Of course it's not as though the BPO loses it's value after you buy it (although that value can change with game changes). You are making profit off what you buy while holding onto a valuable asset. Manufacture as much as you want then see if you can sell the BPO for a profit.

Seems to me that T2 BPOs have a large inflation factor, since the longer Eve is around the more cash is out there, and the more people are willing to spend to be an owner of such a rare item. Unless of course CCP buffs invention a bunch or messes with them in some other way.

Unless some of the decryptors drop down to below 5M isk each they will continue to not be used in non-ship related invention. Anything more then that and they will not be cost effective in non-ship invention meaning any owner of T2 BPO's that are not ships will not notice much if any loss.

i hear you guys,,, but there must be a good reason some of the biggest names and collectors in eve are dropping their T2 BPO's

look at this guy: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=240171&find=unread

172 BPO's, trillions worth in an auction ending 2 days before Odyssey hits, ialso see Grendell and a few others dropping T2 BPO's.

i doubt they would be doing this if there wasn't something big coming

call it a hunch

In Eve there has always been an elite of players able to:

1. read market movements before than others
2. access important information before than others

Imho.

could all these T2 BPO's be hitting the market because of the new invention items making T2 BPO's less useful / worthless?

http://neural-boost.com/odyssey

section 5.1

Optimized Occult Attainment (NEW): Probability +90% / Max. Run +2 / ME +1 / PE -1
Optimized Occult Augmentation (NEW): Probability -10% / Max. Run +7 / ME +2

Optimized Esoteric Attainment (NEW): Probability +90% / Max. Run +2 / ME +1 / PE -1
Optimized Esoteric Augmentation (NEW): Probability -10% / Max. Run +7 / ME +2

Optimized Incognito Attainment (NEW): Probability +90% / Max. Run +2 / ME +1 / PE -1
Optimized Incognito Augmentation (NEW): Probability -10% / Max. Run +7 / ME +2

Optimized Cryptic Attainment (NEW): Probability +90% / Max. Run +2 / ME +1 / PE -1
Optimized Cryptic Augmentation (NEW): Probability -10% / Max. Run +7 / ME +2

Im not adept in inventing so cant judge the impact of these new decryptors, anyone want to shed some light?

Let me fix this for you...

In Eve there has always been an elite of players able to:

1. read market movements before than others via unfair connections with CCP Devs & GM's
2. access important information before than others via unfair connections with CCP Devs & GM's
3. Get reinbursements on losses more than others via unfair connections with CCP Devs & GM's
4. Get given preuimn content such as T2BPO's via unfair connections with CCP Devs & GM's

You must mean the secret dev blog. The secret twitch streams, the closed gatherings, the magic of tweets and general eve-o forums, including the overpowered access to Chribbas exclusive eve-search?

I will tell you why we are selling our T2 BPO's. If you are clever you can figure it out here in my other post.

My post on R64 and market changes.

If you just want a quick answer then here it is.

More people are going to be manufacturing T2, control of T2 component market becomes very difficult.
Lower profit on T2 production from increased competition.
Slight chance of a rebound on the market, but the golden days of T2 BPO ISK printing is about to end.

Thank you for the reassurance, Grendell. Think I had too much time to think during downtime and a T2 BPO nerf seemed imminent :)

I'm nearly certain that CCP won't mess directly with T2 BPOs, but looking at those 2 threads gave me that niggling feeling that one of the devs, towards the end of a pub crawl, may have let slip something about their long term plans for 'fixing' T2 BPOs.

Also: these 2 auctions, and the upcoming auctions have killed the market for many smaller fish. I have a cruise missile BPO that may have sold nicely at this time, but little chance now :)

Invention has been nerfed in odyssey, and thus T2 BPOs have got an indirect buff. The margins will be better when producing off BPOs. Just this perception is likely to increase the demand of T2 BPOs. To note: the value of T2 BPOs is not dependent on the production profits.

The new items mentioned in the OP will not effect T2 BPOs in any way. BPOs for these items will never exist.

T2 BPO's have cache, but no where near the actual value they used to have.

If you were to purchase a ship BPO "NOW", it would take at least 5 years of 24/7 production to get your money back at current rates. Some are even worse in return time.

Now with the anticipated changes to invention the profit will undoubtedly go down, so the time to get your money back is even longer.

Do you want to buy something that you won't get your money back until 2020 or 2025?
Will you even be playing?




Correction: At current minimum bids on some ship BPO's on Sell Forum, they are at 10 years + to get money back.

How has invention been nerfed?

Not to beat a dead horse, but since the insertion of T2 bpos they have consistently gowing up in price. While the returns may no longer be spectacular like way back in the day, when you buy a bpo you arent putting your isk into a blackhole. You have a "physical" asset that has a value. So anything you manufacture from it, is pure profit from day one. Not to mention the value of the bpo will probably go up in price during the time you own it. So let's say you buy a bpo worth 50b, produce from it for a month and earn 1b isk and then sell the bpo. You're now 1b richer than you were a month ago.

Feel free to ignore me though, that's just my 2 isk.

...what do they know that we don't?

Your analysis is speculation about investment in moon materials.

You extrapolate it to final T2 products.

This is the flaw of your analysis : T2 market is driven by demand, not by offer. Ship overhaul, new trends in pvp, change the demand for a particular ship.

In the end, T2 ship bpos will always be profitable as long as the ship they produce are useful. Whatever are the prices for moon materials and composites...

On a side note, T2 bpos are not isk printing machines : it's a lot of dedication to buy, haul, make components, assemble T1 and T2 ships, haul again then sell : For 25 T2 bpos (cruisers and industrial hulls), I use continuously 100 production slots 24/7, making a rough 45 Bil profit per month. And I produce a few hundreds more ships from invention, from cruiser hulls to jump freighters. Total isks involved in the processes (from buy orders to sell orders in instance) is around 350 Bil

I'd say he has a very accurate tone. Markets that don't end with a product that will be fielded and in time destroyed are markets doomed to saturate.

The new Optimized Esoteric attainment decryptor is at 11 mill in Jita and in a few short days several have arrived there. 90% added, 20% base, +2 run makes a 3 run Rhea copy, a 3 run Golem copy for 11 mill. Research is no longer a throttle on T2 production.

BPO "sellers" right now know that they have to sell them in the following year but know that they can milk the cow still.

Right now they are only checking prices and how much people want them (just check their threads ). Before it's too late for them (1 year max) they will have their house cleaned.