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Thorr VonAsgard
nemesis 2.0 Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:33:00 -
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Hi,
I reconnect after the patch and see a little bug with the changes :
I was able to fly the astarte ( command ship gallente ) before the patch.
But now i cant :
[img]http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2632/commandj.png[/img]
Could you fix it please ?
Thanks by advance !
Thorr |

Jaakko Mestari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:37:00 -
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Seems to me you're missing:
Armored Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V Siege Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V
Where is the bug exactly? |

Dave Stark
3074
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:38:00 -
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i don't see an error message. |

Thorr VonAsgard
nemesis 2.0 Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:39:00 -
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Jaakko Mestari wrote:Seems to me you're missing:
Armored Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V Siege Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V
Where is the bug exactly?
The bug is that CCP said : If you can fly it BEFORE the patch, you'll be able to fly it AFTER the patch.
So, logicaly, I was expected to have the 4 leadership skills at 5 with the patch.
Second bug : You NEED the 4 skills at 5 to insert the skill "command ship" and I have it at lvl 2 ^^ |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1548
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:39:00 -
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The whole if you could fly it before you can after.
E: It just means you can fly it, not gain the extra skills. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |

Cmd BenJames
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:39:00 -
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The "bug" is that he should be able to still fly it, but thats the thing, since you have the command ships skill skilled you can still fly it, just like people who didn't skill capital ships IV but have the racial carrier skill, they can still fly their carriers. |

Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
978
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:39:00 -
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Jaakko Mestari wrote:Seems to me you're missing:
Armored Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V Siege Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V
Where is the bug exactly? They said the rule was, if yo could fly it before you can fly it after. Hence, the op should be able to fly his command ship.
If your logic above is true, then there are going to be a lot of pissed off rorqual, super cap, and carrier pilots.
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1403
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:40:00 -
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Jaakko Mestari wrote:Seems to me you're missing:
Armored Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V Siege Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V
Where is the bug exactly?
"You can fly now what you could fly before". God, does nobody read devblogs? Command ships is the primary skill. He should be able to fly it.
EDIT: Just realised this is going to **** me over on a looooooooooot of expensive ships. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |

Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
978
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:41:00 -
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Thorr VonAsgard wrote:Jaakko Mestari wrote:Seems to me you're missing:
Armored Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V Siege Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V
Where is the bug exactly? The bug is that CCP said : If you can fly it BEFORE the patch, you'll be able to fly it AFTER the patch. So, logicaly, I was expected to have the 4 leadership skills at 5 with the patch. Second bug : You NEED the 4 skills at 5 to insert the skill "command ship" and I have it at lvl 2 ^^ This isn't true though, you can still hop in it and fly but you won't get those skills for free. Only the ones that were changed/added. So if that's you issue, sorry man. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

stup idity
14
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:41:00 -
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Have you actually tried to get in your ship and undock? some kind of miracle might happen.
I reign supreme. |

Mulani Askiras
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:41:00 -
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What's funny is people complained this would happen, fanboys screamed it wouldnt and would be fine, and here it is, it has happened :) |

Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:42:00 -
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*facepalm*
Everyone should prepare for a tirade of inane posts such as this in the next couple of days. |

sera leonza
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:42:00 -
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He can still fly it.
Instead of just jumping into it to see if he could fly it or not.
He thought it was a better idea to come here and whine like a *****. |

Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
157
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:42:00 -
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Some People just can not understand simple English. :P R.I.P. Vile Rat |

Korotani
Seraphim Inc Black Fence.
6
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:44:00 -
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Have you tried turning it off and on again? Trust no one.-á |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:44:00 -
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Jaakko Mestari wrote:Seems to me you're missing:
Armored Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V Siege Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V
Where is the bug exactly?
If you could fly the ship before the expansion, CCP's policy is that you can continue flying the ship despite skill changes.
So many skilled up Command Ships to avoid having to skill all the associated new skills (didn't need those warfare skills before). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1548
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:44:00 -
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Mulani Askiras wrote:What's funny is people complained this would happen, fanboys screamed it wouldnt and would be fine, and here it is, it has happened :)
Whats funny is the OP misunderstood.
He can still fly the ship since he has CS skill. He is only missing the prereqs for the CS skill that he already has, which he doesn't get. Since he already has CS skill he is gravy when it comes to flying command ships. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |

Arm Smith
Xeon Labs Nuclear Confusion
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:48:00 -
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Looks like im down about 20 ships.
i could fly all BC's and 2 of the 4 (possibly all) CS prior to the patch.
now i cant fly 2 ratial bc's and none of the CS's.
Looks like CCP need to do some rethinking on this |

Aldebaran Aubaris
Free-lances
8
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:51:00 -
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Well the skies, and the void beyond will be alot safer for a while. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
926
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:52:00 -
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Mulani Askiras wrote:What's funny is people complained this would happen, fanboys screamed it wouldnt and would be fine, and here it is, it has happened :) What's funny is that even after 10 years people still don't understand how EVE's skill system works.
He would need leadership skills in order to inject the Command Ships skillbook. He needs the Command Ships skill trained in order to fly the Astarte. He doesn't need the leadership skills in order to fly the Astarte.
Since he had already injected the skillbook pre-Odyssey he can still fly the Astarte. If the Command Ships skillbook was magically removed from his head he would have to train 43 days of leadership skills before being able to reinject it (and fly an Astarte again). Working as intended.
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Arm Smith
Xeon Labs Nuclear Confusion
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:54:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Mulani Askiras wrote:What's funny is people complained this would happen, fanboys screamed it wouldnt and would be fine, and here it is, it has happened :) What's funny is that even after 10 years people still don't understand how EVE's skill system works. He would need leadership skills in order to inject the Command Ships skillbook. He needs the Command Ships skill trained in order to fly the Astarte. He doesn't need the leadership skills in order to fly the Astarte. Since he had already injected the skillbook pre-Odyssey he can still fly the Astarte. If the Command Ships skillbook was magically removed from his head he would have to train 43 days of leadership skills before being able to reinject it (and fly an Astarte again). Working as intended.
so even without the skills you can still board the ship? |

Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:57:00 -
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Emu Meo wrote:*facepalm*
Everyone should prepare for a tirade of inane posts such as this in the next couple of days.
Arm Smith wrote:Looks like im down about 20 ships.
i could fly all BC's and 2 of the 4 (possibly all) CS prior to the patch.
now i cant fly 2 ratial bc's and none of the CS's.
Looks like CCP need to do some rethinking on this
^Looks like my prophecy has already come true. |

Asptar Monastair
Adventurers
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:58:00 -
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Astarte: Hey have you got CS1? Yes? Coolbeans, get in! Don't have x leadership V? Couldn't care less, that's CS1's problem. CS1 Skillbook: Hey have you got a craptonne of leadership skills? No? **** off then. |

Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:00:00 -
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Thorr VonAsgard wrote:Hi, I reconnect after the patch and see a little bug with the changes : I was able to fly the astarte ( command ship gallente ) before the patch. But now i cant : http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2632/commandj.pngCould you fix it please ? Thanks by advance ! Thorr
Have you tried to fly the ship??? It looks like you should still be able to. You have the needed skills trained to fly the ship, Command Ships to 1 and Gellente BC to 5, that is all you need. If you had not already injected command ships, then you would not be able to now, that is all that screen is showing. They never said they would give you all of the prerequisite skills for free, just said that you would still be able to fly the ship. Try to undock, you should be able to fly it. |

Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
1829
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:01:00 -
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TEST.. nuff said. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |

Feoro
Old Black Rum Industries
4
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:05:00 -
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In the picture your staring at the ship in the market. buy the ship, assemble it then pilot it. The point of the "if you can fly it before the patch you can fly it after the patch" is just that, you can fly it before then you can fly it now. just because you injected a skill doesnt mean that ccp is going to be giving you all of the leadership skills to lvl 5. I hate test pilots, so lazy |

Traska Gannel
ROC Academy The ROC
10
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:15:00 -
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Arm Smith wrote:Looks like im down about 20 ships.
i could fly all BC's and 2 of the 4 (possibly all) CS prior to the patch.
now i cant fly 2 ratial bc's and none of the CS's.
Looks like CCP need to do some rethinking on this
Have you actually tried to get in the ships and undock? Or have you just looked at the listed skill requirements?
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Ultim8Evil
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
55
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:27:00 -
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"Test Alliance Please Ignore"
Stopped reading here.
You're probably better off not flying Command Ships anyway, you'd only lose it in Delve. |

Arm Smith
Xeon Labs Nuclear Confusion
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:31:00 -
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Traska Gannel wrote:Arm Smith wrote:Looks like im down about 20 ships.
i could fly all BC's and 2 of the 4 (possibly all) CS prior to the patch.
now i cant fly 2 ratial bc's and none of the CS's.
Looks like CCP need to do some rethinking on this Have you actually tried to get in the ships and undock? Or have you just looked at the listed skill requirements?
Not tried to jump in them yet (most are in my hangers ;) ) cos im at work, looks like i'll be ok CS if its only one one of the leadership skills needed (got 3 of the 4 at 5).
The BC thing looks like i am stuffed, but looks like partly my fault though. its to do with the racial cruiser thing, i just read the whole blog post, i read the headline 'can fly it before so can fly it after', so didnt read the wall of text with the changes so missed the part about need ot have all the required skills to get the ratial ones at 5.
pretty sick of all the changes and nerf's that have made my toon's pretty useless. think im gonna cancel my accounts and move on to soemthing else. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5324
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:33:00 -
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Thorr VonAsgard wrote:Jaakko Mestari wrote:Seems to me you're missing:
Armored Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V Siege Warfare Level V Information Warfare Level V
Where is the bug exactly? The bug is that CCP said : If you can fly it BEFORE the patch, you'll be able to fly it AFTER the patch. So, logicaly, I was expected to have the 4 leadership skills at 5 with the patch. Second bug : You NEED the 4 skills at 5 to insert the skill "command ship" and I have it at lvl 2 ^^ You're an idiot. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Madlof Chev
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
174
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:55:00 -
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>is test >can't read
who'd have thought |

Thorr VonAsgard
nemesis 2.0 Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:07:00 -
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Ultim8Evil wrote:"Test Alliance Please Ignore"
Stopped reading here.
You're probably better off not flying Command Ships anyway, you'd only lose it in Delve.
I'm not considering me a TEST anymore since they kicked us from TEST , I'm almost Riot (renegades Council) with my corp, just waiting for changing the alliance.
Yes I can fly and I can undock with any command ship. But it still looks like a bug for me that beeing able to fly a ship without the requirements ^^
Quote: What's funny is that even after 10 years people still don't understand how EVE's skill system works.
Look at my history... I'm not 10 years old in this game O_O Not even 1, almost... |

Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
475
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:12:00 -
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Thorr VonAsgard wrote: But it still looks like a bug for me that beeing able to fly a ship without the requirements ^^
It's not a bug, it tells you correctly how long you need to train to inject that skill. Since you have already injected it, you save all that time. So instead of whining on the forums, you should celebrate and laugh at the poor newbies who will actually have to train all those skills! . |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
974

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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:16:00 -
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Quote:He would need leadership skills in order to inject the Command Ships skillbook. He needs the Command Ships skill trained in order to fly the Astarte. He doesn't need the leadership skills in order to fly the Astarte.
Since he had already injected the skillbook pre-Odyssey he can still fly the Astarte. If the Command Ships skillbook was magically removed from his head he would have to train 43 days of leadership skills before being able to reinject it (and fly an Astarte again). Working as intended.
Was just about to post to explain, but it was done so nicely above that I'll just confirm that this is indeed the case. |
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Revman Zim
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
98
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:21:00 -
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I predict weeks of forum whining before A$$hats actually UNDOCK in the ship they are complaining that they can no longer fly.
The BC and Dessy skill tree change was announced over a YEAR AGO. And we still have pilots that don't know how skills work. |

Makton Kelevin
MAK Industries
53
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:37:00 -
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This looks like a good thread to reply to and update.
I fly an Orca and the "Ore Industrial" was added to the required skills for the Orca as level 3, this expansion. I am able To get in my ship and undock it. So, seem to work, but s bit nerve racking when you are now missing a skill to fly a ship that you spent months training to fly.
My other 2 toons are in that same boat with their mining ships as I have neve had the need for a venture. Now that is skill (Mining frigate) a required skill for the exhumers, I have to stop my other training to true all this up.
Sorry CCP, but if you follow the rules of "can fly before, can still fly" you really should have added those skills to true up the pre-reqs for the ships, instead of flagging the pilots to fly them. I have no reason to skill the new required skills, besides truing up the the pre-reqs I had already completed for flying the ships I have. Now you are wasting my skill time, which in this game, is rather important.
Beyond that, I'm fairly ok with the new changes and love the new graphics. Which is what keeps me playing the game.
-Mak |

Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
979
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:49:00 -
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Makton Kelevin wrote:This looks like a good thread to reply to and update.
I fly an Orca and the "Ore Industrial" was added to the required skills for the Orca as level 3, this expansion. I am able To get in my ship and undock it. So, seem to work, but s bit nerve racking when you are now missing a skill to fly a ship that you spent months training to fly.
My other 2 toons are in that same boat with their mining ships as I have neve had the need for a venture. Now that is skill (Mining frigate) a required skill for the exhumers, I have to stop my other training to true all this up.
Sorry CCP, but if you follow the rules of "can fly before, can still fly" you really should have added those skills to true up the pre-reqs for the ships, instead of flagging the pilots to fly them. I have no reason to skill the new required skills, besides truing up the the pre-reqs I had already completed for flying the ships I have. Now you are wasting my skill time, which in this game, is rather important.
Beyond that, I'm fairly ok with the new changes and love the new graphics. Which is what keeps me playing the game.
-Mak Wait, it's nerve racking because you can still fly the ship you could before patch? Is the little yellow circle really causing you so much psychological distress that you are thinking about quitting? JFC
You want free skills. Simple as that. Don't try and sugar coat it under some bs like this, just come out and say it. You still won't get what you want but at least you will be honest about it. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
106
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:49:00 -
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Makton Kelevin wrote:This looks like a good thread to reply to and update.
I fly an Orca and the "Ore Industrial" was added to the required skills for the Orca as level 3, this expansion. I am able To get in my ship and undock it. So, seem to work, but s bit nerve racking when you are now missing a skill to fly a ship that you spent months training to fly.
My other 2 toons are in that same boat with their mining ships as I have neve had the need for a venture. Now that is skill (Mining frigate) a required skill for the exhumers, I have to stop my other training to true all this up.
Sorry CCP, but if you follow the rules of "can fly before, can still fly" you really should have added those skills to true up the pre-reqs for the ships, instead of flagging the pilots to fly them. I have no reason to skill the new required skills, besides truing up the the pre-reqs I had already completed for flying the ships I have. Now you are wasting my skill time, which in this game, is rather important.
Beyond that, I'm fairly ok with the new changes and love the new graphics. Which is what keeps me playing the game.
-Mak
No. I would benefit from that suggestion but I'm against it. CCP only promised we could still fly it. No need for free skills or SP. |

RaTTuS
BIG Insidious Empire
273
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:52:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:
No. I would benefit from that suggestion but I'm against it. CCP only promised we could still fly it. No need for free skills or SP.
you can still fly it ... if you want help then use the 50k of free skill points you had for the outages at the weekend... http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Makton Kelevin
MAK Industries
53
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:16:00 -
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Think you need to read this again, and no where id I say I was quitting. I voiced my opinion to keep things standard and clean which has nothing with your comments. You completely overreacted and may need to get away from the computer for a while. Or your just a Troll, which means you will carry on.
Also, having a "x" on a skill for a ship that people are flying isn't vary standard or clean, even from the developer standpoint. Now they have exceptions to the rules they put in place on this game which is more to watch for and maintain.
-Mak
Zifrian wrote:Makton Kelevin wrote:This looks like a good thread to reply to and update.
I fly an Orca and the "Ore Industrial" was added to the required skills for the Orca as level 3, this expansion. I am able To get in my ship and undock it. So, seem to work, but s bit nerve racking when you are now missing a skill to fly a ship that you spent months training to fly.
My other 2 toons are in that same boat with their mining ships as I have neve had the need for a venture. Now that is skill (Mining frigate) a required skill for the exhumers, I have to stop my other training to true all this up.
Sorry CCP, but if you follow the rules of "can fly before, can still fly" you really should have added those skills to true up the pre-reqs for the ships, instead of flagging the pilots to fly them. I have no reason to skill the new required skills, besides truing up the the pre-reqs I had already completed for flying the ships I have. Now you are wasting my skill time, which in this game, is rather important.
Beyond that, I'm fairly ok with the new changes and love the new graphics. Which is what keeps me playing the game.
-Mak Wait, it's nerve racking because you can still fly the ship you could before patch? Is the little yellow circle really causing you so much psychological distress that you are thinking about quitting? JFC You want free skills. Simple as that. Don't try and sugar coat it under some bs like this, just come out and say it. You still won't get what you want but at least you will be honest about it.
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Makton Kelevin
MAK Industries
53
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:18:00 -
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RaTTuS wrote:Onomerous wrote:
No. I would benefit from that suggestion but I'm against it. CCP only promised we could still fly it. No need for free skills or SP.
you can still fly it ... if you want help then use the 50k of free skill points you had for the outages at the weekend...
Pretty much what I'll be doing to true up the pre-reqs. Makes sense and keeps the logic easier for CCP.
-Mak |

Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
979
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:21:00 -
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"Which keeps me playing the game" implies all the other stuff, which you have issues with does not.
In any case, still a pretty weak reply. You are clearly crying about something which literally has no effect on your gameplay (see nerve racking). Not to mention, something that was announced almost a year ago.
Anywho... Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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