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Galdor
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Galdor wrote:They are solely basing their dislike for my right to post here in the forums as an excuse to abuse the system. This is an excellent use (not abuse) of the bounty system, perfectly mirrored in the real world, as if that matters. Or are you going to claim that's a "subjective opinion" too?
It is not a claim, it is a fact that you obviously do not understand what a subjective opinion is.
Simply put, you are stating that persecuting a player for posting an opinion is in line with CCP's objective for the bounty system, which is false. That is because an opinion is not an action and therefore not in line with CCP's own statement on the purpose of the bounty system.
Nowhere in the definition of the word 'action' does it state that an opinion is an action, which is what I am being persecuted for. Which by the way is illegal in most countries if you want to make false claims that persecution in the real world for an opinion based on existing laws and freedoms is somehow in itself illegal is absurd to say the least.
As far as the continued threats go on about adding bounties go, those only further prove my stance that the system is being exploited based on the facts, not opinion. Just as I keep having to bring up, CCP themselves said that one of the purposes of the change in the bounty system was:
"To build upon the theme of the expansion of strengthening ties between actions and consequences, including making the company you keep a factor in that"
http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/bounty-hunting/
That being the case, an opinion, just to help refresh your memories, is NOT an action based on the dictionary definition. http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/action
Therefore an opinion should not be allowed to be used in EVE as an exploited premise to seek retribution. To deny the facts is pure ignorance and anarchistic. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15311
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:43:00 -
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Galdor wrote:Malcanis wrote:Galdor wrote:They are solely basing their dislike for my right to post here in the forums as an excuse to abuse the system. This is an excellent use (not abuse) of the bounty system, perfectly mirrored in the real world, as if that matters. Or are you going to claim that's a "subjective opinion" too? It is not a claim, it is a fact that you obviously do not understand what a subjective opinion is. Simply put, you are stating that persecuting a player for posting an opinion is in line with CCP's objective for the bounty system, which is false. That is because an opinion is not an action and therefore not in line with CCP's own statement on the purpose of the bounty system. Nowhere in the definition of the word 'action' does it state that an opinion is an action, which is what I am being persecuted for. Which by the way is illegal in most countries if you want to make false claims that persecution in the real world for an opinion based on existing laws and freedoms is somehow in itself illegal is absurd to say the least. As far as the continued threats go on about adding bounties go, those only further prove my stance that the system is being exploited based on the facts, not opinion. Just as I keep having to bring up, CCP themselves said that one of the purposes of the change in the bounty system was: "To build upon the theme of the expansion of strengthening ties between actions and consequences, including making the company you keep a factor in that" http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/bounty-hunting/That being the case, an opinion, just to help refresh your memories, is NOT an action based on the dictionary definition. http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/actionTherefore an opinion should not be allowed to be used in EVE as an exploited premise to seek retribution. To deny the facts is pure ignorance and anarchistic.
- Please prove that giving someone a bounty for something they typed, is 'persecuting a player'.
- If the act of typing a comment on either the forums or in game is not an action, then what is?
Even your American English link states it's both: the fact or process of doing something, typically to achieve an aim AND a thing done; an act.
Sounds like typing to me.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11157
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:54:00 -
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Galdor wrote:
Simply put, you are stating that persecuting a player for posting an opinion is in line with CCP's objective for the bounty system, which is false.
Not it's true.
but only if you go by things that CCP devs actually say, which according to you carries no weight.
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samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
26
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:48:00 -
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Quote: Additionally, the fact that none of the naysayers still haven't admitted the fact, as I said earlier, that EVE requires a balance of 'carebears' and 'pvpers' is also added proof in your inability to grasp the facts. As a result of the new bounty changes, it only caters to the pvpers who want to force everyone to pvp and offsets the balance of the playstyles in EVE.
Ahh the good ol "we build your ships argument. What I think these people fail to realise is that for example I am a PvPer AND I have industrial alts. You may be surprised how many of those "people who build things are pvpers in masks
Quote:By the way, Shahfluffers and his corp pal, Gritz1, recently helped to prove further the bounty system is being exploited by their adding bounties on myself when they have had zero interaction with me in-game. They are solely basing their dislike for my right to post here in the forums as an excuse to abuse the system.
Hahahaha brilliant
Quote:Nowhere in the definition of the word 'action' does it state that an opinion is an action, which is what I am being persecuted for. Which by the way is illegal in most countries if you want to make false claims that persecution in the real world for an opinion based on existing laws and freedoms is somehow in itself illegal is absurd to say the least.
And now we have argument by semantic. Never once have I seen this win as it usually means all other attempts at wheedling the point lost.
Personally I think if you insult someone, either verbally straight out or by acting as if there opinion is wrong, then they should be able to exercise a little revenge.
CCP we need a forum bounty button now! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11158
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:33:00 -
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Galdor wrote:
Nowhere in the definition of the word 'action' does it state that an opinion is an action, which is what I am being persecuted for. Which by the way is illegal in most countries
I love the way that you destroy your own argument 
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RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
162
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:43:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Your words here probably caused them so much mental anguish that they lost ships or something. Sounds justified to me.
Do bounties need to be justified? The little screen where you add a bounty to someone has never once asked me for a justification for placing one.
The Bing Dictionary has, as it's first definition of the word bounty:
reward: a reward of money offered for finding a criminal or other wanted person, or for killing a person or a predator.
The ability of anyone placing a bounty on anyone else for whatever reason or, indeed, no reason at all, whether the OP agrees it to be valid or not, falls well within the latter portion of the definition. The definition doesn't even delve into the reasons the bounty is being placed.
Why is this still being discussed?
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15317
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Galdor wrote:
Nowhere in the definition of the word 'action' does it state that an opinion is an action, which is what I am being persecuted for. Which by the way is illegal in most countries
I love the way that you destroy your own argument  It was definitely a D'oh moment. 
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15317
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:54:00 -
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RoAnnon wrote:Why is this still being discussed?
Because someone got upset at receiving a bounty and he's played since Beta, so knows what is and isn't a good reason for one.
Basically.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
30
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:55:00 -
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RoAnnon wrote:mynnna wrote:Your words here probably caused them so much mental anguish that they lost ships or something. Sounds justified to me. Do bounties need to be justified? The little screen where you add a bounty to someone has never once asked me for a justification for placing one. The Bing Dictionary has, as it's first definition of the word bounty: reward: a reward of money offered for finding a criminal or other wanted person, or for killing a person or a predator. The ability of anyone placing a bounty on anyone else for whatever reason or, indeed, no reason at all, whether the OP agrees it to be valid or not, falls well within the latter portion of the definition. The definition doesn't even delve into the reasons the bounty is being placed. Why is this still being discussed?
1st of all great quote in your sig!
I think what people don't get is that really bounties are informal contracts.
They have nothing to do with the law.
They have nothing to do with a set seqence of in-game prerequesites
they have everything to do with someones personal motives to make you a slightly more attractive PvP target.
That is it. |

RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
163
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:03:00 -
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samualvimes wrote:1st of all great quote in your sig!
Thanks, probably my favorite dialogue from Firefly...
The OP seems to think that Bounties are akin to the Wanted posters put out offering a reward for so-and-so's capture, Dead or Alive. That's not it at all, as demonstrated by the fact anyone has the ability to place a bounty.
It's more like Don Corleone in the back room of the pastaria telling his "boys" that so-and-so has offended him, and they know what to do, there's 10K in it for whoever does the deed...
My asking why the discussion is on-going was more rhetorical than anything... :)
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2121
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:05:00 -
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There is only one way to respond to anyone complaining about the bounty system.
I'm sure you all know what it is. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11160
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:06:00 -
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RoAnnon wrote: Why is this still being discussed?
Because it's the quiet season and watching some guy repeatedly running headfirst into a wall and claiming that the bricks are persecuting him is amusing.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11163
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:07:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:There is only one way to respond to anyone complaining about the bounty system.
I'm sure you all know what it is.
The bountry system is horrible and putting bounties on people is horrible illegal abuse as you will all find when I consult a real grown up lawyer who will in no way laugh so hard that he actually throws up a little and has to skip lunch
*waits patiently
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2123
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:08:00 -
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Hey Malcanis, about putting the 'Add Bounty' button next to the 'Like' button on the forums... Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11163
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:20:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Hey Malcanis, about putting the 'Add Bounty' button next to the 'Like' button on the forums...
It was a good idea with CCP Punkturis suggested it and it's a good idea now.
1 Kings 12:11
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Ex Cinere Scriptor
2302
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Hey Malcanis, about putting the 'Add Bounty' button next to the 'Like' button on the forums... It was a good idea with CCP Punkturis suggested it and it's a good idea now. +1
And heck yeah, I know I will get ISK on me too, but it won't be the first time. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15331
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Hey Malcanis, about putting the 'Add Bounty' button next to the 'Like' button on the forums... It was a good idea with CCP Punkturis suggested it and it's a good idea now. It was, but I don't trust the forums and wouldn't use it for that reason. 
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
165
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:18:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:And heck yeah, I know I will get ISK on me too, but it won't be the first time.
LOL, as soon as the bounty system was put in place my CEO bountied every member of the corp... in our group it's a badge of honor...
One of our directors put a bounty on an ex-corpmate just for grins when said ex-corpmate announced he was off to join FW. Our director, however, hit the 0 key a few too many times, guess he was used to paying millions on market for the high-ISK deadspace stuff he was fitting his T3s with. Anyway, our guy went off to join FW with a 500M bounty instead of the 500K intended. As far as I know he still has most of that bounty on him. Good times....
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |

samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
33
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:34:00 -
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RoAnnon wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:And heck yeah, I know I will get ISK on me too, but it won't be the first time. LOL, as soon as the bounty system was put in place my CEO bountied every member of the corp... in our group it's a badge of honor... One of our directors put a bounty on an ex-corpmate just for grins when said ex-corpmate announced he was off to join FW. Our director, however, hit the 0 key a few too many times, guess he was used to paying millions on market for the high-ISK deadspace stuff he was fitting his T3s with. Anyway, our guy went off to join FW with a 500M bounty instead of the 500K intended. As far as I know he still has most of that bounty on him. Good times....
Our CEO put 50 mil on each of us and told us to go lose it within a week.
that was a hectic week of roaming but it was a good way of making sure you became immune to loss. |

Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
158
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Posted - 2013.08.07 08:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Hey Malcanis, about putting the 'Add Bounty' button next to the 'Like' button on the forums... It was a good idea with CCP Punkturis suggested it and it's a good idea now. But don't forget the donate ISK button! |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2665

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Posted - 2013.08.07 12:01:00 -
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I've removed some more trolling from this thread. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
47
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:06:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:Malcanis wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Hey Malcanis, about putting the 'Add Bounty' button next to the 'Like' button on the forums... It was a good idea with CCP Punkturis suggested it and it's a good idea now. But don't forget the donate ISK button!
As long as they make it look identical to the place bounty button and have them side by side.
Oh and occasionally switch their postitions |

Galdor
Electric Sun Associates
4
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Posted - 2013.08.07 19:16:00 -
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"The Assembly Hall Section is there to encourage debate of the issues being presented." -CCP Eterne
There is nothing encouraging for any kind of debate here when players are spamming condescending remarks and blatantly trying to harass my character in-game via the bounty system.
As far as placing bounties on someone being any kind of badge of "respect" is complete nonsense. I highly doubt those who continue to waste isk by adding bounties on my character in-game are trying to show respect for my opinion.
Here is the official statement by CCP last year on player harassment after the fanfest:
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players..." -CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player
I have played EVE for over ten years and will continue to not be idle about the recent bounty system changes. Regardless of the insistent trolling by a vocal minority, bounties based on forum posts are childish, not validly based on CCP's own bounty purpose statements and certainly not encouragement for players to post future posts. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15356
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:44:00 -
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Galdor wrote:"The Assembly Hall Section is there to encourage debate of the issues being presented." -CCP Eterne There is nothing encouraging for any kind of debate here when players are spamming condescending remarks and blatantly trying to harass my character in-game via the bounty system. As far as placing bounties on someone being any kind of badge of "respect" is complete nonsense. I highly doubt those who continue to waste isk by adding bounties on my character in-game are trying to show respect for my opinion. Here is the official statement by CCP last year on player harassment after the fanfest: "I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players..." -CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-playerI have played EVE for over ten years and will continue to not be idle about the recent bounty system changes. Regardless of the insistent trolling by a vocal minority, bounties based on forum posts are childish, not validly based on CCP's own bounty purpose statements and certainly not encouragement for players to post future posts. And as yet you've still not shown how placing a bounty on someone, is harassment. Trying to include obvious harassment that actually broke the EULA last year, is not helping your case one jot.
So once again: Please prove that placing a bounty on someone, because you disagreed with with something they said on the forum or in a chat room, is harassment.
But you won't, because you can't.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
47
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Posted - 2013.08.07 21:52:00 -
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Galdor wrote:"The Assembly Hall Section is there to encourage debate of the issues being presented." -CCP Eterne There is nothing encouraging for any kind of debate here when players are spamming condescending remarks and blatantly trying to harass my character in-game via the bounty system. As far as placing bounties on someone being any kind of badge of "respect" is complete nonsense. I highly doubt those who continue to waste isk by adding bounties on my character in-game are trying to show respect for my opinion. Here is the official statement by CCP last year on player harassment after the fanfest: "I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players..." -CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-playerI have played EVE for over ten years and will continue to not be idle about the recent bounty system changes. Regardless of the insistent trolling by a vocal minority, bounties based on forum posts are childish, not validly based on CCP's own bounty purpose statements and certainly not encouragement for players to post future posts.
wait because a number by your name increases you think that's harassment?
or is it because people who were going to kill you anyway now get a small reward to do so?
No wait maybe it's the wanted sign. Everyone should feel wanted though so it can't be that
I'm stumped
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2967
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:06:00 -
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Galdor wrote:As far as placing bounties on someone being any kind of badge of "respect" is complete nonsense. I highly doubt those who continue to waste isk by adding bounties on my character in-game are trying to show respect for my opinion. Among us PvPers... getting a bounty is a form of respect. We literally jump for joy and giggle at the thought that someone either likes or dislikes us enough to put cold hard cash on our heads (I'm totally not kidding about this either... my CEO got a billion ISK bounty on his head once and everyone in corp kept "recharging" it when it got too low).
Galdor wrote:I have played EVE for over ten years and will continue to not be idle about the recent bounty system changes. Regardless of the insistent trolling by a vocal minority, bounties based on forum posts are childish, not validly based on CCP's own bounty purpose statements and certainly not encouragement for players to post future posts. Stop reading so much in to the "fluff" descriptions on what the bounty system is on the expansion portals (it's almost pure marketing BS). They only thing that ever matters as far as mechanics go are the DEV blogs and DEV/GM posts on the forums... both of which clearly state that they designed the bounty system to be as open as possible because "good" and "bad" are relative to the values of each player.
Also... I will add more to your bounty tonight (because the thought of your posting in this thread distracts me while I'm PvPing... and I lose ships... and I don't like it!) Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

Fewell
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:33:00 -
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I'm okay with this, providing that the use of u instead of you as well as other gems such as 2 for to, c for see and the like, come with either a suspect flag or a security status hit. It is for the use of these that I've placed about 90 percent of my bounties and I must be allowed to continue to bounty for these crimes. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1437
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:40:00 -
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Galdor wrote:"The Assembly Hall Section is there to encourage debate of the issues being presented." -CCP Eterne There is nothing encouraging for any kind of debate here when players are spamming condescending remarks and blatantly trying to harass my character in-game via the bounty system. As far as placing bounties on someone being any kind of badge of "respect" is complete nonsense. I highly doubt those who continue to waste isk by adding bounties on my character in-game are trying to show respect for my opinion. Here is the official statement by CCP last year on player harassment after the fanfest: "I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players..." -CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-playerI have played EVE for over ten years and will continue to not be idle about the recent bounty system changes. Regardless of the insistent trolling by a vocal minority, bounties based on forum posts are childish, not validly based on CCP's own bounty purpose statements and certainly not encouragement for players to post future posts.
Your comparing (note: an action!) of your bounty ingame to Mittani's drunken and rather inexcusable action offends me deeply. To express my displeasure at your action, I have increased your bounty.
See? Action -> bounty. Straight forward enough, eh? Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11182
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Posted - 2013.08.08 08:38:00 -
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Galdor wrote:"The Assembly Hall Section is there to encourage debate of the issues being presented." -CCP Eterne There is nothing encouraging for any kind of debate here when players are spamming condescending remarks and blatantly trying to harass my character in-game via the bounty system. As far as placing bounties on someone being any kind of badge of "respect" is complete nonsense. I highly doubt those who continue to waste isk by adding bounties on my character in-game are trying to show respect for my opinion. Here is the official statement by CCP last year on player harassment after the fanfest: "I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players..." -CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-playerI have played EVE for over ten years and will continue to not be idle about the recent bounty system changes. Regardless of the insistent trolling by a vocal minority, bounties based on forum posts are childish, not validly based on CCP's own bounty purpose statements and certainly not encouragement for players to post future posts.
Once again you provide a classic counter-example to your own positition by providing a game relevent example where someone was punished ("persecuted", if you will) for no other action than speaking some words.
So either you believe that Mittani's punishment was not justified or you believe that people should be able to put a bounty on other players for what they've said.
Which is it?
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
160
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Posted - 2013.08.08 09:09:00 -
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I begin to wonder, especially in the light of all the obvious argument inconsistencies pointed out by Malcanis et al, if this is Galdor's secret plan to get the highest bounty. |
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