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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:26:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Wrong. Suicide ganking is all about the profit lol what
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
6
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:29:00 -
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Daquaris wrote:Also, with the right setup, the Talos will push 1700+ dps right now.... YUM!
I dont have pyf, so is that a faction fit glass cannon or a t2 fit with armor/shield buffer? |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:40:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Goose99 wrote:I have 18/26/61 mils for cyclone/cane/phon in Rens. The gap is bigger than splitting the difference. Not to mention that unlike phon, Apoc is tier 2 bs that cost significantly more. At first I was like.... YAY wicked arbitrage!! Then I realized that you moved the price comparison goal posts. As for the Apoc: Yep, I ignored the comparison with a tier 2 BS of a different race for my totally crystal ball loss amount on a tornado. Better grasp harder bro, the straws seem to be slipping away faster and faster.
Apoc, 8 1400s for alpha. Gank standard issue. Anyone who knows enough to comment should know. I was replying to this:
Khanh'rhh wrote:You currently lose about 30mil on a suicide apoc.
I wager you'll end up losing about 15mil on a Tornado.
That's **** all difference, really.
People ganking for the fun won't care about cost. People ganking for profit won't see a difference.
And yes, price comparisons to even cheaper tier 1 bs is pointless, as the tier 1 bs will cost roughly twice as much as the bc, 3 times for tier 2. As a bc, Tornado will be far cheaper, while still having the same alpha as a tier 2 bs for gank purposes. Hence this thread. |
Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:00:00 -
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It's not the new BCs that will be the battleganker, it's the updated destroyers. 600+ DPS Catalysts will be an incredibly cost efficent suicide package. |
Desudes
Pixelmoon The Star League
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:38:00 -
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If you think CCP doesn't know these ships won't be suicide gankers friend, I don't know what to say.
If they wanted to stop high sec ganking they would turn off PvP in the areas they don't want people being ganked, like every other MMO. FOR THE DESU!!! |
Daquaris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:36:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Daquaris wrote:Also, with the right setup, the Talos will push 1700+ dps right now.... YUM! I dont have pyf, so is that a faction fit glass cannon or a t2 fit with armor/shield buffer?
Nope, a relatively affordable throwaway suicide fit (t2) - admittedly with heat and implants however (I suppose it's not THAT unusual, my ganker has implants...(
Here's the fit if you are interested |
stoicfaux
326
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Posted - 2011.10.27 04:44:00 -
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Am I right in thinking that a T2 1400 Apoc can (barely) alpha a glass cannon Talos?
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
71
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Posted - 2011.10.27 04:54:00 -
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An idea just hit me. I think I'm getting Goonitis.
If the Tier 3 BC is cheap enough, how many would it take to alpha a Tech 3 cruiser? Consider the cost ratio, an economic war on a corporation taking down a billion dollar ship with nearly half that in insured hulls...
just saying.
I'm going to stick with my Cyclone. They'll probably be down to 5 million ISK this winter.
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Daquaris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:06:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:An idea just hit me. I think I'm getting Goonitis.
If the Tier 3 BC is cheap enough, how many would it take to alpha a Tech 3 cruiser? Consider the cost ratio, an economic war on a corporation taking down a billion dollar ship with nearly half that in insured hulls...
just saying.
I'm going to stick with my Cyclone. They'll probably be down to 5 million ISK this winter.
You can already do it cheap (and easily) enough with an artypoc. |
Calgrissom Torvec
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:10:00 -
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Been preaching this ever since they released the info that new low skill BC where coming out with BS weapon mounts. If anyone thinks that these new BC are anything but CCP giving griefers/gankers a cheaper tool to hi sec gank with there crazy. CCP wants pirates running rampant in OP cheap ships as it fuels plex sales for poor high sec players trying to recoup from gankers. There is no place in the game for cheap fast high power weapon ships other thank ganking and the best part is most everyone doesnt see this.
Inc major tears and cries for the nerf bat after these things hit the street. |
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Calgrissom Torvec
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:26:00 -
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Edit: Wanted to add that ive always said Insurance should never be payed out to anyone who is concorded. If CCP didnt want high sec ganking that would stop 90% of it. But ganking makes CCP to much money on plex sales so of course they are going to fuel their gank players with as much insentive to gank as possible. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:42:00 -
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Calgrissom Torvec wrote:Edit: Wanted to add that ive always said Insurance should never be payed out to anyone who is concorded. If CCP didnt want high sec ganking that would stop 90% of it. But ganking makes CCP to much money on plex sales so of course they are going to fuel their gank players with as much insentive to gank as possible.
This. No insurance if you're killed by concord.
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VaMei
Meafi Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.27 14:02:00 -
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I know all of the numbers people are tossing around are alpha and may not get to Sisi let alone go live, but are people really that worried about getting ganked by a t3 BC with 400mm resolution guns, when destroyers are having their -25% ROF removed? Removing that -25% is actually a 33% increase over current numbers, and that's to guns that can actually hit a small target on a ship with better tracking than anything else out there.
Add in the proposed buffs to blasters, and the Neutron Catalyst firing Void is going to bring suicide gankers to a whole new level of wet dreams. |
Daquaris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:14:00 -
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I am ready for this.
Looks like a max skilled cat will push around 750 dps.... |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:00:00 -
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VaMei wrote:I know all of the numbers people are tossing around are alpha and may not get to Sisi let alone go live, but are people really that worried about getting ganked by a t3 BC with 400mm resolution guns, when destroyers are having their -25% ROF removed? Removing that -25% is actually a 33% increase over current numbers, and that's to guns that can actually hit a small target on a ship with better tracking than anything else out there. Add in the proposed buffs to blasters, and the Neutron Catalyst firing Void is going to bring suicide gankers to a whole new level of wet dreams. so from now on destroyers will be the suicide ships?:O tempest alpha around 8-10k trasher around 1k-1.2k both can do only 1 volley as far as i know tempest should be able to easily hit its target (industrials)
getting the rof penalty off from trasher wont change this average industrial 3k ehp
the new bc possibly will have around 80% alpha of a tempst , so would you use 1 ships and account to insta kill an indi or you would take 4 ****** destroyers and split the loot + suffer 4times as much sec penalty? |
Calgrissom Torvec
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:21:00 -
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VaMei wrote:I know all of the numbers people are tossing around are alpha and may not get to Sisi let alone go live, but are people really that worried about getting ganked by a t3 BC with 400mm resolution guns, when destroyers are having their -25% ROF removed? Removing that -25% is actually a 33% increase over current numbers, and that's to guns that can actually hit a small target on a ship with better tracking than anything else out there. Add in the proposed buffs to blasters, and the Neutron Catalyst firing Void is going to bring suicide gankers to a whole new level of wet dreams.
No people are worried about Minmatar Tornado's with 1400/1200 artys roflstomping indies. Solo ganking just got a 50% discount because now instead of a tempest people will use the tornado. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:21:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:An idea just hit me. I think I'm getting Goonitis.
If the Tier 3 BC is cheap enough, how many would it take to alpha a Tech 3 cruiser?
1st depends how the T3 is tanked
2nd depends how skilled are your friends, because you don't think you can do this al alone do ya?
3rd depends how stupid is the T3 pilot
The "stupid" one let you disrupt him and keeps shooting mobs, you gank it and he's still there waiting his targets do get blown (hi null sec rating bots)
True story bro
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2011.10.27 19:23:00 -
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On paper.
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shal ri
Zanzibar Land
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:01:00 -
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all i hear is carebears b******* about being ganked while mining thier little hearts out. its eve. its made for pvp. y play if u dont plan on doing any killin like really. go play WOW if u dont want to pvp. in regards to ganking in high sec, thank god that its allowed. f****** carebears sit in high sec all safe doin the circle jerk to stay busy while they shoot rocks all day and do mish out the ass.
without ganking high sec would be all war decs and ppl spiining thier mining/mish ships in station till the dec is over. gank on gankers kill those carebears. |
bloomeh
Ghost Militia BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 07:40:00 -
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Make it like real insurance. The more you lose your ships, the more your insurance goes up till they won't insure your high risk ass anymore. |
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Ima FatBastard
Goonswarm Protective Services
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:23:00 -
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Calgrissom Torvec wrote:No people are worried about Minmatar Tornado's with 1400/1200 artys roflstomping indies. Solo ganking just got a 50% discount because now instead of a tempest people will use the tornado. It's going to be amazing.
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Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
3
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:41:00 -
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Calgrissom Torvec wrote:Been preaching this ever since they released the info that new low skill BC where coming out with BS weapon mounts. If anyone thinks that these new BC are anything but CCP giving griefers/gankers a cheaper tool to hi sec gank with there crazy. CCP wants pirates running rampant in OP cheap ships as it fuels plex sales for poor high sec players trying to recoup from gankers. There is no place in the game for cheap fast high power weapon ships other than ganking and the best part is most everyone doesnt see this.
Inc major tears and cries for the nerf bat after these things hit the street.
I think you are over reacting.
There are going to be two major effects from T3 BC....
and an increase is suicide ganking isn't it because its STILL going to be a hell of a lot cheaper to gank in **** fit catalysts and a thashers than +40mil isk battlecruisers. The whole idea is ********.....this isn't going to change anything, indies already get ganked all the time, and you still can't do **** about it in high sec because of the way agression works.
However, these new BCs are going to be terrors to the current all BC all the time fleets, from what I've seen they are going to mangle the current BC line-ups, and the only real way to deal with them will be wolf packs and nano-BSs
So maybe we'll see more BS's out and a about other than station games and the odd log-on trap.
The other thing is that these are going to be terrors in groups to cap pilots, specaily since dreads are losing their drones.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:29:00 -
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Calgrissom Torvec wrote:Been preaching this ever since they released the info that new low skill BC where coming out with BS weapon mounts. If anyone thinks that these new BC are anything but CCP giving griefers/gankers a cheaper tool to hi sec gank with there crazy. CCP wants pirates running rampant in OP cheap ships as it fuels plex sales for poor high sec players trying to recoup from gankers. There is no place in the game for cheap fast high power weapon ships other than ganking and the best part is most everyone doesnt see this.
Inc major tears and cries for the nerf bat after these things hit the street.
Mr Torvec, what you've just said ... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
289
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:52:00 -
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How are you guys fitting those ships up when i cant find them in Pyfa? (nub question) The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
123
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:07:00 -
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Pyfa released a new experimental build including the new BC stats. The pyfa thread has the details. |
Daquaris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:48:00 -
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Headerman wrote:How are you guys fitting those ships up when i cant find them in Pyfa? (nub question)
Try here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=256841#post256841 |
Jerick Ludhowe
Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising.
11
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:58:00 -
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With the tracking bonus I think that this 750ish dps number will be rather accurate if you're shooting at cruisers and up.
When it comes to frigates... even doing half that dps is going to be bloody murder.
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:32:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:With the tracking bonus I think that this 750ish dps number will be rather accurate if you're shooting at cruisers and up. When it comes to frigates... even doing half that dps is going to be bloody murder.
Barges are cruiser sized. So yeah, bloody murder. |
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