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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 06/08/2003 14:42:56
Its because ot the broken market and all the slow minded small corps selling good at mineral cost.
I've been threated too but I can't raise my prices unless everyone else does. I wish I could I agree with whomever is starting such a mafia. But he could kill you in 1.0 space. unless your in the newb corp you should check you Corp war thing they could add you to it and you not even know it. Then they can shoot you freely in 1.0 space. And if your one od the slow minded corps I hope they do.
And if you think about it. If they make you raise your prices it still makes it a player "driven" Economy just not driven by you.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 06/08/2003 15:00:30
Faxon - How old are you. Have you taken Economics or go to school.
Now What is broken is the Ship Market. And here is why......
People can now get a BP cheap. But When that produce there ship they don't realize that they must sell at Insures price instead they sell and mineral cost which is dumb.
They think that if they mine the mineral and sell it for the cost of the minerals it is all profit. um... no... Use your head. You might as well just sell the minerals. Hello, McFly... What about production cost it takes time to produce the ship. It takes hrs, espiecally for a cruiser to gather the minerals. And lastly what about the time it took you to get the skills and train for Mass and industry ect... Arn't you efough worth anything. Also producing ships so cheaply like cruisers, Puts newbs in crusiers.
You Should also be able to pay your miners for the work.
Frigates are dead no question. I can buy a Tormentor for less then 10k then spen 7k to insure it. go out to a belt have the pirates kill me and come back and make 25k makeing 8k profit off the producer. Crusiers are next, I saw a Omen for 2mill only 1 mill to insure, and the pay off is 4 mill. know body can sell for the reall price because all those small corps that got a hold of a cheap Crusier BP arn't thinking straight.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:09:00 -
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You see that is why the market is broken. Look around you. In the real world if you go out mining for minerals and make some stuff using those minerals do you sell it for the cost of those minerals or do you also add labor cost, and production costs.
That factory slot cost you money right. say you produce something that takes a week or you only use it once, Doesn't the cost of the slot come into effect. If you only sell at Mineral cost and don't use the slot again becuase it takes time to remine the minerals again (this is for crusiers) then you just lost money.
But thats OK I find good buys like omens for 1.5 mill or 2mill insure them and then blow them up and make a profit so no big deal. Your loss it what took me 10 sec to buy. 5 secs to insure and 5 mins to blow up and it took you hours to mine and hours to produce.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:28:00 -
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Oh so your not mining your poor corp members are. Now I see why you don't understand. But you are right there prices are alittle too high.
I did lookup some of the old prices before cheep BP copies flooded the market and killed it.
Old Prices ( remember seeing them )
Exequsioner 40k
Tormentor 47k
Crusifier 300k
Inquisitor 425K
Punisher 590k
Omen 9M
Maller 16M
Auguror 5.8M
Arbitrator 7M
Bestower 1.8M
I had writen them down cause when I first started playing I wanted to know how much I needed for each ship. Now most of those are for less then half.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:38:00 -
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Agreed 200% is outragous.
What frigates do you make??
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 15:51:00 -
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Here here. Content is grand. But I don't think you are complaining are you? Faxon. Just asking a question it seems to me. Right?
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 16:07:00 -
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Some of the Minerals Take to long to get I buy some of them. How long does it take you to get 1M Tritanium? If less then a day can you join my corp plz.
I love the new Idea with the BP limitation it will cause more ppl to want Originals raising the prices. Then maybe that so called trade federation will stop.
What ships frigates to you make? - Faxon
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 17:02:00 -
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Lol what world are you living in. You havn't been playing long have you. Those weren't Inflated prices those were the old prices. Before people like you got there hands on cheep BPs. But the new patch will help that.
And I am not worried about it Like I said if you want to go ahead and find a awsomely researched BP and your skills are maxed by all means sell it for mineral cost I will turn around insure it and make more profit then you in less time. Did you really read anything?
Wouldn't it be smarter if you had an better BP and maxed skill to keep the price high so you make more. At the very least The price should be higher then The Insurence payoff.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 06/08/2003 17:23:58
Again I don't feel you read or maybe you missunderstood. I didn't say I will sell for those prices. I said those use to be the prices. And yes I have seen ppl sell for less then insurence price. EX....
With a good BP and maxed skill I have seen corps get the mineral cost to 2mill for an Omen. And what do they do they sell it for 2 mill. The Insure payoff is 4 mill.
lets do the math and see just how dumb that really is.
It still takes alot of Tri and pyr with takes awhile to mine. so.....
Mineing the minerals for one Omen 1 - 5 hours ( if waiting to a batch of 3 to produce - 10 to 14 hours.)
Production time 1.5 to 2.5 hours each.
You make your 2 mill profit yepy...
Now my turn....
Time it takes to buy Omen - 2 secs at 2mill
Time it takes to insure Omen - 2 secs at 1mill
Time it takes to have Omen destoyed - 5 to 10 mins
Profit I make 4.5 mill
Look destroy 2 buy 2 get one free. raise and recyle.
which one of us just made more and at whos expence.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 06/08/2003 17:27:57
I think the price should be by 2 things The cost of the Insurence and the payoff. So for that Omen.... payoff is 4.5M and cost for insurence is 1M Therfore it should be sold for 5.5M
And Again for those of you NOT reading I said insurence cost. Not NPC cost the prices I had writen were when I started playing.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 18:01:00 -
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Thats why I ask you to join. I don't have astros and some of my corpmates have Harvestor but not all. But thats not the point. Its Insurence payoff that is. Still takes you an hour to mine, and 2 hours to produce by that time I have rinsed and recycled insureinf and killing all your stock and making more then you off each ship you produce at your proudly low cost cause of your proudly trained skills and awsome BP.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 18:09:00 -
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LOL - See!!! I don't know what the rest of you are thinking.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 14:41:48
Burl can you sell me some Omens at 2mill I will buy 4 at a time if you sell them to me for 1.5mill
Dor - I tried tell these people before. I tried organizing something. but they don't listen and once you do something like the allience thing they get all defencive like some high schooler as if your trying to run there life and do the complete opposite.
If they want to lower there prices below INS let them I make more money that way.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:48:00 -
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Burl if you don't sell Omens what do you sell? ships that is. some people are starting to raise there prices and I need a new manufacture I can mak emoney off of.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:56:00 -
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Daesdemona -
Did you accually read what I said or look at the pretty numbers?
Thats was what the prices were at when I started playing. Do I think they should be back at those prices? maybe but I like the fact that you guys sell them lower then INS.
I make more money that way.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 16:01:04
Double Post
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 16:00:51
triple post
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 16:03:40
Humor??? Sorry it really really sounded like flaming sarcasim to me.
I got lots of sleep its 12pm here.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 16:02:54
didn't mean to offend or triple post
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:54:00 -
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What!!?? The government regulates prices what are you talking about?? Illegial??
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