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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 10:58:00 -
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I joined about 11:50 (ten mins before downtime).
I didn't see a "shutdown now" message.
Did anyone else?
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Callas
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Orcus
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:00:00 -
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They shut down 5 minutes early today.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:01:00 -
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Callas - yes, there was a shutdown message.
Yes, they shut down 5 minutes early - FFS, what's the score with that? Does someone need to learn how to tell the time again?
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:01:00 -
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lol, the cretins.
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:02:00 -
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I noticed that! stole an entire 5 minutes away :( sneaky!
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Callas on 05/08/2003 11:11:12
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Callas - yes, there was a shutdown message.
A final "going down now" message?
I saw the "one hour to go", and I was not logged in for the "15 minutes" message.
I saw no "going down now" message.
The reason I'm asking is that I was waiting to place a buy order immediately before downtime.
Since downtime came without warning, I had not placed the buy order.
I'm likely to be out another 6.2m profit.
CCP appear amateurish at times.
When you say the server is going down and then up at given times, it is *BAD PRACTISE* to use different times - early or late - because people will actually expect the times you have given them to be correct and will base other activities upon them.
Late times can be unavoidable of course, if there are problems or bugs, as sometimes happens when patches are applied.
But early is unforgiveable, because it is not necessary in any way.
CCP have taken as we know to restarting the server early over the last two weeks or so. I lost quite a lot of money because of that, on the day it first started.
If there was no "going down now" message I will be very annoyed, because it's been a normal part of shutdown behaviour since day one and it is expected and people base actions upon it. Sloppy behaviour on the part of CCP shafts players who are placing buy orders prior to downtime and it's *totally unnecessary*.
I'm sure a few people - perhaps even CCP - will mention "it's just a game". This is true. It is a game, and I spend hours playing it and expect to reap the rewards of my effort inside that game. I do not expect the time I put into playing the game to be carelessly thrown away by the needless actions of others.
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Callas
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:08:00 -
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CCP is right on time.
Y'know when you approach lightspeed you'll get an effect called "time dilation".
This causes your clock to skew from the real time CCP has. Really, the downtimes always start exactly at 11 GMT and last exactly 1 hour!!!
*snicker*
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Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:10:00 -
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CCP is right on time.
Y'know when you approach lightspeed you'll get an effect called "time dilation".
This causes your clock to skew from the real time CCP has. Really, the downtimes always start exactly at 11 GMT and last exactly 1 hour!!!
*snicker*
Good one!
-- Mandos
Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter
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Psyco Groupie
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:11:00 -
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just log off 10 minutes before, dumbass 
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:12:00 -
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Why do you have to place your buy order in the last 30 seconds? Are the last ten minutes not good enough? I am sure there is a reason - just curious here.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:16:00 -
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Put very simply : the last person to place an order gets it filled first. It's one of the many exploitable "features" of the market.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:18:00 -
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Prolly because he found out that market offer are based on Last In-First Out queue.
Imho that's foolish, good to see that it doesn't work every time.
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Nightwing
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:19:00 -
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Put very simply : the last person to place an order gets it filled first. It's one of the many exploitable "features" of the market.
So, you are mad you didn't get to exploit?
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:19:00 -
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LOL... makes sense... if you apply a very weird logic.
What *****s me up is that Callas, who complained about the buy orders loudly, seems to have mastered the art of using them best now. The irony of these boards is unbeatable sometimes :)
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:20:00 -
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Put very simply : the last person to place an order gets it filled first. It's one of the many exploitable "features" of the market.
So, you are mad you didn't get to exploit?
Me? I don't do trading mate...
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Callas on 05/08/2003 11:23:46
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Why do you have to place your buy order in the last 30 seconds? Are the last ten minutes not good enough? I am sure there is a reason - just curious here.
It appears that the last buy order placed before reset is processed first.
Plenty of people are competing to place buy orders.
It's vital to be as late as possible in placing your order, or other people will get their orders in after you and pre-empt you.
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Callas
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XeQtR
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:22:00 -
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Y'know when you approach lightspeed you'll get an effect called "time dilation".
And when you concider our warp-speed is about 1000 times the speed of light it's easy to understand why things get messed up. 
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:23:00 -
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So, you are mad you didn't get to exploit?
Indeed I am.
If you care to read other posts from me, you'll know that I'm also mad that I have to exploit, or I make zero money (as has happened today).
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Callas
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:32:00 -
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I really pity you pathetic people.
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:36:00 -
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I really pity you pathetic people.
It's sad you want to try and hurt others by saying so in such a way.
If we are pathethic, then it blights our lives and we have much to do to become normal. Does this justify your harshness? of course not.
I think really it's not pity, but insecurity and a desire to find others to hold in contempt.
You should consider your own issues, not those of others.
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Callas
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:36:00 -
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Go mine Uranus.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:39:00 -
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Go mine Uranus.
This reminds me of a Alien Sex Fiend song...
Drive my Rocket up Uranus, baby.
Drive my rocket ship, just a little...further...baby.
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GALAGA
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:39:00 -
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Yes, there was the 15 minute warning message and also the last message Callas.
I managed to get in in time to get your extra 6.2 million robotics profit :P
And I doubt that the great Callas lost any money, unless you bought high and sold low.
You just werent able to satisfy your greed as you wanted in profit is all.
Thank you CCP for the opportunity to make some profit from Callas's mistake. lol
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:47:00 -
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It's sad you want to try and hurt others by saying so in such a way.
If we are pathethic, then it blights our lives and we have much to do to become normal. Does this justify your harshness? of course not.
I think really it's not pity, but insecurity and a desire to find others to hold in contempt.
You should consider your own issues, not those of others.
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Callas
Really, I pity you that you all have to resort to using a exploit in the system just to make some game money. And then you're here to complain about how you can't do the exploit because CCP is late or early with taking the server offline, that is just pathetic.
My issues are of a reallife nature and therefor I won't state them here, but you all know that your account's are elegible for BANNING, right ?
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Quiz
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:56:00 -
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The early downtime didnt give me enough time to retrieve my ammo from a can near a planet. So i guess i have to go the 12 jumps to the nearest station just to get more ammo. Bah.
A day without getting ****ed at CCP in this game would be nice.
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Gone2mars
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:06:00 -
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Quiz - Get some Lasers mate ;)
"Beer - Helping White Guys Dance Since 1842" |
Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:14:00 -
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Yes, there was the 15 minute warning message and also the last message Callas.
That final message then was over seven minutes prior to the ending of the game.
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And I doubt that the great Callas lost any money, unless you bought high and sold low.
As discussed recently in the "*Angry*" thread, certain income which is not obtained is a loss.
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You just werent able to satisfy your greed as you wanted in profit is all.
Curious. Greed. When does the desire to make money become greed? you want to make money as well, do you not? how come your desire is not greed, but mine is?
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Callas
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Ilyana
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:16:00 -
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So Callas, a day without your profit..maybe others get a chance today. Get over it.
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:17:00 -
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Really, I pity you that you all have to resort to using a exploit in the system just to make some game money.
You would do well to read the "*Angry*" thread.
Right now, there is a choice; mogul or pauper.
If you don't place buy orders, you get *nothing*. It stinks, but that's how it is.
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Callas
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:24:00 -
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So Callas, a day without your profit..maybe others get a chance today. Get over it.
The only other people making money are the other moguls.
My loss is only the gain to a different region-wide buy order. There are many, many people placing region wide buy orders.
Also, I lost my 6.2m yesterday as well due to a different screwed up set of behaviour from the market.
I am growing decidely unimpressed with Eve ATM.
The whole market situation is farcial in the first place, and it's gone on for four months.
CCP have had time and more in which to fix this matter, and they have not. Why not?
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Callas
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Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:26:00 -
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Please don't flame each other, it creates an unpleasant atmosphere and is against the forum rules.
-- Mandos
Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:31:00 -
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Please don't flame each other, it creates an unpleasant atmosphere and is against the forum rules.
A certain body of posters are capable only of posting such replies. This is clear a priori, from their history of posting and from any sort of study of human nature.
Asking for it not to be so is like asking the snow not to melt on a sunny day. You ought to know this, because of your responsibilities.
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Callas
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Ilyana
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ilyana on 05/08/2003 12:38:05
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My loss is only the gain to a different region-wide buy order. There are many, many people placing region wide buy orders.
Yes, and I don't see this changing when demand and supply are periodically re-seeded, as others have suggested. You then get people sitting in a station, refreshing the map all the time to see if demand/supply re-seeded, and it starts all over.
Even worse, you don't need to refresh maps: if there's no supply for a given good in a region, you can just as well put in buy orders all the time and when supply reseeds, it gets bought automatically. It's like having multiple downtimes on a day, a trader's wet dream.
Where's the 'hunt' for a great deal? There isn't any.
I first thought of coupling spikes in demand/supply to local events such as pirate raids, small-scale fighting, famine, disease etc but...I'm not sure if this is a good solution.
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The whole market situation is farcial in the first place, and it's gone on for four months.
On that we agree. Me personally, I can't be bothered trading any longer, especially since I don't have a fat wallet.
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Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:37:00 -
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A certain body of posters are capable only of posting such replies. This is clear a priori, from their history of posting and from any sort of study of human nature.
Asking for it not to be so is like asking the snow not to melt on a sunny day. You ought to know this, because of your responsibilities.
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Callas
Indeed, hence I write such notes to warn the participants of this discussion to act nice or face moderation.
-- Mandos
Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter
EVE Forum rules |
DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:52:00 -
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Indeed, hence I write such notes to warn the participants of this discussion to act nice or face moderation.
Well, my post was not meant to flame or hurt anyone's feelings.
I can just see it happening, all these exploiters going "Oooh, Eve is going down in a few minutes, I better put up a buy order and better place another and another and another... Ah, finally, server down.".
I think some people even set their alarmclocks so they wake up just before downtime and I really think that is pathetic and I pity them for having to resort to such drastic measures that it a) Ruins their gaming experience and b) Probably ruins their normal life as well by being grumpy to mother the wife because they did not get their desired tradegoods and interrupted their sleep for nothing.
And BTW Calas, I did read your "Angry" thread, you didn't agree with my argument, remember ?
But thanks for telling me where I can find some Ectoplasm 
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.05 13:55:00 -
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Callas, you only seem to complain when you lose money. I don't see you complain when someone else missed the boat, and you end up with all their *certain* profit.
And despite all these setbacks, I don't see you stopping trading either, so it can't hurt you that badly, surely?
And there is a difference between greed and 'making money'. The difference is normally shown best when you complain about having 'lost' more money than most of the players make in a week. When really, you haven't lost anything.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:15:00 -
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Callas, you only seem to complain when you lose money. I don't see you complain when someone else missed the boat, and you end up with all their *certain* profit.
And despite all these setbacks, I don't see you stopping trading either, so it can't hurt you that badly, surely?
And there is a difference between greed and 'making money'. The difference is normally shown best when you complain about having 'lost' more money than most of the players make in a week. When really, you haven't lost anything.
The difference between greed and making money is simple:
Greedy people tend to claim losses on money they never earned.
Think about it 
And to answer Callas' original question, yes there was a final downtime message. I happened to be online travelling towards base with new bp originals and pulled over thanks to the warning.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Askari
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Askari on 05/08/2003 14:18:45
LAST IN FIRST OUT !!!!!!
*smacks head on desk*
*smacks head on monitor*
*smacks head on wall*
*smacks head on passing truck*
Now that explains why my sell orders on NPC mineral demand are never met after day one.
LAST IN FIRST OUT !!!!!!
*smacks head on printer*
*smacks head on keyboard*
*smacks head on tree*
*smacks head on passing bus*
Either way - Thanks Callas. At last i know why!
CCP: change this immediatley so all buy and sell orders are completed in the order they are placed.
that would be FIRST IN FIRST OUT, or by date descending. whichever you prefer.
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Urza's Factory
http://www.mikeward.uk.com/urzas
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:19:00 -
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Or randomised
[cackles]
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:54:00 -
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Callas, you only seem to complain when you lose money. I don't see you complain when someone else missed the boat, and you end up with all their *certain* profit.
It's not my responsibility to speak up for others. If someone else has a problem, they should post about it.
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And despite all these setbacks, I don't see you stopping trading either, so it can't hurt you that badly, surely?
Trading is the best way to make money. CCP feck things up every now and then, but why then should I do something which earns only say a half or a third as much?
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And there is a difference between greed and 'making money'. The difference is normally shown best when you complain about having 'lost' more money than most of the players make in a week. When really, you haven't lost anything.
Rubbish.
This is a common misperception among people with a fuzzy knowledge of economics, and your comment about "more money than others make in week" shows your true colours.
Put it this way - you get paid every month, right. Imagine you couldn't get paid because your company ran out of money.
By your arguments, you've lost nothing since you didn't have that money in the first place.
"Ah," you say, "but I put in the *labour* and so I have in fact lost being paid for that."
I would have put in the labour required to earn that money, except I can't due to the very nature of the bug in question. The very *ability* to put that labour in is denied to me.
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:56:00 -
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And to answer Callas' original question, yes there was a final downtime message. I happened to be online travelling towards base with new bp originals and pulled over thanks to the warning.
A "going down NOW" message which is so many minutes prior to actually going down people can join, sit around and wait for the message is bad practise - bad enough to cost me several million ISK.
I'm beginning to think one of the "C"s in "CCP" stands for Cowboys.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Askari on 05/08/2003 14:18:45
LAST IN FIRST OUT !!!!!!
*smacks head on desk*
*smacks head on monitor*
*smacks head on wall*
*smacks head on passing truck*
Now that explains why my sell orders on NPC mineral demand are never met after day one.
LAST IN FIRST OUT !!!!!!
*smacks head on printer*
*smacks head on keyboard*
*smacks head on tree*
*smacks head on passing bus*
Either way - Thanks Callas. At last i know why!
CCP: change this immediatley so all buy and sell orders are completed in the order they are placed.
that would be FIRST IN FIRST OUT, or by date descending. whichever you prefer.
Actually, think about it. If it were first in, first out. I'm sure you've seen people place orders for 1 billion Tritanium. If they were first, i don't think anybody would get any tritanium.
the solution is not as simple as it would seem.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:17:00 -
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And there is a difference between greed and 'making money'. The difference is normally shown best when you complain about having 'lost' more money than most of the players make in a week. When really, you haven't lost anything.
Rubbish.
This is a common misperception among people with a fuzzy knowledge of economics, and your comment about "more money than others make in week" shows your true colours.
Put it this way - you get paid every month, right. Imagine you couldn't get paid because your company ran out of money.
By your arguments, you've lost nothing since you didn't have that money in the first place.
"Ah," you say, "but I put in the *labour* and so I have in fact lost being paid for that."
I would have put in the labour required to earn that money, except I can't due to the very nature of the bug in question. The very *ability* to put that labour in is denied to me.
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Callas
If I was working for a corp that payed my wages, and they turned to me and said 'sorry, you're not getting paid, as we have no money' that would be a breach of contract, as I accepted employment on the basis that I would be paid for it.
You are trading with yourself. You have no contract to fall back on. No formal agreements are in place that to indicate that you are 'entitled' to 6.2 Mil per day. Just your speculation and research, and the fact that you log on at 10:55. But that's no guarantee either.
here's a scenario: I hold you up at a gate, you have a hold full of robotics/whatever. If I forgot to equip a webifier, and I fail to stop you and you get away, does that mean I *lost* 25 million isk? I'd say no, I lost a *chance* of getting 25million isk.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:24:00 -
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Why do you have to place your buy order in the last 30 seconds? Are the last ten minutes not good enough? I am sure there is a reason - just curious here.
Yes because Callas is obsessed with being the one whos buy order gets filled. The way the market works, if all regional buy orders are the same, the last one placed is the one that gets filled first. CCP might as well just give Callas 8 bazillion ISK now, otherwise we will spend the next year hearing every day about all the "profit he probably lost" because his clock is set a few minutes different than CCP's.
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Askari
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Askari on 05/08/2003 15:27:54
Discorporation: your evil. but you make me laugh, so thats ok :)
Lucas De'Thal: Agreed, but not if they used the Escrow system and forced buyers to actually HAVE the money to place those orders.
That is, afterall, what it is supposed to be for.
Alternativley, place an order at a higher price (that has issues too, i prefer the escrow system)
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Urza's Factory
http://www.mikeward.uk.com/urzas
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:38:00 -
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Since you seem so fond of your "knowledge of economics" try this hypothetical situation. Say you are online surfing stock quotes instead of working at your job. Suppose you find a stock that you just KNOW is going to go through the roof and you are minutes away from the next trading window from the company that holds your portfolio. You log in, get your buy order all set up, and right before you can click "submit" your internet connection goes down. Do you sue the internet provider ? I think that were you to do that, you would have a very difficult time proving that you had any "guaranteed income" from that commodity you were about to buy.
That is essentially the case here. Trade goods in EVE are commodities. As in any other commodities market, there are no guarantees. You get the closest thing there is to a guarantee because you have no life and can arrange to be online just before and after downtimes every day, thereby taking advantage of an inherent flaw in the EVE market system (predictability). I find it entertaining that you complain simply because CCP artificially introduced an element into the market that should have been in all along (unpredictability).
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:24:00 -
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Callas, exactly the same thing happened to me today... (I knew l shouldn't have gone to the toilet) came back and the server had gone down early.
Funnily enough l didn't really care.
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:24:00 -
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That's ok Callass I'm sure you were logged in the second the servers came up ready to play 'Place the buy order last' again.
For the poster of last in first out... it only works on buy orders, sell orders seemingly still go first in first out.
And for special added attraction, my past posts saying you only need to drop your sell price to beat out a higher sell order was slightly astray.
This works if a player is looking to buy but for NPC demand, you can offer to sell "X" for 1 isk but if the NPC buy order is for 10 isk that order will sell and your 1 isk each sell order will sit forever.
Another wonderful security blanket for the people that place sell orders for the next downtime.
Here's hoping that many more people learn to play the 'Place the buy order last game' so we can look forward to future posts by Callass on how he is being singled out and greifed and since he can no longer make his easy money the system must change. Afterall if HE can't have it his way NOBODY should.
Spin it up in anyway you want you've known the system all along while claiming you only react to experiences as of late. Your own posts reveal this. One only needs to put them all together.
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 18:12:00 -
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Yes because Callas is obsessed with being the one whos buy order gets filled.
Rubbish.
I'm ****ed because the game is screwing me over - again. Two days in a row. I do care about making money, and that's why this *is* an issue, but there is a world of difference between being obsessed with the buy order *itself* and being angry with the *game*.
However, you are interested in portraying me as unreasonable, so this differention is one that you will find to be invalid in my case.
To make the point however, I will say that I made 5.22m today via other means, in about three hours. The difference between a skilled trader and a poor trader is that the skilled trader knows the next best routes to fall back on, and those which are not yet well know, and keeps up with the changes the devs make in trade good prices; the poor trader, if his primary commodity fails in some way, is stuck for the day.
So, why should I be obsessed as you allege with the buy order when I can perfectly well make money in other ways?
I'm confident you'll find a reason, sadly.
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The way the market works, if all regional buy orders are the same, the last one placed is the one that gets filled first. CCP might as well just give Callas 8 bazillion ISK now, otherwise we will spend the next year hearing every day about all the "profit he probably lost" because his clock is set a few minutes different than CCP's.
I was logged in at 11:50. I set my clock via an NTP server. I would hope Eve does the same.
The "going down NOW" message must have been given at least seven minutes prior to the end of the game; that's too long, for reasons outlined elsewhere in this thread.
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Callas
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Anderi Bourdieu
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Posted - 2003.08.05 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Anderi Bourdieu on 05/08/2003 19:12:39
For god's sake, isn't there a corp out there with enough disposable isk to put a bounty on Callas' head?
I'm tearing my hair out listening to this kid!
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Are Formal Contracts in yet?
Divisional Wallets?
Taxes?
BP lockdown? |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:01:00 -
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tbh I sympathise with Callas on this issue - though I don't trade myself.
It really is a case of "Can't beat them, join them".
The game needs fixing, until then no one here can be annoyed when someone else works out and takes advantage of teh game mechanics.
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:09:00 -
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For god's sake, isn't there a corp out there with enough desposable isk to put a bounty on Callas' head?
I'm tearing my hair out listening to this kid!
Not quite mastered the art of *not* reading stuff, eh?
*roll*
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Callas
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:25:00 -
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Wow Calas, I must have really ****ed you off with my remark earlier, huh ?
I just want to say thanks.
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Askari
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Posted - 2003.08.06 08:45:00 -
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maybe CCP are doing it on purpose to stop all these buy orders.
*shrugs*
Im not that bothered, im at work through down time, so miss most of the opportunities anyway.
By the time i log on, all the market has gone to ****, all the spawn containers are empty and all the decent pirate areas are camped by other players.
*shrugs*
I, however, learn to live with it. Maybe you should be thankful for being in a time zone where you can take advantage of that rather than ****ed about not getting everything all the time.
I understand where you are coming from, and even partially agree, downtime is downtime, but i dont recall you coming on here ONCE and stating the last in first out rule to be deemed unfair to other players. NOT ONCE. Maybe im wrong and you have mentioned it, if so i apologise and you can ignore the rest of this post.
If you haven't then you have zero sympathy, cause you wanted it all your way at the cost of others. any advantage eh!
If you had swallowed the loss and waited a day, instead of coming on here and shouting about the loss of 6 piddly million, then no-one would be any the wiser.
As it stands now, you can bet a gaggillion ISK that I, (and i garuntee others) will do everything they can to get these buy orders sorted so they are fair for everyone, and in the long run that is going to cost you a lot more than 6 mil.
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Urza's Factory
http://www.mikeward.uk.com/urzas
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StarWolfer
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Posted - 2003.08.06 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: StarWolfer on 06/08/2003 09:34:32
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For god's sake, isn't there a corp out there with enough disposable isk to put a bounty on Callas' head?
I'm tearing my hair out listening to this kid!
Yup. It looks like his life depends on that 7 minutes.. Am I glad, I don't have any stress about such things 
Hmm, maybe CCP should set a negative effect for people that whine TOO much at forums. Like a minus 2 million ISK if you make more then 3 whining posts a week. That'll teach 'em
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.08.06 09:56:00 -
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CCP should take down the servers at random times around 11:00 each day without notification so these trade-exploiters would have a harder time exploiting.
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Alezander
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Posted - 2003.08.06 11:33:00 -
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You know you are horribly sadly addicted to eve when...
You make a topic like this |
Brock
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Posted - 2003.08.06 11:49:00 -
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Callas- personally I don't think missing a chance to make money via a buy/sell loophole matters nearly as much to you as just always damn well *prooving* *you* *are* *right* to the poor unfortunates who's opinion differs from your own.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:40:00 -
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Thinknig about this earlier - would it not be a better system if it stayed as it was "last in, first out" but also took into account the highest bidder?
ie if someone bids at 1isk 1 second before dt and someone bids at 2isk 10 seconds before DT - the 2isk buy order would get it (a lot mroe realistic I feel).
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/08/2003 22:59:17
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That's ok Callass I'm sure you were logged in the second the servers came up ready to play 'Place the buy order last' again.
For the poster of last in first out... it only works on buy orders, sell orders seemingly still go first in first out.
And for special added attraction, my past posts saying you only need to drop your sell price to beat out a higher sell order was slightly astray.
This works if a player is looking to buy but for NPC demand, you can offer to sell "X" for 1 isk but if the NPC buy order is for 10 isk that order will sell and your 1 isk each sell order will sit forever.
Another wonderful security blanket for the people that place sell orders for the next downtime.
Here's hoping that many more people learn to play the 'Place the buy order last game' so we can look forward to future posts by Callass on how he is being singled out and greifed and since he can no longer make his easy money the system must change. Afterall if HE can't have it his way NOBODY should.
Spin it up in anyway you want you've known the system all along while claiming you only react to experiences as of late. Your own posts reveal this. One only needs to put them all together.
There IS one more thing but I'm not certain it's still active...
There is another order of precedence to buy orders. Or at least there used to be. Dunno for sure if there is anymore because I haven't looked at the market.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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