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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:28:00 -
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I've dropped some coin on DUST too... just because it ties into my favorite game EvE, though.
There are a lot of fundamental problems. Driving vehicles is not fun. It's terrible. The control sucks. The controls suck. It's just bad. There's also no real point to anything. Sure you can join matches, but win or loose you'll get about the same pay and skill points either way. The "salvage" you get off of the battlefield is random and has nothing to do with player performance. In fact, nothing has much to do with player performance. I also like to collect stuff... but that's lost on the DUST devs. They remove items and dropsuits like it's the cool thing to do, and then just refund your isk or aurum when they take those items away. I want to move some of my stuff from my DUST guy to eve for safe keeping, since EvE CCP is a lot better about that stuff... but not only can't you move stuff... not only is there no economic or trade ties to eve still, but I'm convinced DUST is actually running mostly on an isolated database from EvE. So... wake-up call to anyone who thinks there's any chance of closer EvE/DUST ties coming soon... I started working on a list of DUST dropsuits like the one I made for spaceships. The items in DUST that are not 'red' are correct for people playing dust, but if you check out the links in EvE you see the red ones are still good and a bunch of the ones updated in DUST can't be viewed in EvE. This means EvE's view of items in DUST are distinctly separate from DUST. ...and just look at the dust items. If you view an item, it's got a low-bit icon... no bust of screen of the dropsuit. ...and a preview? Forget about it. The DUST items as we see them in EvE have less significance than NPC mission items. They are just placeholders, it looks like to me.
They need to make DUST fun. They need to fix vehicle control big time, and stop talking about the "meaning" of DUST and start actually showing it. Right now I can't see the point of anything in DUST for the individual FPS player. I"m just playing games, shooting people, and hoping this is all going somewhere.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.05.30 22:21:00 -
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Durzel wrote:Dust was always going to suffer against the likes of Battlefield and CoD, not only technically (this is CCP's first FPS, whereas Activision and DICE have had many cycles to hone their games) but also commercially - because Activision and EA can throw money at reviewers.
The big problem I think is that whilst EVE has the enviable position of being the premiere space MMO and therefore CCP has the luxury of being able to get things wrong, the whole "will get better in the years to come" model won't really work in the FPS space I don't think. BF4 and CoD 100 and beyond will leave it looking more and more lukewarm, and unless the Eve link starts to get some real teeth really fast, it's tough to see what longevity there will be in the game.
I think it's an attitude problem. CCP assumes they can pull on the FPS community what they pull on us. The difference is there's nothing remotely as good in the 'flying in space' mmo market as EvE so we as players have no choice but to take it. We can complain all we want about the state of EvE development, but since EvE is the best one out there CCP can do no wrong.. we'll take it because we are spaceship geeks and there's nothing else worth trying right now. In the FPS world, however, DUST is not on top. There isn't much that separates DUST from CoD, BF4, or Halo other than a long list of gameplay shortcomings and undelivered projections about 'the future' of the presently non-existent DUST/EvE link.
I think CCP should look at both of their games from the perspective of a company trying to just now break into the market. Aggressive development is going to be critical if there's to be a 'second decade'.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.05.30 23:32:00 -
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DUST to-date... my experience of watching DUST trailers, anticipating the game, disappointment in the demo, and watching DUST CCP reacting (if you can call it that) to suggestions, reminds me a lot of Aliens: Colonial Marines.
Check it out:
DUST 514 announcement demo:DUST 514 demo | DUST as it actually is
- Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
- Vehicle control is a lot better. Let's see anyone in DUST right now driving like they do in this demo.
- Graphics a lot better in demo.
- Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
- Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.
Aliens: Colonial Marines in-progress demo:Demo vs Final Product
- Better explosions, textures, and effects, it's a different game engine than final product (ended up using Unreal 3. Unreal 4 available but too expensive for game, I guess.).
- Graphics a lot better in demo than final.
- Lots of features in demo omitted from final game.
- Developer commits to continued updates and new features. Has yet to overcome most of the original criticism, or match their demo.
It's the same thing.
I'm not trying to diss DUST too much... I want to see it successful. I've spent a decent amount of rl cash to support it too. However, you have to look at the reality of the situation: DUST is free. My time is not. If the game isn't good RIGHT NOW, it's not a good game. Maybe it can be a good game in the future... but it needs to get real quick and there's not much sign of anything but little tweaks coming up in the near future.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.05.31 04:11:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:update is coming in two weeks. That not quick enough for ya? source.
If by "update" you mean a couple of teaks, than "no" because it doesn't count. We need a lot more than pushing a couple damage sliders around, I think you'll agree.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I wonder why it is that some here are so desperate for dust to fail.
I'm genuinely not.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.06.01 02:48:00 -
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Whatever. My spaceship has places to be anyway... 
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:13:00 -
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I'm in space....
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:23:00 -
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floating in space wrote:Why does CCP do things like this to themselves
Outsourced to Timegate *cough* I mean Shanghai.
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