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Justice Bringer	Posted - 2005.10.27 15:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Spatial PIMP P.S: I hope CCP will read this and will make HACs pilots happy in near future Please post whatever u think about this... Thanks, I will post what I think. This sucks!!!! I'm sure most HAS pilots are quite happy right now, even though prices and waiting times are very high. Partly market forces, partly CCP not releasing enough BPC, partly not enough tech II components for the ship builders to produce each ship, partly etc etc etc.... That can be balanced against the time it takes you to train the required skills for any of these lovely ships. Place your order and sit back and train your skills for a few months and then when your skills are ready, so too will your HAS of choice. Alternatively there are some being sold at market rates on escrow, so do a few kill missions to earn your money and buy one, like I did. Interesting to find out what benefit an Ishtar with an extra turret would have over a reduced drone bay size, when it is a dedicated drone ship. Methinks you didn't think this one through carefully enough and if you want to slap drone ships, then you'll have to start at the top with the Dominix. Just don't even go there!!! None of these changes are required nor are they necessary. Just train your skills like everyone else, then come and join the HAS party. Justice
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.10.27 15:18:00 - [32] waaaay waaaaaaaaay overpowered IMO, especially if you are reducing their price :S Killing the rich and giving to me
mimik	Posted - 2005.10.27 15:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Spatial PIMP After i trained all hac's skills i see alot of advantages and disadvantages on many of them.I have some ideeas to make them all equal and maybe we will find them all at same price (Ishtar/Deimos/Zealot 60-80 mil?) My imagination is verry rich but i hope my ideeas will like and all HACS will be equal and cheaper. rather than make HACS equal u have just basically suggested making them all more powerful than they currently are. as far as this making them cheaper, they are already very much in demand so why do u think that making them better will make them cheaper. if u boost their performance people will actually be prepared to pay more for them. u have a strange view of equal and cheaper.
Justice Bringer	Posted - 2005.10.27 15:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Spatial PIMP ..... HACs should be better than one cruiser and a batllecruiser but more weak than a BS? I think now any HAC can kill a BS but Cerberus/Eagle and Sacrilege don't.. Dude, you are seriously misguided. Where does it say that hte measure of any ship is whether or not it can destroy a Battleship??? The fact that an Enyo can do it and a Jaguar cannot doesn't therefore mean the Jaguar needs to be boosted. And I'm quite sure there are very skillful Jag pilots out htere that CAN defeat BS. All HAS are role specific and the devs at CCP have laboured long and hard for a number of years before releasing these ships into the game. You come along with a couple of penny farthings and an Aladin's lamp and think 'Oh I have a Great Idea'. Seriously dude, just train your skills and enjoy whatever ships you have now. If you're fortunate to own 1 of each HAS, which i seriously doubt, then you'd be in a position to educate us all on the merits and deficiencies of all of these ships. Alas it seems you not only have neither the experience, nor do you own one yet. Be careful dude or you'll get dizzy from all these randomn thoughts you're having. Justice
franny	Posted - 2005.10.27 16:01:00 - [35] seeing as I am 12 days 5ish hrs away from Gall Cruiser 5, about the only thing I want for my Ishtar more cpu 25 more base CPU(300, same as the vexor)
gsdfrer	Posted - 2005.10.27 17:03:00 - [36] More grid on Munin than a Deimos? rofl
Baun	Posted - 2005.10.27 17:19:00 - [37] Pretty bad HAC change ideas. The Cerberus will fall into line when heavy missles are buffed a bit and heavy rockets are added. The Sacrilege is in need of a major overhaul with the turret related bonuses being replaced by nosferatu increases. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Gort	Posted - 2005.10.27 19:52:00 - [38] I don't think the changes suggested by the original poster are necessary. I also think the prices are fine. The ships are less or equal to a tier 2 BS in price, and they are more fun, take higher skills and are way more highly prized in the game. If you want a HAC and want the cost/availability to be the same as a BS or cruiser, well I don't agree with that. I think the ships should be special, not loitering at every gate. Just my 0.02 isk. Regards, Gort Makeup artist for the dead
Hampstah	Posted - 2005.10.27 20:52:00 - [39] Thankfully these changes won't go past this post. ----- Beware Rodentz with Gunz
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.10.27 21:41:00 - [40] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 27/10/2005 21:43:13 Now tell me, why in the world you need to make Vagabond an armor tank when its perfectly can go as shield one? Minmatar arent armor tankers like Amarr, they can go either either depending on their slot layout and base armor/shield hp amount. So why make both Minmatar HACs armor tanks? And why make Muninn same as Vagabond? They both serve completly different roles as Muninn is mostly well rouded fleet/gang ship when fitted with arties. I mean why make it 6-4-6 and bring it into same line as Vagabond? About Zealot, now imagine a Zealot with its actual DPS, also having drones, and also having big cap? Overpowered isnt it? Seriosly mate, suggestions are well explained, but its not good. You propose to make all HACs basicly look same with drone-bay on almost each one and have them having almost same slot-layouts. What makes this game great is variate of ships and their abilites. Not making all ships handle the same. edit: typos -=-
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.10.27 21:43:00 - [41] Thanks, i needed a good laugh... Oh ***, you were serious?*
Sadist	Posted - 2005.10.28 01:23:00 - [42] Deimos needs a PG boost, so it's setups are viable without an RCU. I dont care how much you boost other HAC's, just give deimos more than the eagle ffs, at least 950... It's an armor tanker, geez. And mwd is another PG hungry mod. --------------- VIP member of the [23] Sadist - harsh to the idiots, kind to the smart
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.28 01:30:00 - [43] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/10/2005 01:30:35 All Hacs should get 6 more mids, 27 more highs, and 13 more lows, as well as a 50% damage and RoF bonus, as well as a 600% boost to resists. And lower the build costs by approximately 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.999999999999999999999999999999%. Cosmic Fusion KB
Farjung	Posted - 2005.10.28 02:40:00 - [44] Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/10/2005 01:30:35 All Hacs should get 6 more mids, 27 more highs, and 13 more lows, as well as a 50% damage and RoF bonus, as well as a 600% boost to resists. And lower the build costs by approximately 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.999999999999999999999999999999%. Randay's rubbed off on you. Interpret that how you will ¼____¼
Meridius	Posted - 2005.10.28 02:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/10/2005 01:30:35 All Hacs should get 6 more mids, 27 more highs, and 13 more lows, as well as a 50% damage and RoF bonus, as well as a 600% boost to resists. And lower the build costs by approximately 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.999999999999999999999999999999%. Randay's rubbed off on you. Interpret that how you will ¼____¼ I think it's like Agent Smith and Neo, Randay pwned drunk and now they are connected - just in a more homosexual way. ________________________________________________________

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