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Hast
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: slothe as to why v are friendly with 5 im often at a loss, i think 5 treat v in private with very little respect, almost contemptuously as underlings.
This shows how little you really know about how we treat our friends and comrades. V have been a trusted ally of us since the beginning. They have proven once and again that they will come to our aid if needed and is able to stand on their own feet if they need to do so. Light Darkness has also shown on multiple occations that he has brass the size of something huge and is good at what he does.
So stop trying to split us up. It didnt work when you tried to do it with the corps in the alliance and it wont work now with our allies.
We are more determined then ever right now, you will know soon enough. You have thrown everything you got at us and then some and we are still standing strong. Perhaps even stronger then ever.
You will know what I mean soon enough. I just got to get a new fan for my gfx card... 
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Slender Brenda
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:59:00 -
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-V-/FOE/the others did outnumber us in total, and by far in BS/HACs. --------------------------- George Bush "I believe the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" |

LcGhK9
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: LcGhK9 on 31/10/2005 18:00:19
Originally by: NAFnist
Originally by: Skape Gote
Originally by: pershphanie
As far as us loosing 54 in a 50v50 fight. lol. ummmmm.
You know those figures add up cos when your pod gets ass raped that means you die twice. Stop trying to spin out the fact that you got your ass handed to you even though you attempted to lag out the system with drones. How pathetic are you?
get lost, troll
Sorry they podded you, get over it.  
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unforg1ven
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:12:00 -
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OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO , i thot there was not going to be a fight and logged ... grrr....   
I <3 LD
Its the GODS way . . . The Good Way.
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Aeon
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Slender Brenda -V-/FOE/the others did outnumber us in total, and by far in BS/HACs.
I did not have that impression to be honest. While I didn't fraps it I did manage to make a screenshot of the battle just as it started and made a quick count. Here's the result:
C2X unedited C2X with count
Initial ships V vs FE BS........... 15 vs 20 Cruiser.... 10 vs 12 Frig.......... 3 vs 15
As I was with the last wave of battleships jumping in everyone should have been in the system by the time we all decloaked simultaniously by means of regroup. The ships that you can see on the screenshot is all that jumped in minus those that had auto-warped off already because of the massive lag or which even disconnected. Some of those never made it back and I doubt those who did came back would be the decisive factor to turn the tide.
Oh and bear in mind that I can't count really 
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Jadon
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:21:00 -
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Where you doing the whole primary target, secondary target in that thing? or were you haveing some crusiers target frigs at will, so then you could warp, while the BS's lay on the hurt?
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maria stallion
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:36:00 -
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Lets hope the next battel will be with less lagg. And lets hope [5] won't start flaming another topic with the same bullsh*t everytime.
We know that you own everybody and we know that everybody sucks compared to you. That why you lost all your space and you are still fighting the same people over and over...
that's why I like V more, they talk less, have way more respect and now how to fight in equal battles.
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LcGhK9
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: maria stallion Lets hope the next battel will be with less lagg. And lets hope [5] won't start flaming another topic with the same bullsh*t everytime.
We know that you own everybody and we know that everybody sucks compared to you. That why you lost all your space and you are still fighting the same people over and over...
that's why I like V more, they talk less, have way more respect and now how to fight in equal battles.
Five didnt want to play the POS war, thats why they gave up the territory game, and left? There still where they where before, just not bothered with the whole POS thing. When Titans come out, they will turn into the first gypsy corp, Then they could be the first alliance to ransom a alliance to leave their space 
Their are smacktalkers in every alliance, dont forget about your mangus... and his "OMG 5 ARE DEAD!LMAO!!" "WE ARE WINNING LMAO!" etc...
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid so who won
It's always the winners who starts these threads.
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Lexa A
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:42:00 -
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All this talk of lag is relly takeing it away the lag was proberly worse on our side hek i even had to re log but once i was in combat god did i have fun 28% struc on a raven scary times. i expected to die and to be honest i had a amazing time now lets stop all this talk about lag... and give all partys involved a round of exotic dancers and rum 
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2005.11.01 09:21:00 -
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A good post Hast! It is expressing our understanding of working together, too.
The little competition which ally is more capable of causing damage to our joined enemy is also very constructive ... for our common goals. We stay relaxed and keep on doing our game as you do.
In regards of the fight: I was a little sad finding only cheap T1 stuff in the can's afterwards, but I'm sure this was only bad luck for me - an exception so to say. If it wasn't one could asume that the result was very clear before. I think I'll expand my business as a trader towards Lonetrek region - there may be a good business opportunity as there will be more good fights soon ...
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Crimson Smith
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Posted - 2005.11.01 11:18:00 -
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Capt Black- you got a lil bit of poo on the end of your nose  Gin is my co-pilot.
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.11.01 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 01/11/2005 13:04:27
Originally by: Aeon
Oh and bear in mind that I can't count really 
No need to state the obvious 
You had us outnumbered with about 60 vs 45, and you had about 15 BS more than we did. And I am pretty sure you had scouts on our side, just as we had scouts on your side, so we both know this is the truth.
It was still a good fight though.
EDIT: just to be clear, I am talking about the total numbers, not the numbers of VI and FE.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.01 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 01/11/2005 13:04:27
Originally by: Aeon
Oh and bear in mind that I can't count really 
No need to state the obvious 
You had us outnumbered with about 60 vs 45, and you had about 15 BS more than we did. And I am pretty sure you had scouts on our side, just as we had scouts on your side, so we both know this is the truth.
It was still a good fight though.
EDIT: just to be clear, I am talking about the total numbers, not the numbers of VI and FE.
who's fault is that? You're the third biggest alliance in the game...
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Aeon
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Posted - 2005.11.01 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 01/11/2005 13:04:27
Originally by: Aeon
Oh and bear in mind that I can't count really 
No need to state the obvious 
You had us outnumbered with about 60 vs 45, and you had about 15 BS more than we did. And I am pretty sure you had scouts on our side, just as we had scouts on your side, so we both know this is the truth.
It was still a good fight though.
Sorry, but what part of my previous post didn't you read? all? 
The screenshot was made about 30 seconds after the last wave of battleships jumped in (no one came later) and 10 seconds after LD regrouped all ships (so no one cloaked here). It shows at least 50 hostiles and about 31 of our gang. There were more in the gang and that discrepancy can be explained by the fact that quite some ships auto-warped off even before the system had loaded, or simply crashed. Some never made it back and those who did came back minutes later, to the least.
Good fight indeed but don't say it wasn't a fair fight when you can't come up with facts.
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle You had us outnumbered with about 60 vs 45, and you had about 15 BS more than we did. And I am pretty sure you had scouts on our side, just as we had scouts on your side, so we both know this is the truth.
Hi, listen without getting into any long drawn out discussion about all this. Prove what your saying please... Im about 110% sure you cant prove that....
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Raid Hi, listen without getting into any long drawn out discussion about all this. Prove what your saying please... Im about 110% sure you cant prove that....
Can you prove that he is wrong?
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Raid Hi, listen without getting into any long drawn out discussion about all this. Prove what your saying please... Im about 110% sure you cant prove that....
Can you prove that he is wrong?
Yes... refer to post number 65. Please read the thread before replying again.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ras Blumin on 01/11/2005 16:48:38
Originally by: Raid Yes... refer to post number 65. Please read the thread before replying again.
I did. Did you?
Originally by: LD ~50 vs ~50
Originally by: LD -V- kills: Frig Class: 21
Originally by: Aeon The ships that you can see on the screenshot is all that jumped in minus those that had auto-warped off already because of the massive lag or which even disconnected. Some of those never made it back
Which basicly means you can't use the pic as proof. Not saying magnus is right, and I weren't there, so I wouldn't know, but neither of you can really prove anything.
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 01/11/2005 17:02:05
Originally by: Ras Blumin Edited by: Ras Blumin on 01/11/2005 16:48:38
Originally by: Raid Yes... refer to post number 65. Please read the thread before replying again.
I did. Did you?
Originally by: LD ~50 vs ~50
Originally by: LD -V- kills: Frig Class: 21
Originally by: Aeon The ships that you can see on the screenshot is all that jumped in minus those that had auto-warped off already because of the massive lag or which even disconnected. Some of those never made it back
Which basicly means you can't use the pic as proof. Not saying magnus is right, and I weren't there, so I wouldn't know, but neither of you can really prove anything.
No but given the information we have.. the numbers your corp-mate are putting up are a bit off. Without posting a link to places the mods dont want us to use i cant really give you more solid numbers.
However, the numbers your corp mate are putting up do seem to be off more than slightly. If he were to post up any proof or reason why his numbers are more acurate i would be more that willing to listen. But so far all i have is his word... and im sorry to say its not enough given the information we already have.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ras Blumin on 01/11/2005 17:11:39 nvm. tired.
p - l - u - r |

Blue Adept
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 01/11/2005 13:04:27
Originally by: Aeon
Oh and bear in mind that I can't count really 
No need to state the obvious 
You had us outnumbered with about 60 vs 45, and you had about 15 BS more than we did. And I am pretty sure you had scouts on our side, just as we had scouts on your side, so we both know this is the truth.
It was still a good fight though.
EDIT: just to be clear, I am talking about the total numbers, not the numbers of VI and FE.
who's fault is that? You're the third biggest alliance in the game...
Famine, since you weren't there I'll give you a few details of the background of the c2x fleet battle. V had pre-planned their 60 pilot gang with FOE at the 0.0 entrance in m-o (a few hops from c2x). V had multiple haulers and small towers that they were deploying. FE responded with whomever happened to be in Tribute at the time and fought in c2x. We had other gangs active in empire who were busy with [5] and Stain Allaince.
We could have waited for our numbers to keep growing, but our gang in c2x did not mind fighting undergunned.
-Blue Adept.
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Minnow maught
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Posted - 2005.11.01 18:32:00 -
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Well to be honest I think the overall numbers were very close appx 50 a side .... we (V and FOE) had 57 in gang but not all were present in C2X. -V- probably had the edge with regard BS's but not greatly perhaps 3-4 more. I understand that V represented appx 40 of the 50 ships present. To be honest, about half way through the fight I actually thought we were loosing as when zoomed out there appeared to be far more RED on the screen than PURPLE.
Bottom Line ... no one can prove numbers as no one trusts each others Killboards which is fair enough ..... you can only go by what you feel and remember of the engagement. It would be a real pity to see this thread get reduced to an arguement of actual numbers. I enjoyed it, I think most of FE, V and FOE enjoyed it, lets leave it at that. Regardless of who 'Won' the battle, does it really matter ... its who wins the WAR that matters.
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maria stallion
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Posted - 2005.11.01 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Minnow maught Well to be honest I think the overall numbers were very close appx 50 a side .... we (V and FOE) had 57 in gang but not all were present in C2X. -V- probably had the edge with regard BS's but not greatly perhaps 3-4 more. I understand that V represented appx 40 of the 50 ships present. To be honest, about half way through the fight I actually thought we were loosing as when zoomed out there appeared to be far more RED on the screen than PURPLE.
Bottom Line ... no one can prove numbers as no one trusts each others Killboards which is fair enough ..... you can only go by what you feel and remember of the engagement. It would be a real pity to see this thread get reduced to an arguement of actual numbers. I enjoyed it, I think most of FE, V and FOE enjoyed it, lets leave it at that. Regardless of who 'Won' the battle, does it really matter ... its who wins the WAR that matters.
couldn't agree more :)
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2005.11.01 19:34:00 -
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Sodele.... (german slang)
Doesnt matter who won or who loose.
WE ALL got there a nice fight and fun. On BOTH sides. NOW let us remember at this fight and lets try to get a new one.
So from -V- please NO response here about counts or somethink.
For the pvp and fun....
Regards /LD
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command* *-V- Public Killboard*
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Kadarin
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:13:00 -
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FWIW, for what it's worth, I agree with LD; it was a good, fun battle, and I'm looking forward to being in more. -V- appears to now be a much stronger opponent now than they were back when Foundation was first fighting them in GW.
When my pod was killed, there were 17 people on the killmail. Ouch.
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Blue Adept
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness Sodele.... (german slang)
Doesnt matter who won or who loose.
WE ALL got there a nice fight and fun. On BOTH sides. NOW let us remember at this fight and lets try to get a new one.
So from -V- please NO response here about counts or somethink.
For the pvp and fun....
Regards /LD
I couldn't agree more with LD who's our #1 opposition right now. Both alliances gain from these kinds of fights. We get what a lot of other alliances are missing -- straight up combat.
It all starts at the top. The fleet commanders on both sides on that particular day decided they wanted a fight and weren't concerned about losing ships.
The FE fleet had moved from h-w going down to meet V's fleet in m-o. And while we were moving, the V fleet moved up and we meet in the middle. It was clear both fleet wanted to engage, and we did so in c2x. Cans and corpses were everywhere.
Let's do it again 
-Blue Adept.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:02:00 -
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I agree with LD and also with those that agreed 
However I believe that no one questioned the outcome of the battle here.. And for a thread in this place, that's probably not a common sight, so definitely big props to FE and friends there 
What the fuzz here really was about, was just because of one statement made by someone who couldn't back it up in any form whatsoever. And that's just a pity because lose statements like those can so easily degrade threads which started with nothing but good intentions.
But then again, it's not an uncommon thing to happen here, unfortunately.
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