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Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.29 20:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Sobeseki Pawi on 29/10/2005 20:35:46 What would you think about doubling the power of cruiser weapons, but also doubleing their fitting requirements and tripling the power of BS weapons, but tripling their fitting requirements? So what do you think? EDIT: And Cap usage would be doubled and tripled as well. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.29 21:11:00 - [2] i don't like it if not coupled with a fitting increase, it would slaughter many current setups and lead to too many fitting mods or lots of empty slots - not something i want to see. would also hugely increase skills divide (meaning those without good fitting skills are screwed) would also boost the raven a lot IMO if coupled with a comparative fitting increase, but not coupled with a comparative tanking increase, it would send ganking through the roof if it was coupled with a comparative fitting and tanking increase, it would slaughter the idea of using smaller ships (like inties/AFs on cruisers, or HACs on BSs) against a larger ship to destroy it i think medium guns need fixing in some ways, but i don't think these changes should be made -- This Zig. For great justice!
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.10.29 21:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Wrayeth on 29/10/2005 21:14:07 Significantly increasing medium turret tracking would be much better, IMHO. This would finally allow cruisers to fulfill their role as frig-killers. EDIT: Oh, and how could I forget?...reduce the sig radius penalty of heavy missiles vs. frigs. -Wrayeth
Tricore	Posted - 2005.10.29 21:19:00 - [4] I hope this is a joke...
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.10.29 21:22:00 - [5] Edited by: Wrayeth on 29/10/2005 21:22:36 Originally by: Tricore I hope this is a joke... Well, my response wasn't a joke - right now tech 1 cruisers have no real role. They can't effectively kill battleships except in packs (as it should be) and they can't effectively kill most frigs. -Wrayeth
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.30 07:00:00 - [6] Originally by: HippoKing i don't like it if not coupled with a fitting increase, it would slaughter many current setups and lead to too many fitting mods or lots of empty slots - not something i want to see. would also hugely increase skills divide (meaning those without good fitting skills are screwed) would also boost the raven a lot IMO if coupled with a comparative fitting increase, but not coupled with a comparative tanking increase, it would send ganking through the roof if it was coupled with a comparative fitting and tanking increase, it would slaughter the idea of using smaller ships (like inties/AFs on cruisers, or HACs on BSs) against a larger ship to destroy it i think medium guns need fixing in some ways, but i don't think these changes should be made Well the point of this idea is to promote mixed weapons without any undue loss of offensive power. instead of only fitting a full rack of the same guns. As for it being a joke...think about it more. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.10.30 07:17:00 - [7] but you would have to change the scaling of the weapons as well, otherwise tachyons, 1400s, etc. become utterly useless -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Baun	Posted - 2005.10.30 07:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 29/10/2005 21:22:36 Originally by: Tricore I hope this is a joke... Well, my response wasn't a joke - right now tech 1 cruisers have no real role. They can't effectively kill battleships except in packs (as it should be) and they can't effectively kill most frigs. sure they can, they just have to use small guns. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.30 09:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Derron Bel but you would have to change the scaling of the weapons as well, otherwise tachyons, 1400s, etc. become utterly useless The Tachyon I dmg mod would be 12x...base. The Mega Beam I would would be 9x. It's the same scaling we have now...just tripled. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Ishtari	Posted - 2005.10.30 09:33:00 - [10] I m slaughtering frigates with a bs so it can be done and yes with large weapons and drones.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.30 09:34:00 - [11] well so am I I was just wondering what ppl thought. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Meridius	Posted - 2005.10.30 09:37:00 - [12] I don't know why people say Cruisers can't kill frigates. They can easily slaughter them. They have troubles when it comes to Interceptors because of there increased speed, firepower and reduced signature radius. Inties are uber filling a role they shouldn't be imo. ________________________________________________________
ZelRox	Posted - 2005.10.30 10:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Baun Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 29/10/2005 21:22:36 Originally by: Tricore I hope this is a joke... Well, my response wasn't a joke - right now tech 1 cruisers have no real role. They can't effectively kill battleships except in packs (as it should be) and they can't effectively kill most frigs. sure they can, they just have to use small guns. That is true, but then they also loose the bonuses given, since bonuses usually target the medium turrents, not small. Would be nice with some kind of crappy quad\gatling type of medium gun, with good tracking, that could be fitted for point defense. Destroyers are the ships that are actually suposed to fill the antifrig role, but they have been overnerfed imho. Most inty pilots dont fear destroyers at all, likek Meridius said, they are uber. ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.10.30 10:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Edited by: Sobeseki Pawi on 29/10/2005 20:35:46 What would you think about doubling the power of cruiser weapons, but also doubleing their fitting requirements and tripling the power of BS weapons, but tripling their fitting requirements? So what do you think? EDIT: And Cap usage would be doubled and tripled as well. You mean remove blasters from the game? Don't fight in Jita. That system is bugged to hell and back. The most unusual things can happen there.
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.10.30 10:46:00 - [15] Wouldnt this make battles go a hell of a lot faster? I'd prefer to increase the defensive modules to make them last longer, which is what CCP is intending to do if I'm not mistaken. -------------------------
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.30 21:00:00 - [16] Okay, Im not sure I understand why tripling fittings needed would also mean you cant fit any at all. What is with this all or none attitude when it comes to guns. Also, lets add in bonuses work on all weapons of that type. So All lasers would get a cap use reduction on an Amarr BS. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.30 21:12:00 - [17] it would still boost the raven too much -- This Zig. For great justice!
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.30 21:15:00 - [18] How would it boost the Raven too much? ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.31 06:09:00 - [19] I don't quite see how the Raven would benefit most from this...care to elaborate? ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.31 08:13:00 - [20] because at the moment, my raven has enough fitting to fit 8 sieges, but i can only fit 6 due to hardpoints. with these changes, i think i could reasonably easily (maybe with 1 CPU mod though) fit 3 sieges, which would give me the equivalent of NINE old sieges. would you want to meet that? i sure wouldn't -- This Zig. For great justice!
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.31 08:16:00 - [21] Perhaps that is more indicative of a problem with the Raven (still =/) than a problem with my idea. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.31 09:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Perhaps that is more indicative of a problem with the Raven (still =/) than a problem with my idea. not realy a problem with the raven IMO. the raven is balanced to do a good DPS with its 6 missile hardpoints, leaving it 2 utility slots -- This Zig. For great justice!
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2005.10.31 09:13:00 - [23] Dual 425mm Autocannon IIs would become the new pwn and everyone would start training Minmatar. Some loyalists may stick with Gallente and use Electron Blaster Canon IIs. Amarr and Caldari would fall hopelessly behind with their massively gimped new fittings and cap usage
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.10.31 09:34:00 - [24] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 31/10/2005 09:35:18 Nevermind. Not worth the trouble. --- We are the underdogs, its best just to accept the fact. Khaldorn Murino
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.10.31 12:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Also, lets add in bonuses work on all weapons of that type. So All lasers would get a cap use reduction on an Amarr BS. It would really help if you take the time to describe properly what is the problem, and how your solution solves it. People who don't agree with your perception of a problem sure as hell won't agree with your solution. For me, your solution is a problem and your problem isn't one. And no, you can't have a solo pwnmobile. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- We are the underdogs, its best just to accept the fact. Khaldorn Murino
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.11.01 00:56:00 - [26] And now with the drone changes, who still thinks my idea is bad? What is wrong with wanting to solo without worrying about being attacked and being able to fight back? Frankly this 'Blob or Die' attitude is starting to **** me off. Some of us dont feel like we need to kill 20 nodes to fight. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:37:00 - [27] When I read about this idea the first time I thought it's not worth thinking about it (was about to hit reply and flame you). This would actually add more "realism" to the game. Still thinking about the fitting possibilitys...
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Bruchpilot (was about to hit reply and flame you) You wouldn't exactly be a pioneer there ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Dimitri Forgroth	Posted - 2005.11.01 01:43:00 - [29] Thought about it.. ..interesting idea, yeah. But would end up with battleships overpowered i think. (Being able to fit a full complement of battleship weapons, as well as frigate guns etc) DPS Sheet
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.11.01 02:23:00 - [30] It may be overpowered to a degree. But it would also make attacking certain types of targets more than just 5 minutes of shooting a tackled ship. ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0

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