's a reason why 7970's are out of stock simply because they are a great buy with excellent performance.
Nab a couple and you'll be very pleased. I have no intention of upgrading until ATI releases an actual architecture redesign. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1859
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Posted - 2013.05.27 04:12:00 -
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I have a EVGA Nvidia GTX 690, which is actually two GPUs linked on one card.
Lag on session changes (like undock) is an issue the last time I tried 4 clients with max settings. Haven't tried in quite a few patches though. I don't normally use max settings with multiple clients. Currently max shader is broken on EVE with Nvidia cards, which is the first problem I've ever had with a Nvidia card, but downgrading to the previous driver fixes it.
http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/pdp/lineup.png |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
410
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Posted - 2013.05.27 04:35:00 -
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A 7850 will double your performance (which is probably enough to max 4 clients), and a 7950 will triple it (which is certainly enough to max 4 clients). You absolutely don't need a $1000 card or multi-gpu to max out 4 clients.
On the Nvidia side, a 660ti is equivalent to a 7950, and their lower end cards (660 vanilla and down) are bad value currently. |
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bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
55
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Posted - 2013.05.27 04:53:00 -
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Extreme Gaming at 146 FPS with AMD CrossFire and Triple Display http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQW2WyWSoUk |
Barlkin
Zoidburg Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.05.27 05:33:00 -
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I dunno what the issues are with NVIDIA cards as my gtx660 isn't having any and I run 5 clients all maxxed with no issues. Helps running eve on a SSD and 32gb ram. But it works flawlessly for me. spreadsheets make me hot... |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:07:00 -
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mechtech wrote:A 7850 will double your performance (which is probably enough to max 4 clients), and a 7950 will triple it (which is certainly enough to max 4 clients). You absolutely don't need a $1000 card or multi-gpu to max out 4 clients.
On the Nvidia side, a 660ti is equivalent to a 7950, and their lower end cards (660 vanilla and down) are bad value currently.
Really? A 7950 will be enough? Note I'm running at 1920 x 1080. Resolution will make a difference won't it.
I see the price of these is variable, i.e. this one is -ú360 whereas this one is only -ú202 .
Hmmmmm.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:22:00 -
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OK, I went for the 7970, at -ú360. Got it home. It's a monster of a card. Needs 2 x8 power connectors. Only just fits in the case.
I'm running 4 clients at the moment, all 4 optimised for quality. ALL of them running ~60Hz. So problem solved. Left a bit of a hole in my bank balance though. |
Othran
Route One
506
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:34:00 -
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NVidia PhysX is supported in Eve, nothing similar on AMD side is supported.
Depends on how much you like space barbies I guess
IME NVidia has less problems with Eve than AMD. That's just for Eve though, do think what else you play before coughing up cash. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:31:00 -
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Othran wrote:NVidia PhysX is supported in Eve, nothing similar on AMD side is supported. Depends on how much you like space barbies I guess IME NVidia has less problems with Eve than AMD. That's just for Eve though, do think what else you play before coughing up cash.
They're all compute shader capable. Developers taking bribes from NVIDIA to use PhysX might have made sense in the past, but today it's nonsense with open standards like OpenCL and Direct Compute. |
Void WaIker
Rubella Solaris I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:38:00 -
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Hold on...4x texture update? Thought this was still unannounced |
Othran
Route One
507
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:43:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Othran wrote:NVidia PhysX is supported in Eve, nothing similar on AMD side is supported. Depends on how much you like space barbies I guess IME NVidia has less problems with Eve than AMD. That's just for Eve though, do think what else you play before coughing up cash. They're all compute shader capable. Developers taking bribes from NVIDIA to use PhysX might have made sense in the past, but today it's nonsense with open standards like OpenCL and Direct Compute.
Yes but that's the way Eve works - PhysX or nothing. I'm also sure that CCP has benefited from NVidia's "embedded developer" scheme as was.
So basically if Eve is your main game then Nvidia should be your choice of card. Personally I'd spec an AMD card for a gaming machine but that may be my bias due to NVidia and "bumps"
For Eve however NVidia has provided (or Eve devs have made sure) a more consistent experience in Eve. Yes there have (and are) some bugs but in general when I see a "xxx has turned into white blobs" post I can be fairly confident that its an AMD user - or Intel i5/i7 user who has the problem.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
762
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:39:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:GeForce GTX 660 Ti Not that expensive and I can run well over 4 at max with no issue. This is not a bad card at all, but it might encounter some difficulty when the new texture packs come out. If you plan to use max + 4x texture pack + 4 monitors, or if you simply don't want to change your card for the next couple of years, the GTX 780 should work fine.
This, any mid range nVidia card will provide your the performances you're looking for, if you really want top settings and several screens SLI works pretty good too.
Installing new driver is never an issue, rolling back is easy as cake, the moment you use WHQL certified drivers you will have little to no problems at all and using beta ones (later version still in work or polishing) is working fine for me.
You can take a look at nVidia official GC card manufacturers to get the one that might suit you a bit better, Gigabyte for instance can deliver the same graphics chipset with +50 to 200% DDR latest versions/excellent quality and a pre OC safely, they also provide you OC softs based on Guru3D (best OC bench ever) and better controls over your GC's.
Little thing thou but important: make sure your power supply can handle all your max power needs to run all your hardware stressed at 100% (even if this might never happen) and add +20% for safety (heat/durability) It's not uncommon to find 850 to 1500W power supply stuff on gaming PC's and there's a reason for this. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Daveion Steel
6thsense Corp Broken Chains Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:22:00 -
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I could use a little advice here as well, just now about to buy Windows 7 64bit as an upgrade from XP. My graphics budget is around -ú200, -ú250 at a push my system is an AMD Mobo so I prefer to stay with ATI graphics.
I cannot help looking at Crossfireing two of these..
http://www.dabs.com/products/sapphire-technology-amd-radeon-7770-hd-1100mhz-1gb-pci-express-3-0-hdmi-vapor-x-oc-ghz-edition-87Q1.html?refs=486450000&src=3
I generally run two Monitors and duel box (alt-tab) upto four accounts when carebearing, two accounts normally. |
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
494
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Posted - 2013.05.29 20:41:00 -
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Everyone's needs in Eve are different; depending what you do, your requirements may vary from a pocket calculator to a top end gaming rig.
A few things about Vram and multi-GPU setups, however.
1) Do you play Fullscreen or Fixed Window?
SLI (the Nvidia version of multi-GPU) evolves through different profiles, as does Crossfire (the ATI Version). However, traditionally Alternate Frame Rendering ('AFR' - the method of multi-GPU used by both manufacturers in Eve) is better optimised for Fullscreen than for Fixed window. For example, let's have a look at the GPU load in two scenarios:
Fullscreen / Max Details / Vsync off ('Interval Immediate):
Geforce Titan #1 @1.1Ghz = 87% load Geforce Titan #2 @1.1Ghz = 87% load
The framerate at this random moment is around 670fps (obviously depends on scene) and both cards are loaded equally, which is how things should be in SLI. Both Titans are running their full (overclocked) clockspeed. The reason the cards are not on 99% load is that the CPU can't keep up supplying them with frames to render flat out (two titans can someitmes cpu bottleneck even a 3960X @ close to 5ghz).
Now let's switch to Fixed window:
Fixed Window / Max Details / Vsync off ('Interval Immediate):
Geforce Titan #1 @1.1Ghz = 63% load Geforce Titan #2 @1.1Ghz = 99% load
Both cards retain their 'full' clockspeed (sometimes in the past SLI has downclocked one card using fixed window) but the GPU load is no longer evenly split, which drops the fps by nearly 200 frames a second to around 490fps (admittedly still very high).
What conclusion can you draw from this example? SLI works but if you're a multiboxer, you're likely to be using Fixed Window a lot, where SLI, although working, is not perfectly optimised. Different cards in the range will vary and different drivers will too. But it's usually better to buy the best card you can afford and then add a second if and when you can, rather than to rely on multi-GPU drivers.
Which brings us to the next point, Video Ram.
2) What's the deal with Video Ram and Eve?
The more clients you have open, whether fullscreen or fixed window, the more video ram you will use. High settings will considerably inflate the amount required. As a ballpark figure, a max settings client can easily use 1gb of video ram @1080p.
Higher resolutions (or the use of tools like Nvidia Inspector to force more extreme modes of anti-aliasing) will vastly increase the amount of video ram required.
A shot like this at 4K resolution (3840x2160) uses around 2.5Gb of video ram. The most I've peaked at with 4K resolution is 3.7Gb of video ram (a Titan has 6gb video ram; a 780 has 3gb, which would be bottlenecked by this).
What happens if you exceed the video ram you have? Nothing as dramatic as you think - you'll see 'hitching' and stuttering but the card(s) will try and cache the memory and swap it in and out between clients. The more you go over the video ram, the more pronounced the effect becomes.
On multi gpu setups the Framebuffer is copied. Three 6Gb titans do not mean 18Gb of video ram - the game clients can still only use 6gb. This is another reason why a single fast card with more video ram will be better than two midrange cards with less.
I have to get back to game but if there is a demand for it, I can probably sometime make a guide of different top end video cards and their respective performance in fleet combat, along with internal benchmarks we have for loading grid fast on triage setups (regarding ram, cpu, ssd, etc.).
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Gwenywell Shumuku
49
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Posted - 2013.05.29 20:43:00 -
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crossfire/sli is more of a hassle and not worth it. they run hot, loud, and need profiles for games. if you are not into that kind of stuff, dont do it. (btw, dont go 1gb crossfire/sli, you need more gram, at least 2gb / card).
get a highend or mid/high range card and be done with it, more then enough power for 4x eve. take a version with 2gb+ ram if possible. |
Toxin Nostromo
Next Era Dawn
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:00:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:GeForce GTX 660 Ti Not that expensive and I can run well over 4 at max with no issue.
I have an older one, GTX 560 Ti. I do the same, no issues.
I hate ATI with a passion. Two reasons. 1. I've owned a total of 3 ATI cards. All three went defective within the first 6 months. I have never, ever had a Nvida fail on me.
2. ATI eyefinity cards, at least at the time, not sure if they changed it. Did not note you need to spend $100USD+ for each adapter not included to hook up a monitor for the claimed support of 8 monitor card.. No documentation anywhere. I'm sure that's not the case now as I promptly returned it with a few choice words and went crawling back to NVidia. Ati "Here's your card that can support 8 monitors, *cough* after you spend over 800 bucks on adapters just for this card and this card only you just bought from us.." I don't think so. Nice try ATI I see what you did there. |
General Stewie
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
5
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:40:00 -
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just buy 4 GTX 780s SLI and you're all set!
because nvidia is better than ati. |
Daveion Steel
6thsense Corp Broken Chains Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:51:00 -
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Toxin Nostromo wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:GeForce GTX 660 Ti Not that expensive and I can run well over 4 at max with no issue. I have an older one, GTX 560 Ti. I do the same, no issues. I hate ATI with a passion. Two reasons. 1. I've owned a total of 3 ATI cards. All three went defective within the first 6 months. I have never, ever had a Nvida fail on me. 2. ATI eyefinity cards, at least at the time, not sure if they changed it. Did not note you need to spend $100USD+ for each adapter not included to hook up a monitor for the claimed support of 8 monitor card.. No documentation anywhere. I'm sure that's not the case now as I promptly returned it with a few choice words and went crawling back to NVidia. Ati "Here's your card that can support 8 monitors, *cough* after you spend over 800 bucks on adapters just for this card and this card only you just bought from us.." I don't think so. Nice try ATI I see what you did there.
And my Milage is almost the exact opposite, never had an ATI card turn bad, But I do always buy sapphire, worth every penny of the extra few quid spent imo.
Point #2, no comment as I have no previous experiance trying that.
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TheButcherPete
The James Gang SpaceMonkey's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:59:00 -
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lol it's not that the GTX680 is a bad card. It's that most of the particles in EVE are hideously inefficient and kill resources Bzzt.
GÖÑ Punkturis GÖÑ ElQuirko is my son |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:34:00 -
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My experience with the 7970 is that it's LOUD, VERY LOUD, when it's loaded. Also, one of the clients crashed yesterday. Discovered my drivers were quite out of date (Windows Update FTL), updated them and all has been well since. The only reason I didn't go for an NVIDIA is because in this performance bracket, the equivalent NVIDIA was -ú50 more.
Apart from debugging shader nonsense, which none of you care about, I've never had any trouble with ATI cards. |
Korah Arnelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.30 19:54:00 -
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General Stewie wrote:just buy 4 GTX 780s SLI and you're all set!
because nvidia is better than ati.
Or you could get one good card and never bother with tweaking SLI and/or CFX? And probably get an SSD too, Samsung 840s are a real beauty. :) |
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