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Kirith Vespira
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:15:00 -
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Kirith Vespira wrote:Yeah, bring on more failquitters who fail to quit. It was quite amusing last time. :)
Edit: it's a shame we can't verify who REALLY quits versus those who talk a big game, those who let a single subs expire with four others still running, and those who proclaim "my subs is up in 8 months, and I won't resub! (Unless something changes)." I'd love to see people FORCED to keep their word (ie, you let a subs lapse, you can never use that same credit card/device again or reactivate that account again. |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:16:00 -
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People care about the lost jobs in all this
But NO one cares that you are leaving
Best to leave the wall of text for your diary. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It sucks, but it's not really our business how CCP is run. We should really only be interested in how EVE is run.
PS Since you're posting that from a PC, which will be largely made from parts produced in Chinese factories who literally work their staff to death, your concern with supporting corporate cultures seems to be unevenly applied, to say the least.
ROFL. Well said.
As for the OP, well, it is what is is. CCP is having to lay off people to get it's financial house in order. What really sucks is that good people (the guys getting laid off) are the ones having to suffer for CCP's terrible over-reaching. That is a travesty and an injustice.
However, it's also business. Sure, we can be mad that CCP over-extended itself (while milking us as a cash cow), but how can we then be mad when CCP takes the very painful steps to correct their mistake?
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Raquel Smith
Freedom-Technologies The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:It's not so much the WOD layoff's that bother me. While a better refocus move would've been to have them actually refocus on EVE
Read The Mythical Man Month. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:19:00 -
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What I consider apprehensive is not that people got laid off, that may have been a necessity, it's the blatant lie about the reasons for it.
If you're spread thin and not focused, you reassign your workforce to the parts you want to focus on, where not enough workforce was available before. You do not lay them off, keeping your workforce as spread thin as before.
The mass lay-offs had financial reasons. There is enough work to do on EVE to keep everybody busy, there just isn't enough money to pay all of them. Claiming otherwise is a lie. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Mahakaharashi RedEagle
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:24:00 -
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Of all the things that could/will motivate me to cancel my subscription, fact that company decided to fire some employees is among the last ones. Sorry, but that's life - I've been losing my jobs too and I survived.
Only thing that really bothers me here is the fact that CCP is obviously in deep s*** when they had to pull so drastic measures. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:24:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote: Claiming otherwise is Corporate Speak.
Fixed that for you :) .
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:25:00 -
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No one will miss you guys, really! Have fun in Second Life. |
Abrazzar
218
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:26:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Abrazzar wrote: Claiming otherwise is Corporate Speak. Fixed that for you :) . That's the same, really. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:55:00 -
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The OP is perhaps the most naive and clueless person in the history of forums.
Businesses contract when they lose income - its an unfortunate and unavoidable reality.
Protesting the contraction by removing more income is like is like protesting against hunger by destroying food.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:59:00 -
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HTFU |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:13:00 -
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OP unfortunately you are missing many points.
first those people hired should never have been hired in the first place. its sad, but its true, they shouldn't have been hired because WOD shouldn't have been THAT big on the priority list
i too, wish eve got a wave of new players so the ones we lost could stay and work on WOD, but i completely agree with CCP's decision to layoff people
all i ask is that ccp help them get into other jobs in the industry |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
9
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:50:00 -
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For me strange behavior and bad image of the company was enough to unsubscribe all accounts 3 months ago. What did you expect from them - they suddenly become ethical and reasonable after saying "we don't care about our clients' demands"?
I think new wave of unsubbing will be related to fact game doesn't have any new content for like 20 months already and +4 ships added to 150 existing - they won't change anything for like 90% of player base. And hybrid/cap rebalance doesn't worth $180/year because it's not actual content. |
Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.21 19:33:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Thomas Abernathy wrote:It's so funny that people really believe the "Refocus" stuff. You'd think after all the lies and mis-information that CCP put out earlier this year, some people would be suspicious? You don't refocus by cutting 20% of your staff. You cut 20% of your staff because you made some very bad mistakes and now your paying for it financially. If you kiddies want this sugarcoated over, due to your inability to understand business concepts, keep believing....but cutting 20% indicates a company in trouble... Right, thanks Mr Business COnsultant. I assume you will also be unsubbing before CCP collapses? Is that the sky I hear falling? Oh no sorry its the sound of all the idiots stomping around trying to sound relevent/clever.
As opposed to your response? Instead of coming up with a valid counter argument, it's tears... I didn't say CCP was dead, I was simply stating the obvious fact that they clearly are in trouble, and everyone seems to want to sugercoat it. As for subbing, I unsubbed my 3 accounts 6 months ago, I recently renewed this one on plexes, simply to have some fun shooting goons in icebelts, but I don't see any major changes in game at this point.... I can't really say anything about promised changes, because they haven't happened yet. Considering CCP's past track record of total fail on promises, I wouldn't get to excited about all the promises....CCP has been promising WIS for years, and after all this time we finally got WIB. Not to mention, some of the changes are a joke, and a kneejerk response to the fringe.
Generally when you cut 20% of your staff, and then demand a bunch of changes, in record time....it doesn't go well.
But I wouldn't mind if they somehow proved me wrong, maybe the game would be worth playing again. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.10.21 19:40:00 -
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FAIL!
I suppose in order not to be entirely hypocritcal you'll also be boycotting products made or sold by:
Microsoft - Better go buy a mac Cisco - uh oh, no more interwebs for you Wal-mart Sears Lowes Pfizer - Bye bye advil and other drugs Merck & Co - More drugs! GlaxoSmithKline - Even MOAR drugs! Boston Scientific - Hope you don't need their medical devices Delta Airlines Lockheed Martin Northrop Grumman Research in Motion (BlackBerrys) Borders - You probably don't read anyway Hasbro - no toys! Marvel Comics Briggs & Stratton Hewlett-Packard Whirlpool
Ah hell, I'll just give you a link so you'll have a list of all the things you can't support any more in the name of your misguided principles: http://dailyjobcuts.com/ This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
DatzSik
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:44:00 -
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DatzSik wrote:Inappropriate comment removed. Spitfire
I was thinking about resubbing a 5th account when i checked my email for any offers, and I found this. Looks like it's time to start dropping accounts again. I guess you didn't learn anything! |
Rod Blaine
Gilded Goose Brokerage
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:51:00 -
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20% cuts is nothing, That's about what, 3 times the average yearly emplyee churn in a modern day service-oriented or industrial company ?
Eve is only a game for the paying subscribers, and for no-one else. Remember that, bottom line counts just like everywhere else. If it wouldn't, none of us would have a job. |
Barakkus
990
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Posted - 2011.11.01 18:52:00 -
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o hai thar bai |
RUSROG
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:21:00 -
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Fail protest is fail?
There isn't going to be a next 'wave' of unsubs. CCP hit rock bottom with Incarna. You can't get worse than that. I mean they could try...but they would have to try really hard.
So far the blogs look good, people are smiling and something just exploded in local. brb.
-áE .-+ ` ' /-+. F
Your tears fuel me. And as always, have nice day. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:31:00 -
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The original poster is only hurting more jobs. Horrible, insensitive, ill-thought idea. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:35:00 -
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I swear the OP is a bigger PR disaster than firing 20% of staff to keep the doors open and servers online. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:35:00 -
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Zymurgist Alt detected.
Get lost, accept it. You got canned. Maybe one of the smelly bums at the OWS protest cares. I don't. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:37:00 -
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RUSROG wrote:
There isn't going to be a next 'wave' of unsubs.
Realy ? CCP is about to nerf something big and expensive....
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Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:41:00 -
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Why is this thread still going?
It should have been allowed to sink to about page 20 by now.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:45:00 -
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Jesus, A nerd rage post from goonwaffle and a thinly disguised "I hate CCP management" post from Rote all in the same day??
wtf is going on around this place with all the useless pubbie tears coming from people who should be better than that? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:45:00 -
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Twisted Alice wrote:Why is this thread still going?
It should have been allowed to sink to about page 20 by now.
Stop posting then.... yeez.
Btw trololololol. ~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~ |
RandomFlame
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:54:00 -
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Yep-to unsub is the way of protest. The best years of EVE are over. When my 2 paid CC accounts are due at the end of this month CCP will be losing just under 30 euros per month from me and I save 358 euros a year-whoo . Let me be the first to wish you all a Merry Christmas and deserved bleak New Year. |
Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:01:00 -
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Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:Twisted Alice wrote:Why is this thread still going?
It should have been allowed to sink to about page 20 by now.
Stop posting then.... yeez. Btw trololololol.
I'm not sure if you think I'm trolling or you were trolling.
I was actually being serious.
In short, they had to make people redundant, never an easy thing to do in a company. Better 20% than 30% or 40% or even the whole company.
So those being made redundant had nothing to do with the decisions (probably) but they ended up paying for it. That's life it happens, get over it and move on like those 20% have to. If WoD ever gets worked on again, they'll probably rehire some of them.
If you want to protest over a company laying people off, then make it fair why not complaint about all companies laying people off, ok so it'll be in the 1,000,000,+ worldwide range.
The fact is very few jobs are jobs for life these days. |
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