The only point of dispute is Mr Epeen's opinion that ice harvesting is "not really playing the game." One could say the thing about hisec wardecs, gate camping, AFK structure bashing in dread fleets, AFK autopilot freighter hauling, station spinning, market trading, or leading a major alliance while not even logging in to the game.

That said, I've been logging in when I wake up and logging out when I go to bed. I'd say I've been mining 13 -15 hours a day average with a total of about twenty minutes of that at the keyboard. It doesn't take long to build up a pile of ice blocks when you are working from home as I am now.

That's what I was getting at in the OP. You won't be able to play like that after Odyssey.

My OP was an observation about ice mining. Not belt mining.

So...no... I don't think I'll belt mine for a week just to have you then propose 'test 3'. Mostly because your tangential requests have nothing to do with anything.

Mr Epeen

Spend the same amount of time mining Veldspar, don't even look for Dense or anything, Generic Veldspar and mine it for the same number of hours, sell that Veld and buy Ice or simply look at your ISK made. Hell, Mine Veld for an hour, look at how much ISK you made. It will be at least double what you made mining Ice.

Point is, why anyone mines ice except a Macro is a mystery..

CCP is changing the ice mining because of bots not because of your opinion on ice mining, most of "mainstream" (ratting in null, running l4s in hs or l5s/anoms in ls/wh, trading) ways to get isk in eve are boring and dull so what's your point? I won't play a game to get bored but if people have the patience to rat/mine/whatever more power to them but I won't whine like a big baby because they are doing so.

That said, I've been logging in when I wake up and logging out when I go to bed. I'd say I've been mining 13 -15 hours a day average with a total of about twenty minutes of that at the keyboard. It doesn't take long to build up a pile of ice blocks when you are working from home as I am now.

That's what I was getting at in the OP. You won't be able to play like that after Odyssey.

Mr Epeen

I play for real

want to know a secret?

odyssey doesn't change that.

It changes it a little. The hold will fill twice as fast, the roids will pop, and many time when you log in there will be no ice.

Now imagine if you used 20 accounts with isboxer. Instead of 1.5 billion you would have gotten 30 billion. In a week. Even after paying for all the PLEX you will still get well over a Titan a month.

That's another thing the new ice system will break: Isboxer. Before you could have all the clients do a "Warp to the top bookmark" and they would all warp to different places in the ice belt (as you gave each client a different top BM). They did not even have to be in the same solar system! But now.. there is no "warp to the ice anomaly" command that isboxer can replicate to all the clients.

I want to tell you about this thing called fleet warp.

After seven years I thought I might as well see what all the drama with this was about.

I parked a Mack in an ice belt and AFKed my way to 1.5B worth at current regional average

Isboxer

After seven years I thought I might as well see what all the drama with this was about.

I parked a Mack in an ice belt and AFKed my way to 1.5B worth at current regional average.

It's certainly one of the easier ways to make money. Possibly more lucrative than PO2 character selling. But to be honest, not exactly a fulfilling way to earn ISK. I'm surprised that it took CCP so long to come up with an alternative since it's not really playing the game when you can sit in a massively tanked Exhumer with a huge ore hold only checking in every once in a while to see if it's full yet.

While this is likely the only time I will ever do this type of profession, I think it's a good thing for all that CCP has made it into a profession that requires some actual interaction with the game.

Mr Epeen