After seven years I thought I might as well see what all the drama with this was about.

I parked a Mack in an ice belt and AFKed my way to 1.5B worth at current regional average.

It's certainly one of the easier ways to make money. Possibly more lucrative than PO2 character selling. But to be honest, not exactly a fulfilling way to earn ISK. I'm surprised that it took CCP so long to come up with an alternative since it's not really playing the game when you can sit in a massively tanked Exhumer with a huge ore hold only checking in every once in a while to see if it's full yet.

While this is likely the only time I will ever do this type of profession, I think it's a good thing for all that CCP has made it into a profession that requires some actual interaction with the game.

Mr Epeen

You made it to 1,5 bill? By about 100 million I was unable to continue. Yet another thing I regret training to try...

After seven years I thought I might as well see what all the drama with this was about.

I parked a Mack in an ice belt and AFKed my way to 1.5B worth at current regional average.

It's certainly one of the easier ways to make money. Possibly more lucrative than PO2 character selling. But to be honest, not exactly a fulfilling way to earn ISK. I'm surprised that it took CCP so long to come up with an alternative since it's not really playing the game when you can sit in a massively tanked Exhumer with a huge ore hold only checking in every once in a while to see if it's full yet.

While this is likely the only time I will ever do this type of profession, I think it's a good thing for all that CCP has made it into a profession that requires some actual interaction with the game.

Mr Epeen

You did it for a week?

it's not really playing the game when you can sit in a massively tanked Exhumer with a huge ore hold only checking in every once in a while to see if it's full yet.

odyssey doesn't change that.

At least you have to change location every 4 hours or so. That is an improvement .

Not in a quiet backend system you wont, but, yes, mostly you will have to move every 50 mins in the busy systems

I don't mine ice but when I do it goes in my scotch.

This was never the way I planned, not my intention.
I got so brave, drink in hand, lost my discretion
It's not what I'm used to, just wanna try you on.
I'm curious for you, caught my attention.

I mined some Ice and I liked it,
the taste of its liquid ozone.
I mined some Ice just to try it,
I hope my mission agent don't mind it.
It felt so wrong,
it felt so right.
Don't mean I'm in AFK tonight.
I mined some Ice and I liked it (I liked it).

No, I don't even know which belt, it doesn't matter.
You're my experimental game, just human nature.
It's not what griefers do, not how they should behave.
My head gets so confused, hard to obey.

I mined some Ice and I liked it,
the taste of its liquid ozone.
I mined some Ice just to try it,
I hope my mission agent don't mind it.
It felt so wrong,
it felt so right.
Don't mean I'm in AFK tonight.
I mined some Ice and I liked it (I liked it).

Us miners we are so magical,
No tank, sitting still, so fragile.
Hard to resist, so gankable.
Too easy to deny it.
Ain't no big deal, it's innocent.

I mined some Ice and I liked it,
the taste of its liquid ozone.
I mined some Ice just to try it,
I hope my mission agent don't mind it.
It felt so wrong,
it felt so right.
Don't mean I'm in AFK tonight.
I mined some Ice and I liked it (I liked it).

Yeah. A week or more.

And for loci.

Mr Epeen

GǪ since it's not really playing the game when you can sit in a massively tanked Exhumer with a huge ore hold only checking in every once in a while to see if it's full yet.

While this is likely the only time I will ever do this type of profession, I think it's a good thing for all that CCP has made it into a profession that requires some actual interaction with the game.

Now for test 2.
Go mine Veldspar in .8 for the same amount of time, sell it all and buy Ice. See how much you have.

The Mackinaw provides an overpowered combination of huge ore hold, second best yield, and huge tank. That a particular ship is overpowered doesn't mean that the activity that ship is used for is broken: it just means that the particular ship is broken. The Mackinaw is the "nanofag" of mining.

And yet they are doubling the ice cycle speed ...

Yup. Which only means one thing: harvesting ice in a Mackinaw while AFK is doing it right, according to CCP.

I shudder to think of what a player named "ePeen" does when AFK.

You lie.

It takes 2 hours to fill the average Orca with Ice WITH A HULK.

That gets you 32,000,000 ISK.

To get a total of 1,500,000,000, would take 46 Orcas worth, which would require a solid nonstop 92 hours which is over 13 solid non-stop days.

I doubt that occurred.

And these figures are with an Orca Boost.

You had no Orca boost I assume, and all Exhumers are slower than a Hulk.

It would have taken you at least close to a month of painful boredom.

Nobody does it except bots.

I get 3 Billion a month from my own Ice mining and PI, and spend maybe 15 hours a month on the actual mining, if, which is all I can tolerate.

Quit lying to the playerbase please. You are embarrassing yourself.

To get a total of 1,500,000,000, would take 46 Orcas worth, which would require a solid nonstop 92 hours which is over 13 solid non-stop days.

The only point of dispute is Mr Epeen's opinion that ice harvesting is "not really playing the game." One could say the thing about hisec wardecs, gate camping, AFK structure bashing in dread fleets, AFK autopilot freighter hauling, station spinning, market trading, or leading a major alliance while not even logging in to the game.

That said, I've been logging in when I wake up and logging out when I go to bed. I'd say I've been mining 13 -15 hours a day average with a total of about twenty minutes of that at the keyboard. It doesn't take long to build up a pile of ice blocks when you are working from home as I am now.

That's what I was getting at in the OP. You won't be able to play like that after Odyssey.

My OP was an observation about ice mining. Not belt mining.

So...no... I don't think I'll belt mine for a week just to have you then propose 'test 3'. Mostly because your tangential requests have nothing to do with anything.

Mr Epeen

Spend the same amount of time mining Veldspar, don't even look for Dense or anything, Generic Veldspar and mine it for the same number of hours, sell that Veld and buy Ice or simply look at your ISK made. Hell, Mine Veld for an hour, look at how much ISK you made. It will be at least double what you made mining Ice.

Point is, why anyone mines ice except a Macro is a mystery..

CCP is changing the ice mining because of bots not because of your opinion on ice mining, most of "mainstream" (ratting in null, running l4s in hs or l5s/anoms in ls/wh, trading) ways to get isk in eve are boring and dull so what's your point? I won't play a game to get bored but if people have the patience to rat/mine/whatever more power to them but I won't whine like a big baby because they are doing so.

That said, I've been logging in when I wake up and logging out when I go to bed. I'd say I've been mining 13 -15 hours a day average with a total of about twenty minutes of that at the keyboard. It doesn't take long to build up a pile of ice blocks when you are working from home as I am now.

That's what I was getting at in the OP. You won't be able to play like that after Odyssey.

Mr Epeen

I play for real

want to know a secret?

odyssey doesn't change that.

It changes it a little. The hold will fill twice as fast, the roids will pop, and many time when you log in there will be no ice.

Now imagine if you used 20 accounts with isboxer. Instead of 1.5 billion you would have gotten 30 billion. In a week. Even after paying for all the PLEX you will still get well over a Titan a month.

That's another thing the new ice system will break: Isboxer. Before you could have all the clients do a "Warp to the top bookmark" and they would all warp to different places in the ice belt (as you gave each client a different top BM). They did not even have to be in the same solar system! But now.. there is no "warp to the ice anomaly" command that isboxer can replicate to all the clients.

I want to tell you about this thing called fleet warp.

After seven years I thought I might as well see what all the drama with this was about.

I parked a Mack in an ice belt and AFKed my way to 1.5B worth at current regional average

Isboxer

After seven years I thought I might as well see what all the drama with this was about.

I parked a Mack in an ice belt and AFKed my way to 1.5B worth at current regional average.

It's certainly one of the easier ways to make money. Possibly more lucrative than PO2 character selling. But to be honest, not exactly a fulfilling way to earn ISK. I'm surprised that it took CCP so long to come up with an alternative since it's not really playing the game when you can sit in a massively tanked Exhumer with a huge ore hold only checking in every once in a while to see if it's full yet.

While this is likely the only time I will ever do this type of profession, I think it's a good thing for all that CCP has made it into a profession that requires some actual interaction with the game.

Mr Epeen