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Biltic Creen
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Posted - 2005.11.02 21:41:00 -
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I¦m running level 3 missions in a Ferox atm, but i would like to switch to level 4 ones.
Since i¦m skilled in Caldari and Minmatar direction i have to choose between a Tempest or a Raven.
I have the skills required to fit both ships decently.
Which of those 2 ships would you recommend to me?
It will 95% be used in missions / NPC hunting only.
PS: Please spare me the "you dont have the skill", "shouldnt run level 4" replys :) |
Soul Queen
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Posted - 2005.11.02 21:44:00 -
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Personally id say raven, purely because i hate the tempest.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.11.02 22:11:00 -
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Go for the Tempest. You might run into reloading problems in a Raven, it cannot carry much ammunition.
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2005.11.02 22:19:00 -
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Raven...
To be effective with a tempest you need high gunnery sills. With a smaller skill tree, ravens will let you dish out GREAT damage to BS rats. I think the skill investment paoff is greater in a raven for this kind of stuff. You will have trouble killing the cruiser rats, BUT, the ones you need to worry about, the BS, will be dealt with easily with missiles... You'll get range flexibility as well.
Also, the tempst can't easily be fitted for missions, which can include close range and long range engagements...
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.11.02 22:32:00 -
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Well interceptors like to play with the raven, so if you like things attacking you at 4 times your dps, breaking your tank, without any possibility of breaking his, while his megathron buddy snipes you into oblivion, then choose Raven.
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Cilppiz
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Posted - 2005.11.02 23:03:00 -
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How about Typhoon? It can have decent armor tank with AC's + Sieges/Cruisers and the dronespace is big plus, you can have nice set of heavy and med ones that will deal frigs nicely. Only bad thing about ACs is that they eat ammo like crazy.
Dunno what rats your gonna kill but I managed to chain 2x1M Angel spawn without any broplems with my Phoon + not even decent skills. Before missile nerf I used to run lvl4 missions with my friend, I tanked and he ganked, only Angel Extra was to hard.
Setup Im using
HI: AC's and Cruisers (or what ever you can fit after tank)
MED: cap rechargers (named), t2 would have been better but they cost to much
LOW: 2x Large Rep II, 3 Hardeners (active) and 2 Cap Power relays.
Cant run 2x Large for ever so you need to adjust the second repper manually = use if needed.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.11.02 23:18:00 -
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Tempest (or if you have the caseh a macheral) the raven is not a ship id like to specialise in at the moment, the tempest on the other hand is pure evil 
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Other Minion
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Posted - 2005.11.03 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Other Minion on 03/11/2005 01:32:24
Typhoon actually can run a good sustained sheild tank for npcing if u know the rrat dmg types.
4x 1200mm II
4x Cruise Missile Launcher II
1x Large Sheild Booster II
1x Good Sheild Boost Amp
2x Active Sheild Hardner II
5x Pwr Diag II
1x BCU II
1x GyroStab II
The Optimal range bonus is nice, with cruise and 1200mm with Phased Plasma ammo loaded you can sniper the smaller ships then tank and kill the bs. The capac recharger holds up with everything running, with this new patch buffing sheild tanking this setup should become even better.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.03 01:34:00 -
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Raven.
People whine about it all day but it is still by far the best level 4 mission boat.
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Agricola Augusta
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Posted - 2005.11.03 04:08:00 -
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Raven with 6 cruise launchers leaves ample cargo space since cruise are smaller than torps. Also is easier on PG and CPU better targeting range too. The drone bay is the same size as the Tempest so that point is superflous.
I fly a Raven and never whine about problems because everyother ship has drawbacks. Don't listen to whiners (ALTNAME) that complain about losing the I win button after the missile patch. And ofcourse the Raven is the sexier of the two!
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Corvus Crax
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Posted - 2005.11.03 07:41:00 -
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I've been alternating between my tempest and my Raven these last few weeks when doing level 4's. The raven can tank like no other(at least with a faction booster) and can quite easily kill the battleships(if the defenders don't kill off your torps. Yes. They kill torps now it seems). You can actually kill off all the cruisers quite easily with 6 heavy drones and torpedos, and let the drones deal with the frigates. But you have to be careful with these since drones have the most idiotic AI I've seen put into a game and will try to get you killed the second they have killed their assigned target.
Once the dronechanges hit you will have to train up drone interfacing to level 5 to get the same damageoutput vs frigates and stuff...you will not be able to have those logistic drones if you want to be able to kill frigates...but you can try with 2x techw 125mm rails...not sure if that does the job though...
The Tempest on the other hand setup like a sniper with 1400's, tracking comp, sensorbooster and a tank of three midslots(yeah...just to tank the few things that get to you), and then just fly off in the blue(black?) yonder and snipe them all off. It does the missions a lot faster than my raven. And I do mean a lot. You can have ammo in the cargo for two or three missions too, while the raven usually runs out of torps halfway through a mission. The raven ammo is a lot more expensive too...
I usually change my tempestsetup a lot for the different missions. I have done armourtank and autocannons for a mission that had dumped me in the middile of a lot of drones that do em damage...I messed them up good with the autopest. If you are in a mission where you only have time to go midrange you change to EMP ammo and remove the sensorbooster and tracking comp to fit a better tank and so on. The tempest i flexible. The raven only has two setups really. Torp or Cruise...I've tried cruise, and I'd rather spend the time it takes to kill the battleships, on something better...
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2005.11.03 09:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Corvus Crax
The raven can tank like no other(at least with a faction booster)
LOL. Faction booster = 400 mill plus on Escrow. The really good one (X-type I think) I haven't seen in months, but the last time I saw it was 650 mill, so good luck with that...
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StOrM ViPeR
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Posted - 2005.11.03 09:59:00 -
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Level 4 Solo = Raven.
Tempest not much good for level 4 missions on its own unless your happy with warping in and out every time a ship gets to close.
The Raven can deal with Frigs Easy as anything, tempest Struggles to kill the Frigs with a decent NPC setup.
I prefer the tempest but the raven is the only way to go really for level 4s other than take another person with you. |
mimik
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Posted - 2005.11.03 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: StOrM ViPeR
Level 4 Solo = Raven.
Tempest not much good for level 4 missions on its own unless your happy with warping in and out every time a ship gets to close.
The Raven can deal with Frigs Easy as anything, tempest Struggles to kill the Frigs with a decent NPC setup.
I prefer the tempest but the raven is the only way to go really for level 4s other than take another person with you.
hmmm then i guess i must have just imagined the 4 million loyalty points i have amassed doing lvl4 missions solo in a tempest.
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StOrM ViPeR
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Posted - 2005.11.03 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: mimik
Originally by: StOrM ViPeR
Level 4 Solo = Raven.
Tempest not much good for level 4 missions on its own unless your happy with warping in and out every time a ship gets to close.
The Raven can deal with Frigs Easy as anything, tempest Struggles to kill the Frigs with a decent NPC setup.
I prefer the tempest but the raven is the only way to go really for level 4s other than take another person with you.
hmmm then i guess i must have just imagined the 4 million loyalty points i have amassed doing lvl4 missions solo in a tempest.
I did stress that I'm a Tempest Pilot.
I never said that it couldn't be done in a tempest, i merely stated the facts about the Tempest and that the raven is better at the missions that the tempest.
So mimik, This guy wants advice not people like you flaming other peoples advice.
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mimik
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Posted - 2005.11.03 12:14:00 -
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yeah the guys looking for advice - u just gave him bad advice by saying the tempest cant handle lvl4 missions solo.
the tempest setup correctly with a decently skilled pilot can handle all lvl4s solo, without warping out btw.
the versatility of the tempest to be able to fight at close range or long range equally well means it is well suited to both DS and non-DS missions.
and btw i didn't flame u, i simply disagreed with u. if i had flamed u i might have said something like "STFU u noob saying a tempest can only do lvl4 missions with lots of warp-outs" but instead i pointed out that i had managed to do lots of lvl4s in a tempest but obviously in a way that was too subtle for u too understand.
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Biltic Creen
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Posted - 2005.11.04 10:00:00 -
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Thx for all the replys, i still cant decide which ship to choose, but i guess none of the 2 is "really bad" for level 4 soloing :)
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Kilosher Silgen
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Posted - 2005.11.04 10:54:00 -
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I use an Armor tanked Tempest set-up with 5 1400mm, 3 heavy launchers in high. AB, sensor booster II and some Cap Recharger IIs in Med.
In lows, 3 hardeners, medium rep II, larg rep II and 1600mm plates.
Tanks serpentis rats quite well but you need drones to deal with frigates if they get too close.
Still training my skills but this has served me well so far except in the drone lvl4 missions which I haven't attempted yet.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.11.04 13:37:00 -
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im running missions with raven, and i am trading it for a minmature one.
i got a full t2 fitted raven and cant do lvl4 for ****. the missile cant break the frigs tanking neather the battle ships one. and ur cap will run out way to fast.
raven is for pvp 1vs1 only and nothing else
yes people whine aboud it all day but thats not witout reason as some other people post above.
the missile would easy take care of the cruisers, those guns for the battle ships and drones for frigs.
its just better for missions
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.11.04 15:57:00 -
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ok, so what are the lvl4 mission runners setups for a Tempest?
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