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Faxon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:29:00 -
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Some guy claiming to be part of a secret Cartel is harrassing our corp telling us what we can sell, where and for what price.
Wanted us to put the prices of our cannons up from 100k to 200k!
Started to threaten to blow us up if we didnt comply.
Bit of an idiot really but highly amusing.
Cant see how he thinks he will be able to blow us up in 1.0 systems and even if he could it would be REALLY difficult to sell through an Alt wouldnt it 
Just thought this was really funny how he thought he could force other players to comply.
Whatever happened to player driven economy !
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Faxon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Faxon on 06/08/2003 15:00:23
Whilst it is a valid ponit people are selling at below cost it is out of order to try to force other players to sell at over inflated prices.
The item in question cost about 70k to make and he was trying to force us to sell it at 200k !
If this cartel wants to buy all of our stock up at low prices and re-sell it at higher then fine but we can sell at whatever price we like.
As to selling at build cost. Why is this a problem ?
If we do our own mining then selling at build cost is still profit.
To us mining with CU vapors and haresters on cruisers and Indy's the ore comes quicker and is therefore cheaper to us in man hours anyway.
Yes we could on occassion make more profit from selling the ore itself but wheres the fun in that !
The way I see it is this "Cartel" can go *%^& themselves. If they do have the ability to carry out threats we will still sell the goods, just under an alt.
If they want to contact me about buying our goods direct to sell to the public at over inflated prices then fine, but someone will always undercut them.
"That's the beauty of EvE, these things can form and dissolve any time "
Definitely. In theory the cartel idea is a good one to have if these people want to raise prices.(Even if they have no chance). However what isnt good is the threats this guy made if we didnt comply.
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Faxon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Faxon on 06/08/2003 15:05:47
Edited by: Faxon on 06/08/2003 15:04:35
Im 33.
Yes we could sometimes make more money selling ore.
That does NOT mean selling this is not profit. It just means we could have made more profit.
If we have nothing in our hangar, go out mine, then produce the goods then whatever cash we make is profit. Granted we could make more profit but if money at end of process > money at beginning profit has been made.
PS I am making plenty of money and doing so in a way I like and enjoying the game whats the problem in that ?
PPS This is irrelevant to the point of the discussion about trying to force players at over inflated prices.
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Faxon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:19:00 -
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Profit is to have more money than you start with.
Price of minerals on market is irrelevant to me as the time it takes Newbie McNewbieson to mine 100k of sco is a lot longer than me.
I could indeed make more money by mining. Thats boring.
I prefer to make plenty of money manafacturing and selling at the prices I want.
I rent a factory slot for 80k for 3 days. I make about 3 mil a day for a few hours gaming.
Whilst my bank account gets bigger and bigger I am making profit ! Again I admit I could make more profit mining, but I dont want to !
To be fair I 90% of the time sell at over mineral price so still make "profit" as you see it.
Again I reiterate the point of this thread is that this cartel are trying to force players to sell at highly inflated prices.
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Faxon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:36:00 -
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domost of the mining myself using 2 chars.
When corp members are involved we always pay them the going rate but do often sell some of their output.
As to ships, we only make small frigates and neversell them under mineral cost.
Yet again, this thread is about a cartel who are trying to force players to sell at 200% profit margins which is more ridiculous than selling at mineral cost !
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Faxon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 16:02:00 -
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Personally I dont think the market is broken but it is too easy to make money from cheap sales.
Mineral costs are not as important as people keep saying if people dont buy the minerals.
BP Copies do need to be limited which will add more value to the production costs.
Ship prices are too low, thats why I have never bought an original BP for a cruiser as you would have to sell too many to break even.
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