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HairyGary
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:41:00 -
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So, I've been playing just shy of a month now, and I "could" afford a battleship ('geddon or apoc, haven't decided which I'd rather get at this point). If I choose to train for it, I should be able to fly and arm one in about a week and a half. I'm wondering if I should bother at this point, however, so I'm looking for some advice.
First of all, I want one strictly to make money (primarily to fund smaller, cheaper, faster ships for learning the ropes of PvP in Eve with). I dabble in a bit of everything (mining, missions, running complexes, ratting). It appears as though I'd be able to substantially increase my income doing these activities with a battleship (currently using a Maller).
Alternatively, I could get a battlecruiser, but this seems like an unnecessary (but cheaper) step.
Other than the cost of purchasing and outfitting a BS, is there any reason I'm missing as to why I should just get the BC instead?
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:45:00 -
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As a general rule of thumb, i say don't fly a bs without all relevent skills (gunnery/missles, fitting, cap, etc) at level 4, or mostly at level 4. If you are just using it for pvp you can probably get away with less and not lose it.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:05:00 -
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i wouldn't fly a BS for anything but mining till i had at least 3mil SP (well, i wouldn't mine either, but thats just cos i don't mine)
even then, i would not take it into PvP. don't fly a BS in PvP till you have a good setup and good skills on your BS and some PvP experience in smaller, cheaper ships.
one thing to remember is that your BS will NOT hit frigates at all without a webber (or 2) and some fairly good skills. for low level missions and complexes, here is my advice: use a battlecrusier. it would benefit you MUCH more at this point in the game --
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Cilppiz
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:24:00 -
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And as long as you cant afford to loose your BS+fitting keep it in hangar
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: HairyGary Alternatively, I could get a battlecruiser, but this seems like an unnecessary (but cheaper) step.
Other than the cost of purchasing and outfitting a BS, is there any reason I'm missing as to why I should just get the BC instead?
The BC's are good for what they do, if i was you i wouldnt think about flying a BS until you have the gunnary and engineering skills to fit it properly.
A Ferox or Prophacy can be just as good as doing level 3 missions at a fraction of the cost, infact most people who fly bses on lvl 3 missions fit cruiser guns which are kind of pointless in my oppininion where as the BC gets bonuses to cruiser guns which make them ideal for level 3's
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:10:00 -
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3mil sp its for the laughs lololol. In order to properly fly a bs u need at least 8mil in gunnery/missiles eng/elect/mech i have almost 7mil full in pvp and i dont even think of flying a bs.
you may need lesser sp if u train specific for bs but again u need much more than 3mil in order to pvp in a bs and put up a decent fight. Even for rathunting in 0.0 u need alot of sp except if u will use a raven. All the people want to fly bs right away dont know why since most of bs people fly ceptors/af/hacs for pvp cause its much more fun. so dont hurry to fly a bs u can enjoy fighting with smaller ships and fly a bs when its time. Dont be a noob with a big ship :P
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:18:00 -
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10mil at lest overall
oh if ur after a raven, 4-5mil :P
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:23:00 -
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If you want to make money from missions, buy a BS as soon as you fancy it.
Mount it with all medium guns and you can walk all level 3s.
Mount it with real guns and you can solo level 4's with very few skill points as long as you're good.
All these people who say you 'cant' or 'shouldnt' fly certain ships in PvE without x amount of SP, are lacking in ability.
PvP is of course a different matter. But for PvE, do whatever makes you money fastest. With low SPs, this is a Battleship. _______________________________
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Pestillence
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: DoMxj 3mil sp its for the laughs lololol. In order to properly fly a bs u need at least 8mil in gunnery/missiles eng/elect/mech i have almost 7mil full in pvp and i dont even think of flying a bs.
you may need lesser sp if u train specific for bs but again u need much more than 3mil in order to pvp in a bs and put up a decent fight. Even for rathunting in 0.0 u need alot of sp except if u will use a raven. All the people want to fly bs right away dont know why since most of bs people fly ceptors/af/hacs for pvp cause its much more fun. so dont hurry to fly a bs u can enjoy fighting with smaller ships and fly a bs when its time. Dont be a noob with a big ship :P
dont listen to advice where people say "lolol".
Like testy said, its fine to be a noob in the ship, just admit your limitations. The second you think "I'm in a bs I'll kick everybodies ass" is the day you will lose it to a solo interceptor.
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Skaaj
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:43:00 -
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Dude.... you are in a maller....
Get amarr cruaser to lvl 5, even at level 4 the maller can easily solo all lvl 3 missions.
setup: High Slots - 5 * Medium Pulse Laser 2s (small lasers), Med Nos
Med Slots - AB (named), 2 * cap rechargers
Low Slots - Armor rep t2s, 3 hardeners, tungstan plate, cap relay
For pvp swap the two cap rechargers for a webber and/or a scrambler.
It's quite cap hungry but I think I found the balance with my skills with the above setup.
This quite happily solo's the angel extravaganser, and it didnt take long either.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic If you are just using it for pvp you can probably get away with less and not lose it.
You mean PVE right?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:54:00 -
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If u want a BS, get a BS.... how cares bout having all the rite skills... its a game...
i see something i like... i MUST have it.
d solo.
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Praenor
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Posted - 2005.11.01 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Praenor on 01/11/2005 13:08:36 Something to think about: for mining, the apoc is second only to the covetor mining barge.
For solo mission-running, you're probably better off in a prophecy. They are faster and so can finish lvl3 missions faster. Much faster if you like to pick up loot during the mission. You won't be able to solo many lvl4's in any ship without more sp's. An apoc can do lvl4's with a friend pretty easily though, if you fit a godly armor tank (two good, preferably t2, large armor reps are a must). |
Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2005.11.01 13:07:00 -
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Amen Darth.
I have ships in my hangars with full fittings, that I cant even fly yet, is how much I liked the look of them :P _______________________________
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2005.11.01 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo If u want a BS, get a BS.... how cares bout having all the rite skills... its a game...
i see something i like... i MUST have it.
d solo.
Agreed. Have fun with whatever you want, just factor in the loss.
Or plan exactly what you'll be doing and train for it. There are enough tools around to figure the exact skill levels for a specific setup and purpose. ------------------------------
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.11.01 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Praenor An apoc can do lvl4's with a friend pretty easily though, if you fit a godly armor tank (two good, preferably t2, large armor reps are a must).
you can do them pretty easily solo too..
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.11.01 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo If u want a BS, get a BS.... how cares bout having all the rite skills... its a game...
i see something i like... i MUST have it.
d solo.
True dat. But don't come whining here if you lose it. ^^
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:13:00 -
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A BS with only a million skill points
Please don't do it please... You should be messign about in a cruiser or maybe a battle cruiser (in a month). When at 3 million skill points you can take your first BS into a lvl3 mision and get it blown up, just because they make a nice sound when they go BOOM.
Then when you actualy know how to fly your BS at about 5 to 6 million skill points you should be able to fly it into PvP and get it blown up just because the look on your face reflected in the monitor will make even you laugh at that point.
Personaly at +15 Milion skill points I'm still spending most of my time in a battle cruiser and only getting into a BS for trying my luck on a solo lvl4 mision.
BS's are fun and have their uses. But with the patches and the work that CCP is putting in making us all flying a frigate or cruiser means that a BS currently is moving more and more towards being only usefull against other BS's and in defence against bigger ships like Dreads and the like. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
Zoldron
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:19:00 -
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I have a battleship and less than a million skill points.
I built a Dominix. I was originially going to go mining barge, but figured I wanted to solo lower sec areas one day and maybe run some higher level mission. It does quite well at mining... My vexor cruiser pulled about 425 m3/min with drones, my Dominix does nearly 700. I can currently have out 9 drones at a time, and carry a healthy supply of mixed heavy attack drones, medium scout drones, and mining drones.
It also tanks very well.
I use it for mining, and will eventually run some missions. Although I have travelled through a .4 system to get to my current HQ, I will not be using it in low sec operations until I have made myself a spare. I went ahead and got a 3 copy bpc for 2 million... One for a daily driver, one for a spare, and one to sell for 60 million.
I'm thrilled with my BS. Despite what these people might say about minimum skill points, it does what I want to do extremely well - Mine without fear of PvE rats. Eventually I'll start mining in .3 or .2. I may take some losses then, but I have a spare. With warp core stabilizers and good tanking, I will hopefully be able to dock before getting destroyed, but I know I may loose some ships. That's why I'm in high sec till I have a spare.
These skill limits that pepople reccomend are definatly good guidlines for PvP... I can't even fit large guns yet. But battleships are highly versatile crafts, and useful in variety of roles. When I start PvE missions, I will probably be in my friate, cruiser, or BC for most of them. But for what I want, and that's versatility, the BS is the best tool for the job.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:22:00 -
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How do people afford battleships after a month in-game? Really?
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Josclyn Verreuil
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Posted - 2005.11.01 16:43:00 -
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If you're looking at running missions/mining then sure a BS would be fine. I wouldn't look at trying to take one into PvP for another few million SP at least though :)
Seeing as you're Amarr though, my understanding is that the Prophecy can easially do lvl 3s. As Gallente I'm currently flying a Dominix with similar SPs to yours just because I didn't feel the brutix was worth buying. ~Verreuil Inc. |
HairyGary
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Posted - 2005.11.01 19:25:00 -
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Well, like I (thought) I said in my first post - I'm not looking at it for PvPing. I want it to fund PvPing in smaller, more affordable to lose ships. This would be a strictly PvE and mining ship for a long, long time.
With that said, I've decided to go for the Prophecy, just because I can afford to lose several of them in case I screw up - and, anyway, I'll easily make back the money I spend on it in the time it would take me to train just cruisers 4 for the battleship, so it should be a win-win all around.
Quote: You should be messign about in a cruiser or maybe a battle cruiser (in a month). When at 3 million skill points you can take your first BS into a lvl3 mision and get it blown up, just because they make a nice sound when they go BOOM.
I started running level 3s in my maller last night...it was a challenge but I haven't gotten it blown up yet. I think I'd have to struggle to get a battleship blown up in there. I haven't done any of the harder missions I hear about so often yet, however.
It's a bit slow at the moment - I can't tank them very well so I've been sniping instead. Should be able to use a tech2 armor repper tomorrow, which will help a lot.
Quote: How do people afford battleships after a month in-game? Really?
Lots of effort and a bit of luck. I've consistently made a lot of money to begin with (missions, complexes, mining if I'm feeling lazy or risk averse, ore thieving from macro miners), and that's been punctuated by some very nice drops.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:41:00 -
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You all have it too easy.
In my day...
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Naurhir
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Naurhir on 01/11/2005 21:53:15 I was flying my bs in 0.0 killing 3 bs spawns with 1.8mil sp. It is possible, you just gotta have all your sp in the right spots really. I still have cap issues since I am only at 2.2mil sp now, but I have killed two 1.5mil bs and a 1mil bs at the same time including frig web/jam tacklers.
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Sam Trip
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Posted - 2005.11.01 22:05:00 -
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BS at 1.8 mill? If that was pretty recent with all the troubles it takes to take smaller frigs with larger guns then rather impressive...however if it was before all that and large guns were the end all and if not then SBs/drones.
And btw when to train for BS? never ever do it...dont ever, focus on bein badass by goin with Inties, AFs and HACs :D
I have 14mill + skills and not a single drop in BS specialised skills, heck i dont even have the books. I took up killing bigger spawns for the same reasons as you, to fund PvPing in smaller ships except now by smaller ships, its more like tech 1 ships and inties/AFs. Even specialised ships like the Eagle.
But if u really have to then wait till you can kit out one of the recommended and approved setups on these forums...and after that make sure your damn efficient about it with cap skills/tanking skills/gunnery/missile skills.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.11.01 22:07:00 -
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When I had 1 mil sp, we didnt even have ships, we used to strap mwd to a cargo container and travel like that. Spoiled brats.
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Naurhir
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Posted - 2005.11.02 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Naurhir on 02/11/2005 22:33:03 My char is under 3 months old, so we are talking very recent. I was hunting sanshas in an apoc, though bloodraiders are also an option for me, and relatively the same thing as sanshas.
Dual webs and drones / or sb depending on their orbit range takes care of the frigates, cruisers I would mwd to and web them one at a time and then unload on them (dual heavy beams with multifreqs), and then bs I would load gamma or xray crystals in and kill. Granted I have some low low low dps and wouldn't even dream of taking the bs into pvp, it works great as a money maker for me.
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