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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:11:00 -
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Mhax Arthie wrote:Uhm, freighter convoys... yummy! Just yesterday passed a huge freighter convoy in hi sec somewhere around Rens, there was about more than 20 Charon's on each side of the gate. I would love to see something like this in low and null sec!
Well you'd have to nerf the crap out of cynos/bridges - and probably supercaps as well.
So it isn't going to happen. Simple as that. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:01:00 -
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The amusing thing that most of the advocates of "nerf null-sec logistics" fail to realise (or do but don't care) is that if you nerf JFs for example, you are nerfing small corps and individuals in null.
Large corps can adapt rapidly, small corps can't.
At the moment small corps can either jump their own stuff in or get Black Frog to do it for them.
That gives them a foothold in npc null without having half the corp assets destroyed at the regional gate.
Null is boring enough, the very last ******* thing it needs is more logistics tedium and blues.
YMMV of course. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
That's exactly it. A 10,000 character coalition wouldn't sneeze at any change, that 10 man corp of real life buddies living in Curse and carrier jumping ships in to play with and killing stuff would do more than sneeze lol.
The other thing of course is you get some people in npc null who actually seed the local market on a regular basis, bringing at least some life to the market.
I think its important people think of npc null and sov null as two distinct regions of the game (like high/low).
Sov null IME is dead unless you are the sov holder. Even then its pretty goddamn dead. The market is a farce due to blues - no price-gouging/cutting agreements are common, so its a cartel and not a market. That doesn't appeal to traders. The only industry is supercap/titan production IME.
NPC null can have a reasonably thriving market - depends largely on the corps there - or it can be as bad as sov null. One thing for sure, any npc null markets will be utterly dead were JFs nerfed.
Oh and just for the record, no I don't seed npc null markets as I can make orders of magnitude more with less effort in high-sec. I respect the people who do make the effort though. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:22:00 -
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Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:[
Thats the other "the sky is falling" argument. No, small corps don't need JFs, thank you very much. When i can support 50ppl with 1 carrier and 1 rorqual something is wrong in the equation (i have done it, have you?).
Small corps don't need to do large freighter runs, they just don't. They use other ships, smaller ships, faster ships, cloaky stuff. There are ways to do it right now, it just got too easy so now everyone seems to think to be entitled to do it "the easy way...because".
And if they don't want to, they buy from larger entities where they live. And no, small corps will NEVER challange the large alliance, with or without a JF's.
They didn't back in 2003/4/5, and they don't today. We have tried both ways, thats not whats stopping small corps from taking over. Get over it.
You're living way way WAY back in the past. Best you get to grips with the present rather than discussing the future don't you think? |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:25:00 -
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Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:
Let me use a clichee: "the one who dosn't know the past is bound to repeat....." fill in the rest for yourself..
Ta for the advice. My Eve history started in May 2003. I know the past. You on the other hand live there. |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 14:58:00 -
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Stop feeding the troll peeps  |
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:51:00 -
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I'm at a loss to see why anyone would commit BPO's/assets to sov null for manufacturing purposes unless compelled to do so - eg supers/titans. |
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