So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).

This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?

Seems like you are one of few that want content rich expansions instead of fixes. Get out off your CQ go outside so we can kill you.

CCP has gotten their promises and expectations management under control; Never promise anything concrete for now, but hint at things for the future. Never let the players expect something, but let them feel special when they get bread crumbs.

Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.

Complain when you pay -ú50 for an expansion and get nothing. You forget all the under the hood stuff as well they do to prepare for later ones.

So much market speculation stuff, warfare stuff and exploration changes in this one anyway.

You know wow is that way, you can play pokewow now and plants vs zombies in it too

but the expansion is a bit barebones. Honestly I wouldn't mind except for the fact that the last expansion was pretty meagre too. No chance of a big ol' pomp-and-ceremony expansion at some point in the near future?

Given that this game is a sandbox where the content is player-driven, how can people then rage that CCP are not delivering "content" in an xpac?

Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.

Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.

Clearly you dont fly an Apoc or any Navy Issue BSes.

Although this expansion doesn't even vaguely compare to the Incarna micro-transactions disaster, I have to say I agree that I am a little disappointed. They said they wanted to make changes that would affect everyone, and frankly I don't see much changing in highsec or lowsec.



Of course, this is a sandbox and we make the content. This person gets it. Lets remove all the ships, POSes, sov mechanics, Industrial stuff and just fly around in our pods. We can make the content ourselves *Facepalm*

Clearly you don't know what "content" refers to, as opposed to changing some numbers on a database. I'm well aware of tiericide and the revamps, but these are not new, they are necessary.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).

incarna offered nothing .

CLEARLY you havent a clue whats being done, so I have no idea what "content" you think is missing and should be added.

CLEARLY (yep this is gonna become a game of oneupsmanship) you're overestimating what's being done. We've had near half of the actual "content" already in the form of the capital and station V3 being added to TQ pre-odyssey. It's great that the little bits of content are being added, but there's nothing magnificent or major that will keep you interested past the day it'll take to get used to the new jumpgate animation or the system scanner animation. Think apocrypha - the last few expansions have been "little" things; where are the plans for something "big"?

The CQ was fine. But it was less than half of what everyone was expecting, and it still is. We got one room. Just one. The reason people were pissed at CCP over that expansion was because of the low level of stuff we got to do in-game following the expansion. Also, the greed is good rubbish caused more kicking off than the CQ ever would. They removed ship spinning completely (stupid), and a lot of other stupid mistakes.

CQ would have been welcomed with open arms if they hadn't of messed up so badly. Having said that, Incarna set the stage because Incarna is when they integrated the CARBON engine. And that is probably the best thing that ever happened to Eve (EVER), but no one want's to think Incarna brought Eve the best update ever. It did though. CARBON made Time Dilation possible, and the crime watch changes, and many of the UI issues. It massively improved game performance in almost every area and allowed for a lot of the graphics updates we're seeing now. All of this stuff started in Crucible, the next expansion after Incarna, because Incarna set it up that way. And Crucible was easily the best expansion we have ever had excluding Apocrypha (I personally prefer Crucible, but I understand why most think Apocypha was better).



See above.



If you can't see why that statement is straight up stupid, I wont bother trying to correct you.

CLEARLY (yep this is gonna become a game of oneupsmanship) you're overestimating what's being done. We've had near half of the actual "content" already in the form of the capital and station V3 being added to TQ pre-odyssey. It's great that the little bits of content are being added, but there's nothing magnificent or major that will keep you interested past the day it'll take to get used to the new jumpgate animation or the system scanner animation. Think apocrypha - the last few expansions have been "little" things; where are the plans for something "big"?

o.o

I am astonished memories are so short! CCP were keel-hauled for focusing on the "big" to the detriment of the "little". They got a real scare when $1million+ worth of accounts unsubbed over this approach.

There is no pleasing some people!

I cannot rage toward subject (EVE) which I am indifferent to.

Also EVE "expansions" are best illustration of idea "free = bad" (well, they aren't actually free / non-commercial - just not purchasable - thus lack of content)

however you're entitled to your opinion even if it is hideously wrong.

Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.

By it's very definition, an opinion cannot be wrong. Just saying.

Fixes are constant with mmo's, Content is always needed.

All this back and forth rambling aside about content, I think we just had a tiny bit of rage the other day about the simplicity of the scanners from people who actually enjoy exploring things.....so there's that.

I don't really know anything about it.... just read this the other day and from the OP it sounds like everything auto-explores now with one click.

The reason so few are raging is because while there isn't anything NEW and SHINY being added except Navy Battlecruisers, a lot of stuff is being fixed, revamped and reworked. For those that remember, this is Quantum Rise all over again, except instead of optimizations released just before the expansion, we get the EvE Launcher debacle.

With Incarna things were FORCED upon us that we did not want, which goes a long way towards explaining the rage. In Odyssey there's something for almost everyone.

So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).

So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).

Go back to learning about the world through newspapers. This doesnt concern you.

CQ was an expansion that added nothing to the game for most people who play internet spaceships actually in spaceships. Then there was the whole micro-transaction thing. The real rage was due to comments made by CCP though (greed is good), rather than the actual content.

This expansion continues to re-balance the spaceships which are what is actually important in internet spaceships so most people are quite happy with that. The new content re; exploration is rather underwhelming but its not really rage inducing. In fact the terrible launcher is far more rage inducing.

Given that people were raging at CQ as ccp were pushing out new content rather than fixing stuff surely you can't be surprised there is no rage at this expansion which is doing the opposite, i.e. exactly what people wanted in their rage.

you mean aside from the fact that it's not "all" we're getting, and even if it was, it's an excellent change?

i think being almost finished with tiericide, a scanning system that isn't tedious and boring, a massive resource shakeup, and some rather nice ui tweaks make a pretty good expansion.

however you're entitled to your opinion even if it is hideously wrong.

I think you might want to look up the word "expansion".

None of the things you listed has anything to do with the word. Changes and updates are not expansions.
They are adding Navy BC's, which, after all the nerfs to normal BC's will be about the same ship you flew two years ago, much more cheaply.

While CCP is seemingly trying to add to the game now, after years of neglect, it's still more of an update, rather than an expansion. So wipe the brown off your nose, and be realistic about this "update".....

I think you might want to look up the word "expansion".

None of the things you listed has anything to do with the word. Changes and updates are not expansions.
They are adding Navy BC's, which, after all the nerfs to normal BC's will be about the same ship you flew two years ago, much more cheaply.

While CCP is seemingly trying to add to the game now, after years of neglect, it's still more of an update, rather than an expansion. So wipe the brown off your nose, and be realistic about this "update".....

i think it was this thread i said it in. but i'll say it again, i think people are getting "expansions" confused with "additions". when companies go back and expand on content, i'm pretty sure it makes it an expansion. adding new content isn't a requirement of an expansion, especially when content is player driven not developer driven.

all we're getting is an improved scanner

So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?