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NGRU Storm
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:11:00 -
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It has come to the attention of many of the EVE-Online customers that certain individuals posting on this forum are bragging about their use of exploits in game to destroy other player's ships in PVP battles. A recent article posted on the in game news said that exploiters would be banned. Please take these braggarts seriously (all you braggarts know who you are) and begin to investigate their activities in game closely. If these individuals are bold enough to brag openly on this forum about using exploits in game to gain an unfair advantage in a PVP combat situation, rest assured that they will continue to do so until banned by CCP for that offense.
Please help stop these individuals and continue to make EVE-Online the wonderful game that it is!
Keep the Faith, NGRU Storm Commanding Officer/Founder Clan NGRU Gamers Association -- Worlds for the TakingÖ http://www.clan-ngru.com
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:12:00 -
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Can I have your stuff ?
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Psyco Groupie
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:12:00 -
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If you have any names report them to the devs, otherwise keep it off the forum ...
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Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:14:00 -
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If you wish to report exploiters, please use the in-game petition system.
-- Mandos Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter EVE Forum rules |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:15:00 -
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You forgot to say *click* ;)
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:17:00 -
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I am posting in this forum. I have faught you and you lost an Armageddon to my team. I hope you are not talking about me, if yes, I'd like to see an explaination. ---
"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
NGRU Storm
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:20:00 -
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Quote: If you wish to report exploiters, please use the in-game petition system.
The petition was filed 2 days ago under exploits, I've received no answer yet. If I've broken rules with this post please accept my apologies, it will not happen again.
Quick question though, what of those individuals who are openly admitting in forum that they are using exploits?
Keep the Faith, NGRU Storm Commanding Officer/Founder Clan NGRU Gamers Association -- Worlds for the TakingÖ http://www.clan-ngru.com
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Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:23:00 -
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Quote: The petition was filed 2 days ago under exploits, I've received no answer yet. If I've broken rules with this post please accept my apologies, it will not happen again.
Quick question though, what of those individuals who are openly admitting in forum that they are using exploits?
Either they're trolling or they feel the need to show off with their 1337 skills I reckon. If you believe them, just copy-paste their confession to an Exploit Petition in-game.
As for the petition response time, I think it can take quite some time for an exploit petition to get answered since it takes some detective work to verify the claim. Plus, stuck character petitions are top priority AFAIK.
Since I'm not a member of the GM team but a volonteer I'll add this disclaimer: I don't have (much) more information on how the GMs operate than you do, so I'm just making some qualified guessing here.
-- Mandos Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter EVE Forum rules |
NGRU Storm
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:25:00 -
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Mandos, thank you for your kind reply. It's most appreciated.
Keep the Faith, NGRU Storm Commanding Officer/Founder Clan NGRU Gamers Association -- Worlds for the TakingÖ http://www.clan-ngru.com
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:00:00 -
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When I am bored at work, I spend time reading the EVE boards and such. I have noticed something... people scream exploit whenever the battle doesn't go their way. I know for a fact and from doing a little research, that a team of well equipped Blackbirds (4 or 5) can completely neutralize 2 Armageddons. This doesn't seem close to an exploit to me, it seems like a very well executed military op.
Unless you intend to post names and details to the community, you will most likely not receive the sympathy vote you are looking for. I am sorry, but I do have a hard time buying all the "exploit" posts on the boards, especially if the poster never gives details.
As far as the "Grid Exploit", that is a CCP issue. Blame the programmers not the players. This issue should have been serious enough for them to implement a hot fix instead of a lame warning. I don't consider it an exploit when NPC pirates lock me up and start firing when I can't see them... so why should the PvP element be any different.
BTW, can I have your stuff?
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Gildon
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Posted - 2003.08.05 14:52:00 -
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Just so I understand Mandos.
People in the MODERATED FORUMS, brag about exploits.
Your response is that WE (the players) should then go through and cut and paste and then petition people openly bragging about exploits?
Tell me again, what is it you do? I would HOPE these would catch YOUR attention and YOU would. I know you are volunteers, but to have the players who haven't volunteered do all the work to catch people breaking the EULA is ridiculous.
Thanks Gil
I am not paying a game, that I have to work to keep exploiters out, I'm pretty darn sure thats what the cash is for.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:15:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23888
Is the "-9.9 security rating means CONCORD don't show up" thing an exploit?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: NGRU Rix on 05/08/2003 15:37:12 It is evident of a two fold problem:
1) -9.9 should be hounded mercilessly in CONCORD patrolled space, they are not. -9.9 players know this and have the ability to abuse it. Polaris volunteers should have seen mention of people with -9.9 sec status saying, in these forums, how easy it is to kill people in these systems and made CCP well aware of it.
2) CONCORD is useless as a legitimate Police force, they kill more victims than criminals. Everyone knows that, everyone.
Yes, it is an exploit and yes, it is in violation of the EULA. However, I have no clue how they will fix it.
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:17:00 -
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ROFL.
They go there, they kill stuff, they deal with any CONCORD response, they move if/when it becomes too strong. This is an exploit? You are an idiot.
This is almost as stupid as the time a few of us including Molly were accused of cargo container lag-exploiting, even though none of us pressed "jettison" a single time. Every single cargo container came from a blown-up CONCORD NPC ship, and we even took the courtesy of blowing said containers up from time to time.
People warp up, see cargo containers, see pirates, warp away and endlessly scream "exploit!" at the top of their lungs on local no matter how many times we explain the source of the containers and how many impartial observers confirm it. Such people have a truly mind-boggling inability to think--they're sub-human cretins who just can't seem to put 2 and 2 together on a regular basis. ___________________________________________
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The Reverend
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:22:00 -
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Not to mention, now that you have secure cargo containers that are invunerable as well, it is quite possible to camp a gate, shoot up loads of people and if they are carrying cargo containers - it is impossible for these containers to be removed. Well done Carebears
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la'Rei
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:31:00 -
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Concord is broken. Not exploited. CONCORD IS EXPLOING! BAN ALL THEM PIGS!!! ANARCHY!!!! -rei _________________________ Trolling is bad. Please dont do it. -rei |
NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: NGRU Rix on 05/08/2003 16:34:23 ROFL indeed...
This has nothing to do with cargo containers and I am not really sure where you got that idea since I never mentioned them.
Read a few other posts about people getting killed in 1.0 space by -9.x rated players with no CONCORD response. That is what I was talking about.
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:37:00 -
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Setec, If l may be so bold: The Concorde exploit is not as you describe. There are concerns that -9.9 sec rated players cannot get any more sec loss, so when they attack people in 1.0 space, concorde don't even show up as "No sec has been lost". If this is true, it's an exploit.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:45:00 -
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Setec said it...
CONCORD reacts there, sometimes after the destruction of a ship, sometimes at the attack of the first or second ship, sometimes immidiatly. But they do not chase you when you just travel there.
People crying exploit should try it by themself instead of accusing others. ---
"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:47:00 -
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Btw you can get to -10.0 from -9.9. And you still get attacked by CONCORD with -10.0 doing stuff. ---
"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:53:00 -
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It doesn't sound like an exploit is being used, however Concord should be attacking players with a high negative security rating within seconds of them entering a high security zone, regardless of wether they are actively attacking other players or just sightseeing. Apparently Concords response time and aggressiveness need to be beefed up.
Freedom of movement thru higher security zones is supposed to be the opportunity cost for being a pirate.
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.05 16:53:00 -
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I have tried it Molly. I made a new character, flew out to a belt and shot someone just once. CONCORD was all over me in an instant.
I tried this with 4 different 0.0 Characters and it happened the same way each and every time. Each time the CONCORD message about a secrity status drop appeared and then CONCORD appeared.
Now, I must admit, I do not have a -9.9 or a -10 rated character to try it on but, the same exact thing should happen. If CONCORD waits till the second ship or the destruction of a ship, then something is wrong. The only difference being the Sec Rating of the players.
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Xlex
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Posted - 2003.08.05 17:03:00 -
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NGRU, you're experiment is not legitiment enough. You need to bring your character down to the specified sec status (-9.9), then conduct your experiment.
This is the only way your results will be COMPLETELY legitiment.
---------- Xlex
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.05 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: NGRU Rix on 05/08/2003 17:13:45 Edited by: NGRU Rix on 05/08/2003 17:12:47 I said I didn't have a character that low. I left the rest to what Molly said, they sometimes show up when she has done the exact same thing. They should always show up just as they did for me. Besides, by the time I could make one that low, it will probably be a moot issue.
Either way, if it is an exploit, CCP will eventually fix it I am sure. I just want it to work correctly, that's all.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.05 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 05/08/2003 18:11:44 Lol, and I want to have no security rating hits outside empire space. That's why I went to 1.0 to attack people in revenge to CONCORD. See http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23854. I am roleplaying a security rating hit outside empire space here, not exploiting. CCP is roleplaying their BUGS too, so I did not hesitate.
Now the BIG WHINE OF THE CAREBEARS has already started anyway.
Fix the cause and not the action.
And calling me indirectly an exploiter is just as funny as being harassed in local chat by an idiot who claims I have been using the grid exploit, cause he saw my missiles but not my ship (obviously I warped away after firing the missiles and he warped in after I left) or who claims we lag gates by jettisoning containers (obviously CONCORD frigates drop containers upon destruction). ---
"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.05 18:19:00 -
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Quote: NGRU, you're experiment is not legitiment enough. You need to bring your character down to the specified sec status (-9.9), then conduct your experiment.
This is the only way your results will be COMPLETELY legitiment.
I will let you know what happens after we test it out.
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Anderi Bourdieu
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Posted - 2003.08.05 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Anderi Bourdieu on 05/08/2003 18:49:29 For those of you that don't already know:
Molly got a sec hit in non-empire 0.0 space and her petition was either ignored ot denied. So she has cancelled her account, but it doesn't run out until December. So, like a child throwing a tantrum, she has decided to terrorize empire space and respond to any discussion of exploits personally.
So, either until December or CCP acknowledges her she will continue with this childish behaviour.
----------------------------------------------- 11/17/04 Are Formal Contracts in yet? Divisional Wallets? Taxes? BP lockdown? |
Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.05 18:30:00 -
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Quote: Just so I understand Mandos.
People in the MODERATED FORUMS, brag about exploits.
Your response is that WE (the players) should then go through and cut and paste and then petition people openly bragging about exploits?
Tell me again, what is it you do? I would HOPE these would catch YOUR attention and YOU would. I know you are volunteers, but to have the players who haven't volunteered do all the work to catch people breaking the EULA is ridiculous.
Thanks Gil
I am not paying a game, that I have to work to keep exploiters out, I'm pretty darn sure thats what the cash is for.
Naturally I'll report an exploiter if I see one. I can't see how it hurts that you do too, even if you didn't sign up for the volonteer program.
Most of us (I hope) have a life outside forum moderation and will not sit 24/7 watching the forum for flames or exploit confessions.
-- Mandos Polaris Forum Moderator and Bug Hunter EVE Forum rules |
Mule
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:04:00 -
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Molly you amuse me to no end. You were one of the biggest whiners before the last patch about how it wasn't fair that players with low security couldn't move in Empire space because the sentry guns would open up on them. So now that you can move about in Empire space what do you do? You go to 1.0 sectors and blow stuff up. Why not just petition to have the sentry guns attack you all the time again? Or spam these boards with "Hey CCP, please, please, please screw me over again" threads. But then again, you're leaving right? I guess you don't care how bad you screw it up for your buddies.
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Absinthe Addict
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Posted - 2003.08.05 20:08:00 -
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Quote: Molly you amuse me to no end. You were one of the biggest whiners before the last patch about how it wasn't fair that players with low security couldn't move in Empire space because the sentry guns would open up on them.
Ah Mule, my old absinthe sipping friend, *licks lips* I couldn't agree more.
*Pours a glass of absinthe using the classic French preparation, and begins to sip*
I rarely stoop to posting on these forum strings, even though I find most strings quite amusing. Your words ring true my dear Mule, and so again I find myself nicely humored. For this favor I'll share a glass of Absinthe with you at our next meeting. Good humor is such a rare commodity these days.
*sips absinthe*
Our child friend Molly is even more the whiner than most it would seem, having looked back through strings from the previous patch. Children are quite the funny while drinking a good glass of La Fee or Pernot 68, and Molly is putting on a marvelous show. Thank you my love
*licks lips and sips more absinthe*
Our little girl is throwing a classic tantrum because she's not getting the attention she feels she deserves. Having read through this string I see nowhere Molly (*licks lips while staring at Molly's cleavage*) being accused of anything directly or indirectly.
*sips at the absinthe, admiring the wonderful louche in the glass*
I have to musingly wonder at this point why our ill behaved child Molly is so quick to answer a post that has nothing to do with her. An amazing coincidence perhaps? The need to defend her own actions in light of CCP's lack of attention to her "needs"?
*sips absinthe again*
La Fee Verte soothes many ills child Molly, perhaps you should share a glass with me someday before your account runs out.
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