I have a better idea, remove local.

I have a better idea, remove local.

I have a better idea, remove local.

move to WH space and you are granted your wish. removing local in other spaces would be bad for eve

Then deal with afk players like the rest of us do, or is this a stealth nerf afk cloaking thread?

No Sir, this is a thread designed to improve communication in EVE Online between players and help them connect faster.

then I could see this feature in, Corp, Alliance, and any player opened chat channel but not local.

Then deal with afk players like the rest of us do, or is this a stealth nerf afk cloaking thread?

So if I am a newbie I'm not allowed to benefit from this feature and chat with other newbies in local chat in my lovely high-sec constellation? This makes no sense.

Corp chat

Because you say so? See I don't like to be told what to do or with who to speak or not in a game for which I pay to play with my own money.

This thread was made to support an idea. You should argue why this is a good idea or not, not to tell me what to do or not to do.

It is a bad idea as it provides even more intel for local chat, if only applied to Corp chat, Alliance Chat, and Player Created Chat channels.

It's actually a "buff afk cloaking" thread. For the first couple times people will be at ease once they see the AFK icon. And then they will end up getting ganked when they go about their business. Soon afterwards we will get "nerf AFK cloaking & AFK icons" thread.

And why more intel is bad? A system full with AFK people is the same thing as an empty system, which helps you by not wasting time and this is the only extra thing you get as "intel". How is this bad exactly?

It is a bad idea as it provides even more intel for local chat, if only applied to Corp chat, Alliance Chat, and Player Created Chat channels it would be fine.

My lady you are quoting from CCP Soundwave: EVE Fanfest 2013: Game Design - Balancing Tears & Laughter

And if you'd searched you could've prevented the flaming you are getting right now.

No to this in Local, Yes to this for Corp, Private and Alliance chats.

you sir are pathetic in every post that remotly is about cloaking, intel, PVP or afk tactics you post the remove local well newsflash no local is bit of the point of WH space. i do agree that its intel part is too strong but i think the same about afk cloakies not that i am annoyed by them as i live in WH space.

riddle me this, why dont you move to WH space as you hate local so much

Why are you suggesting wormhole space is the same as null except for local?

As one claiming to play there, are you truly oblivious to the other differences?

i am not suggesting that WH space is the same as null except local,

I watched that, and his point was not removing local would be bad, but that it performed a function as an intel tool that would need to be replaced and verified as viable as a replacement.

INTEL IS GOOD. PERIOD. Think like that. We here on Earth, in this modern age, we have a social security number, a home address, medical status, schools we went, work history, data is created and collected about you since the day you are born and lots of stuff about you can be found on internet or other places if you know what and where to look for. Also every electronic device that is connected to the internet or to a network collects data about you. These days you can't live and not be known about.

EVE IS FROM THE FUTURE. You think in the future people will stop collect data? In EVE you are born in a stations made by men, you fly ships made by men, travel through gates made by men, live in a community formed by men, data is being collected about you whatever you like it or not. Local was made so we all find out about each other existence, to get to know each other and to bond.. or hate each others. It's a very useful and normal intel tool in a MMORPG. How do you think people would got to know each other if local wouldn't existed at all? We would all convo each others in stations? Spamming few thousand of players in one NPC corp chat? Dropping cans in space and naming them "hey i was here"? This all "local is bad" is pure bullshit. We would all be living in dark without knowing of each other existence. Having intel about your existence and presence is very normal and GOOD. You want people in EVE to not know about you? Then delete your eve client.

INTEL IS GOOD. PERIOD. Think like that. We here on Earth, in this modern age, we have a social security number, a home address, medical status, schools we went, work history, data is created and collected about you since the day you are born and lots of stuff about you can be found on internet or other places if you know what and where to look for. Also every electronic device that is connected to the internet or to a network collects data about you. These days you can't live and not be known about.

EVE IS FROM THE FUTURE. You think in the future people will stop collect data? In EVE you are born in a stations made by men, you fly ships made by men, travel through gates made by men, live in a community formed by men, data is being collected about you whatever you like it or not. Local was made so we all find out about each other existence, to get to know each other and to bond.. or hate each others. It's a very useful and normal intel tool in a MMORPG. How do you think people would got to know each other if local wouldn't existed at all? We would all convo each others in stations? Spamming few thousand of players in one NPC corp chat? Dropping cans in space and naming them "hey i was here"? This all "local is bad" is pure bullshit. We would all be living in dark without knowing of each other existence. Having intel about your existence and presence is very normal and GOOD. You want people in EVE to not know about you? Then delete your eve client.

This all "local is bad" is pure bullshit. We would all be living in dark without knowing of each other existence. Having intel about your existence and presence is very normal and GOOD. You want people in EVE to not know about you? Then delete your eve client.

No it's a nerf because the cloaked ship is going to have to move before he can do anything. (unless the victim somehow wandered within point range on his own) So everyone is going to see the "afk" tag disappear and dock up.

You misunderstand if you assume I want players acting without intel.
You are also confused if you think I want to collect kill mails. I am a miner.

I want the miners in other corps to explode more often, so I can make the effort they failed at and compete.
My ore sales have more value when they don't have ore to sell.

The title pretty much says it all. An AFK / IDLE icon next to or above players standing icon in local chat for players AFK for more than 5 minutes. Similar like in IRC. Would REALLY improve chatting in local

All miners should put a bounty on this guy right NOW.

No it's a nerf because the cloaked ship is going to have to move before he can do anything. (unless the victim somehow wandered within point range on his own) So everyone is going to see the "afk" tag disappear and dock up.

So you want him to bounty himself?

The title pretty much says it all. An AFK / IDLE icon next to or above players standing icon in local chat for players AFK for more than 5 minutes. Similar like in IRC. Would REALLY improve chatting in local

No Sir, this is a thread designed to improve communication in EVE Online between players and help them connect faster.

Why are you suggesting wormhole space is the same as null except for local?

As one claiming to play there, are you truly oblivious to the other differences?

So if I am a newbie I'm not allowed to benefit from this feature and chat with other newbies in local chat in my lovely high-sec constellation? This makes no sense.

It's actually a "buff afk cloaking" thread. For the first couple times people will be at ease once they see the AFK icon. And then they will end up getting ganked when they go about their business. Soon afterwards we will get "nerf AFK cloaking & AFK icons" thread.

Because you say so? See I don't like to be told what to do or with who to speak or not in a game for which I pay to play with my own money.

you sir are pathetic in every post that remotly is about cloaking, intel, PVP or afk tactics you post the remove local well newsflash no local is bit of the point of WH space. i do agree that its intel part is too strong but i think the same about afk cloakies not that i am annoyed by them as i live in WH space.

The title pretty much says it all. An AFK / IDLE icon next to or above players standing icon in local chat for players AFK for more than 5 minutes. Similar like in IRC. Would REALLY improve chatting in local

i am not suggesting that WH space is the same as null except local, i am just saying that if someone hates local so much that he has to stick his remove local as the solution to everything that he would be better off to move to WH space that are my words and nothing less and nothing more

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As such it is a very powerful intel too. So now the next question:

How does a PvP pilot use local to his advantage?

Ooh ooh! I know this one! By fooling the gullible folks into thinking he isn't there by doing nothing and not being on scan for hours and hours at a time whilst actually watching exactly what's going on in the system via his own scanner.

Did I get it right? Can I haz a cookie now?

EDIT - And by the way, that right there is called a "tactic" and is completely valid behaviour. As is not being there and making you wonder whether he is so in 4 days time he can jump you. He pays his account as much as you do so if he wants to do nothing for 4 days so he can potentially get one kill that is his right. Even if he has no intention of getting any kills and is just playing psychological warfare with you it's still a valid tactic and he's still paying for his account.

I think this is an excellent idea. This way, unscrupulous people will be encouraged to find ways to spoof activity with macros or scripts (emergent gameplay? lol) so that they can AFK cloak, yet not look like they're AFK at all. This will result in an even higher incidence of crybabies docking up, leaving more space clear for people who aren't afraid of cloaked ships.

And why more intel is bad? A system full with AFK people is the same thing as an empty system, which helps you by not wasting time and this is the only extra thing you get as "intel". How is this bad exactly?