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Octonetwork
Deep Discovery Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:52:00 -
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Hello there fellow wh dweller.
My corporation and I are beginning our WH life and we trying to find a nice way to bookmark anoms so that every mate can easily find what they can do in our hole and statics. When you only have your home and your statics it s pretty easy, but when we go deeper it s getting chaotic in the corporation's bk.
Here is what we actually do with our C2 static C2,LS.
For the sake of convenience I won't print the numbers of anom (ex : AZE-232) but know that we note them before EVERY sites.
/c2_home/state-sig1-type-name /c2_home/state-sig2-type-name /c2_home/...... /c2_home/c2a /c2_home/c2a/state-sig1-type-name /c2_home/c2a/state-sig2-type-name
let s imagine our static has a C4 static it then goes :
/c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig1-type-name /c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name /c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name
Possible states of an anom : W : warped - a scout has warp to the site to start the spawn of rats P : popped- rats are in the sites C : cleared - rats are cleared from the site S : salvaged - rats has been salvage
As we go deeper we create new folders to easily find our way home.
I'm turning to you to see if you have found a proven technic and can share it or comment our. |

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
92
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Posted - 2013.05.27 12:07:00 -
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Octonetwork wrote:Hello there fellow wh dweller. My corporation and I are beginning our WH life and we trying to find a nice way to bookmark anoms so that every mate can easily find what they can do in our hole and statics. When you only have your home and your statics it s pretty easy, but when we go deeper it s getting chaotic in the corporation's bk. Here is what we actually do with our C2 static C2,LS. For the sake of convenience I won't print the numbers of anom (ex : AZE-232) but know that we note them before EVERY sites. /c2_home/state-sig1-type-name /c2_home/state-sig2-type-name /c2_home/...... /c2_home/c2a /c2_home/c2a/state-sig1-type-name /c2_home/c2a/state-sig2-type-name let s imagine our static has a C4 static it then goes : /c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig1-type-name /c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name /c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name Possible states of an anom : W : warped - a scout has warp to the site to start the spawn of rats P : popped- rats are in the sites C : cleared - rats are cleared from the site S : salvaged - rats has been salvage As we go deeper we create new folders to easily find our way home. I'm turning to you to see if you have found a proven technic and can share it  or comment our.
I want to share, but...
You are basically done with three folders: wormholes / sites / warp-in Obviously you can delete the whole wormhole folder whenever you fold your home, same for sites. Warp-in can well be split into different stuff like assets, hostile assets, salvage, safes etc. For the naming convention of wormholes, I suggest you just name them similiar to c2a, c2b and so on, mark the wormhole towards your home system with a dot in front and you're mostly done. So give every wormhole a unique identifier and draw youself a map (pen&paper if necessary) So wormholes (this case you sit inside c2a, so the first c2 in the outgoing chain from your wormhole, as example) - .c2a GåÆ home c4a lowsec A
and so on. I believe mostly anyone should be able to find all the things necessary. Increase the index as you find more systems of the same class :)
Hope that helps, afaik wormhole corps tend to organize their wormholes like that or similiar, with some corps taking cryptic letters for confusion issues (like calling chains R1, T1 etc., not necessary unless you got multiple wormholes)
regards |

Tinna Benuse
Abyss Jumpers DeathIaw.
2
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Posted - 2013.05.27 12:43:00 -
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Take a look on siggy: http://siggy.borkedlabs.com/pages/welcome Have a "Guide" option on the top too :)
This tool helps you with the map and unique names for WHs. About folders I agree with Octonetwork.
In the end your corp probable will have a self mechanic with names and some step-by-step. |

Octonetwork
Deep Discovery Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.05.27 12:50:00 -
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Tinna Benuse wrote:Take a look on siggy: http://siggy.borkedlabs.com/pages/welcomeHave a "Guide" option on the top too :) This tool helps you with the map and unique names for WHs. About folders I agree with Octonetwork. In the end your corp probable will have a self mechanic with names and some step-by-step.
Thank you both for your comments.
I heard of siggy but i m a bit greedy to spend ISK on such tools :) |

lanyaie
863
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Posted - 2013.05.27 13:02:00 -
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Octonetwork wrote:Tinna Benuse wrote:Take a look on siggy: http://siggy.borkedlabs.com/pages/welcomeHave a "Guide" option on the top too :) This tool helps you with the map and unique names for WHs. About folders I agree with Octonetwork. In the end your corp probable will have a self mechanic with names and some step-by-step. Thank you both for your comments. I heard of siggy but i m a bit greedy to spend ISK on such tools :)
There is currently a program out by markin something...google it, basically it is in alpha but if you got a few people that can code, it's open source so you can modify it a bit to your liking Hay |

Dgram Loop
Dutch Squad Novus Dominatum
12
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Posted - 2013.05.27 13:09:00 -
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If you want to host and develop a mapping tool yourself then this one is really good, and I believe its the one lanyaie is referring to: W-Space Alpha
They also set up a site with the alpha version that can be used. I'm not sure about the lifetime of that site though so check with them before getting too attached to it. |

Octonetwork
Deep Discovery Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:06:00 -
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There are a few developers among ourselve, maybe we ll give it a try, thanks for the adresse. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1385
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:26:00 -
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Ouch, you make my brain hurt.
Living deep in a C4 our chains can get quite extensive, yet we basically use just 3 folders
Home sigs Home anoms Chains
Everything related to our home system goes there. Everything else goes in chains.
First we only use the letter portion of a sig name. It keeps it shorter and the letters are all unique, so the 3 numbers are redundant.
For wormholes we match them up.
So for example, if our home static is:
VCX x877 2300 (sig id, WH designation, time activated).
When we reach the other side we bookmark the other side:
(VCX) k162 J??????
If you sort your sigs by distance, the sigs in the current system always show on top. So even if our "chains" folder has lots of locations, the current system sigs are always at the top.
We also map these using wormhole space. It is free and you can host it yourself if you want.
http://wh-space.wiadvice.com
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Britta Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:42:00 -
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Why not just use corp borkmarks? Yes, 250 is very limiting but still. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1385
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:51:00 -
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Britta Nolen wrote:Why not just use corp borkmarks? Yes, 250 is very limiting but still.
Where did anyone say they weren't using corp bookmarks? |

Octonetwork
Deep Discovery Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:57:00 -
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This seems nice :) gonna try it.
Seems there is no perfect way to setup bk, only the one that suits your corp. |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1513
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Posted - 2013.05.27 15:07:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote: First we only use the letter portion of a sig name. It keeps it shorter and the letters are all unique, so the 3 numbers are redundant.
Just on that point, i've had the letters cycle back in a day, and have the same letters, with different numbers. Was a bit confusing at first, thought i had marked it down wrong. I had something like RFU-349 at DT, then RFU-256 12 hours later. It's only happened the once, but i'm sure it is possible.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1386
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Posted - 2013.05.27 15:21:00 -
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Octonetwork wrote:This seems nice :) gonna try it. Seems there is no perfect way to setup bk, only the one that suits your corp.
Yes it has to work for the corp in question. I tried to keep it as simple as possible while relaying the most key information. More complicated bogs people down and they don't want to bother as much. |

unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Transmission Lost
36
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Posted - 2013.05.27 19:55:00 -
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Keep It Simple! Easiest way for everyone, including the scanner is using a mapping tool and naming your wormholes : examples:
where you are-> where it goes
Home>C5a and the other side C5a>home C5a>C5b ...
If you have an extra chain add numbers : Home>C5.1 C3.1>c3.2...
It is the mapping tools that helps you to know where to go, there you also set what the hole name is right now, like c5a, c3c,.. . Adding a dot to the way back also helps.
Best is not to use the j-number it is just to long to type. Before the corp bm's and before ducks we had this system: J111111>j222222 H296 (crit at 25:00 Eve time) It takes to long to type and it isn't easy to maintain this type of naming in long scanning sessions. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1893
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Posted - 2013.05.27 22:29:00 -
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So much effort. Assuming you have some sort of mapping tool (which you should), all you need to do is name the BM with what class WH youre in and what class WH it goes to. If it's heading back in towards your home, add a 'In' on the end for easy pickup.
If you have 2+ WHs that go to the same class from 1 system, add the last 3 numbers of the j sig to the BM name.
EG set of BMs: Home > C6 C6 > C5 C6 > C3 C6 > Home In C5 > C5 C5 > C6 In C3 > NS C3 > C6 In C5 > C5 (123) C5 > C5 (456) C5 > C5 In ect...
TBH, you dont really need the first half of those names anyway.
Personally I dont BM any non WH sigs, outside of home, but if you do, all you need is the site name with a number on the end for multiples. |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
180
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Posted - 2013.05.27 22:57:00 -
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Octonetwork wrote:Hello there fellow wh dweller. As we go deeper we create new folders to easily find our way home. I'm turning to you to see if you have found a proven technic and can share it  or comment our.
Well... I'll tell you what works for us.
First of all, the easy part.
When we jump out of our WH, then the Exit back into our WH is called
Wormhole >> Home
Moreover, the deeper you go down the rabbit hole, each exit back in the direction of home is called "Wormhole >> Home" as you jump through.
So every exit in the direction of home is marked like this--including entrances from K space--so you don't have to worry about where you are.... just follow the in space bookmarks to "Wormhole >> Home" and like following a trail of breadcrums, that's where you always end up.
Exits to K space are marked as follows
XXXX >> (Lowsec) XXXX >> (Highsec) XXXX >> (Nullsec)
The XXXX is the name of the exit, like U210, K162, or whatever. In our case we don't usually care WHERE it comes out, just what kind of exit it has.
Exits from one wormhole into another WH are marked like
XXXX >> (Class - static)
So for example, a K162 into a C4 with a C3 static is called
K162 >> (C4-C3)
If there is more than one K162 into a neighbouring wormhole then they are just marked
K162a >> (class-static) K162b >> (class-static)
and so forth.
if a wormhole has a more than one static then one of them will be a static to K space so that's the one that gets marked. The fact that it has more than one static is indicated as follows
K162 >> (C3-Lowsec*)
The * meaning that it has more than one static.
We don't make maps anymore. With this simple notation we can find our way around just fine.
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Chester Floyd
Balkan Xpress Talocan United
18
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Posted - 2013.05.28 13:07:00 -
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Octonetwork wrote:
I heard of siggy but i m a bit greedy to spend ISK on such tools :)
For mill a pop, you're one cheap SOB. :) |

Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
115
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:03:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:First we only use the letter portion of a sig name. It keeps it shorter and the letters are all unique, so the 3 numbers are redundant. Uh, what? No...sigs that were in a system at DT will have the same 3 letters. |

DrBmN
Axial tilt
10
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Posted - 2013.05.28 21:41:00 -
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We name the bookmarks after the wh number:
for example:
N766 to B274, 28 May
Or
N766 to D382 to B274, 28 may
and so on...
Using IDs for bookmarking is not handy becouse of downtime reset, once you figure out this system its preety easy to navigate. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1388
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:53:00 -
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DrBmN wrote:Using IDs for bookmarking is not handy becouse of downtime reset, once you figure out this system its preety easy to navigate.
Now see this is where i feel the opposite. Having the sig ID's makes it easier to keep track of new and existing bookmarks.
After downtime I just scan the existing bookmarks and update their sig to match the new ones.
That way if new sigs appear during the day, it becomes easy to know which ones have already been scanned.
Say there is one WH after downtime. A few hours later another corpie comes in and sees a new sig. By comparing the ID's in the locations list he knows already which have been scanned and which are new. If yet more sigs spawn later in the day you can keep track of which have been taken care of.
Otherwise each person who comes in after someone else has to go through the task of re-verifying which sigs have been scanned and which are new.
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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
175
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Posted - 2013.05.29 01:49:00 -
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www.eveeye.com
should have exactly the functionality you want, plus it gets you system metrics (minus jumps, obviously). It does cost a little bit of ISK. 50m/corp IIRC, but that's a drop in the bucket for Wspacers
and btw, according to this page:
http://wh-space.wiadvice.com/About.aspx
that project is discontinued as of 2 years ago. |

Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
9
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:36:00 -
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We're only having 4 folders. Home sites, Static/external sites, wh's and tacticals. All is mentioned on a spread sheet to those who has access on which is providing the mapping, exits, sigs, distances, corp/residents, etc. Usefull for them not having a special tool like siggy or other and it works
Just keep it all simple and use a general naming convention!
WH Cx->Cx sig ID Lx/Gx/Rx/Mx are tags to signatures.
Then it's up to you to either bookmark it all or to drop probes when something is not in a anom. |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
182
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:27:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:DrBmN wrote:Using IDs for bookmarking is not handy becouse of downtime reset, once you figure out this system its preety easy to navigate. Now see this is where i feel the opposite. Having the sig ID's makes it easier to keep track of new and existing bookmarks.
Actually there are two sort of general rules that we use for finding the new exit quickly.
First is that the exit from our WH into the neighbours is always a sig-size 10. So just scan the whole system and throw away all the mag and radar sites (size 5) and you're left with a shorter list to scan.
Having a well skilled alt with a proper probing ship and some implants will allow you to resolve all the size 10 sigs at 4 au, so you should be able to scan an average wormhole in a couple of minutes. In fact, I would say on a good day you can scan the exit down faster then double checking which sigs are on your list and making a list of new ones. Some days, MUCH faster.
Second rule of thumb is that new spawns usually have different second and third letters of the sig name as compared to sigs that have been there a while. So if your exit has disappeared and you need to find the new one quickly then
1) throw away all the size 5 sigs, as i said,
and then
2) check the sig names of what's left. you'll see a list that looks like
AUX1234 FUX1234 GUX1234 HAB1234 QUX1234 ZUX1234
The one HAB with different 2nd and 3rd letters is USUALLY your new exit. Scan it first and you'll find that 9 times out of 10 you don't have to scan anything else.
Using those two simple guidelines and a good prober I can usualy find the static exit in literally a couple of minutes. After Odyssey it will only get easier with being able to launch all probes at once and having some preset patterns.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1390
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:02:00 -
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A couple of thoughts for you. I'm assuming you are responding to my "like to have sig id in bookmark name".
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Actually there are two sort of general rules that we use for finding the new exit quickly.
First is that the exit from our WH into the neighbours is always a sig-size 10. So just scan the whole system and throw away all the mag and radar sites (size 5) and you're left with a shorter list to scan.
Having a well skilled alt with a proper probing ship and some implants will allow you to resolve all the size 10 sigs at 4 au, so you should be able to scan an average wormhole in a couple of minutes. In fact, I would say on a good day you can scan the exit down faster then double checking which sigs are on your list and making a list of new ones. Some days, MUCH faster.
Yes of course that method can help, if you happen to live in a WH lucky enough to have its static in a special band. There are many statics (B274 U210 off the top of my head) that are in the same band as K162 and many ladar sites. So while you can still filter out some sigs, it is not nearly as efficient.
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Second rule of thumb is that new spawns usually have different second and third letters of the sig name as compared to sigs that have been there a while. So if your exit has disappeared and you need to find the new one quickly then
1) throw away all the size 5 sigs, as i said,
and then
2) check the sig names of what's left. you'll see a list that looks like
AUX1234 FUX1234 GUX1234 HAB1234 QUX1234 ZUX1234
The one HAB with different 2nd and 3rd letters is USUALLY your new exit. Scan it first and you'll find that 9 times out of 10 you don't have to scan anything else.
Again, that may work for one new sig. But I've experienced a number of new sigs appearing throughout the day. And we have people coming in and out throughout the day. So say there are 5 new sigs when I log in. Without the sig ID in the bookmarks I don't know which of those bookmarks may correspond to a new sig until I at least put probes over them to verify.
Heck even with only one new sig, like what you show above. If someone already scanned HAB and bookmarked it, but you don't put HAB in the bookmark name, how do you know if that is the new HAB wormhole exit or the previous one without actually verifying with probes?
With our naming, I can at a glance see from my scan there are 5 new sigs, and that someone already scanned and bookmarked each one. My job is done.
Tinu Moorhsum wrote: Using those two simple guidelines and a good prober I can usualy find the static exit in literally a couple of minutes. After Odyssey it will only get easier with being able to launch all probes at once and having some preset patterns.
Sure, but the point I was making is that by simply adding the 3 letter part of the ID I can easily verify that the exit has already been scanned which lets me find the exit even faster.
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Transmission Lost
36
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:21:00 -
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It is a bad idea to use sig names in your bookmarks, after DT the sig changes, after an emergency downtime also. Besides it doesn't say where it goes or came from. |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
189
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:34:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:...snip... [several critical points....}
Derath, I would agree that what I proposed isn't bullet-proof. it's not intended to be. But on the whole it *does* save time. That was the point.
You're right to point out that it won't work in every context... but the principles are worth putting out there.... in fact, I feel I should have charged for the service :) |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1399
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:57:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:It is a bad idea to use sig names in your bookmarks, after DT the sig changes, after an emergency downtime also. Besides it doesn't say where it goes or came from.
Like its bad to not put the sig ID in as part of the bookmark name?
If you put the location as Home > C5 and I come in 6 hours after you, do a scan and see a bunch of new sigs, how do I ever match up the sigs I see with the locations already saved?
I could warp to each one to verify it is still there. But thats tedious and a waste of time.
I could pop probes and do a 1au scan on top of each bookmartk. But that's tedious and a waste of time.
Or I could put GUA Home > C5 as the bookmark, and then bam there is GUA in my scan results, right click ignore, move on.
emergency or regular downtime? Fine, then I do a quick 1AU scan on the bookmarks, edit, update 3 letter ID.
Its only 3 letters, so it doesn't increase the location name by much. And if it helps my corpmates coming online after me to not have to rescan sigs to verify what they are, I'm happy to oblige. |

Massey Don
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
29
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:21:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote: If you put the location as Home > C5 and I come in 6 hours after you, do a scan and see a bunch of new sigs, how do I ever match up the sigs I see with the locations already saved?
I know others have said this, but... siggy. If not that tool, another. Don't try to put too much smarts in book marks. If you're not space rich enough to afford Siggy given the time and effort it saves, then you're probably doing WHs wrong. |

Bloody Wench
565
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:26:00 -
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Frankly the best advice is RUN YOUR SITES, and despawn the ones you don't want. It's very quick and easy to scan many pre-bookmarked sigs. Periodically go through the BM Folders and delete anything a week or older that's WH related. Be sure not to delete your Null Gate +200kms safe BMs
However if you MUST sit on sites, my naming convention goes such.
L DATE as a prefix to any Ladars, you just press the home key and put in the L and date, takes 2 seconds. R DATE as a prefix to any Radars etc etc. EG: R 21/06 Forgotten Relic Something
Sorts the BM menu by type basically
C2/3/4/5/6 OUT C1-3 INC C4-5 INC EOL suffix if it's nearly dead EG: C4-5 INC EOL CRIT suffix if it's .... crit
A01 A02 A03 A04 etc for BMs inside the Anom Put a space before A and it will move it closer to the top of the list.
I warp cloaked and BM a structure prior to running them, and will normally run in batches of 6+ These don't exist until I'm about to run them.
For neighbouring systems NULL OUT (or INC if that's the case) LO OUT HI OUT C2/3/4/5/6 BACK C2/3/4/5/6 OUT C2/3/4/5/6 OUT #2 |

Bloody Wench
565
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:39:00 -
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Move your Safes/Tact BMs to the top of the R/Click menu by adding a space or 2 or 3 to the front of the name.
Using space on the forums isnt working well replace - with spaces
|----My POS |---Scan Here |--Scan Here alt |--Scan Here alt #2 |-200 Over POS |-Etc etc etc | Regular BMs 'n stuff |zBMs you always want at the bottom for whatever reason. |

chris elliot
EG CORP Mass Overload
191
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:10:00 -
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Man I just read this for the second time and felt suddenly very spoiled and lazy. I just follow siggy to whatever hole I want. Once I am there I decided "huh, I wish to go to the tribute exit aka Null B".
Right click in space
"hey whataya know a bookmark called "Null B(Tribute)" ".... And my thought process ends there as I hop out happily and go roaming or trolling. |

Rammix
TheMurk
76
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Posted - 2013.06.23 19:23:00 -
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6-5 5-4 4-3 etc. No need to use letters.
If your paths tend be long and to branch, the following scheme can be used: create folders 0-n (usually 7 are more than enough) for levels of range. 0 is home system. class.range(number if there are similar looking bms) st/162. If static is not activated, you can add "NA" in the end.
For example, by folders: 0: 6-5.1 st 6-6.1 162 1: 6-6.0 5-6.0 162 5-2.2 st 5-2.2(2) Rndm 2: 2-5.1 2(2)-5.1 2-high.3 st 3: high-2.2 162
Full route to highsec will look like "6-5.1-2.2-high.3", or just "6-5-2-high".
Number (like in 2(2)) should be used not only if there is similar connection in the same branch, but even if there are similar bookmark names in other branches - to make reading the whole path easy from anywhere.
In your home system there can be folders like "activated signatures", "anomalies" etc. To tell things apart they can be named like "Number (type) [additional optional notes] Name".
Also can be a good idea to use google spreadsheet to count your ship masses that pass through your static. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 |

Rammix
TheMurk
76
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Posted - 2013.06.23 19:25:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:I just follow siggy to whatever hole I want. My paranoia doesn't let me show my current paths to strangers. Even if that strangers are just online service providers. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 |

unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Transmission Lost
38
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Posted - 2013.06.24 10:54:00 -
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Then use the free one ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210073 ) on a server you set up, or make a google doc with the same functionality. |

chris elliot
EG CORP Mass Overload
193
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:44:00 -
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Rammix wrote:chris elliot wrote:I just follow siggy to whatever hole I want. My paranoia doesn't let me show my current paths to strangers. Even if that strangers are just online service providers.
Yeah bro, no offense but using your method with multiple chains looking like this every day would make me commit suicide. |
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