Sorry, but if you're only getting 4 cans, you suck the balls.

I'm averaging 6 with 7 occasionally attainable.

I've not worked out the full amount gained yet, but I've pulled about 70 mill in T2 salvage alone.

Stop grabbing the scrap cans, you scrub and go for all the others.

Also, stop bitching about something new that you clearly don't know how to use properly yet.

I like the part where CCP owes you a simple easy way to fund 3 accounts for free.

You should quit. Clearly they broke the winning of Eve.

Sorry, but if you're only getting 4 cans, you suck the balls.

I'm averaging 6 with 7 occasionally attainable.

I've not worked out the full amount gained yet, but I've pulled about 70 mill in T2 salvage alone (from 10 sites)

Stop grabbing the scrap cans, you scrub and go for all the others.

Also, stop bitching about something new that you clearly don't know how to use properly yet.

I have clicked 8,580 times.


Really? You counted that?

You have too much time on your hands and CCP knows it.

Good thing they found a way to keep you busy.

Well, I have a problem with people complaining about new features that "break my fun".

They removed rats from the Exploration/Data sites, you can do it in a Heron now, cheaply. The fact that it makes it non-elite for you and your 6Bill ship is irrelevant.

I am sick and tired of hearing people on channels and the forums griping about how CCP is making everything "HARD". Wahhh!!!!! You just want to warp in, open a can and collect 100M and warp out. But everyone else should have to work for it, right? Miners? PVPers?

I don't know what sites you were doing, but you understand that certain null mag sites used to yeld me from 60m to 200m+ pre Oddysey PER SITE. If its Gurista or Serp sites you were doing, and you are happy for 70m from 10 sites then im just gonna stop exploration couse its hillarious how bad it it for ISK making.

In case you hadn't guessed, I do know how the old sites used to work. I also did a mixture of the new radar/mag sites - enough to get a general idea of how they work and how the loot is distributed. Unless I'm missing out on one holy grail of sites that always drops tons of loot then my sample is enough.

No dude, it has nothing to do with that at all. I could do them with a heron before actually. Only now it's worthless, time consuming and ridiculously click-intensive.

Worthless? I think not. If it were worthless, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Has the average ISK value of loot from a site gone down? It will if you fail a hack, yes, but not when it spawns.

Time consuming? Anything that makes money in the economy will consume your time. The most money-making endeavors seem to be rather boring, if you look at the averages. The exciting stuff tends to pay very little in comparison. PVPers who do only that almost *universally* have to have PVE alts and professions.

Click-intensive? Maybe, but if you didn't have auto-repeat on your pew-pew spitters, you'd be complaining about sore fingers in PVP, too, wouldn't you?

It can use tweaking, maybe, but Exploration is now 10x more accessible than it was before, which means that more people will do it. If anything, CCP is going to be more focused on balancing site spawn rates than mechanics of clicking, because sites are going to become more rare to find, effectively.

THE ENTIRE POINT of EVE is to have fun. Not accessible to everyone but FUN and as accessible to everyone it can be whilst still being FUN.

This new mechanic is not FUN in any way. It is horrible repetitive and frustrating because of how luck and click intensive it is. Sure it's accessible. But no-one wants to ride the free, accessible ****** bus if you just get repeatedly poked in the eye whilst you ride it.

So go do something else. Let the more patient and tolerant players handle these enraging things.

Hacking a site is not really luck intensive if you have help. Have 3 people picking up cans next time, like the devs recommended in the videos. Further, it is not 'luck' if (just like with everything in Eve) you are properly skilled to the level that the sites are geared toward.

You watch, in the coming weeks, there will be sites with data popping up on fansites that list numbers of Firewalls in each pattern, Utilities, etc. When that happens (like it did with Anoms, Wormholes, everything else "grind" related), you will see that your 70,000 clicks is highly exaggerated.

Simple answer - stop crying about being completely **** at hacking/archaeology and go do something else.

If you don't enjoy it, don't do it. There's plenty more for you to do.

I've been playing around with this on and off since I patched and I've got 3-4 other people in corp doing it because it's addictively fun.

Don't take this whiny brat's "I can't do it so it's clearly not fun at all" attitude and try for yourself. It's not going to be for everyone, but there will be plenty opf people that do enjoy doing it.

Well, I have a problem with people complaining about new features that "break my fun".

They removed rats from the Exploration/Data sites, you can do it in a Heron now, cheaply. The fact that it makes it non-elite for you and your 6Bill ship is irrelevant.

I am sick and tired of hearing people on channels and the forums griping about how CCP is making everything "HARD". Wahhh!!!!! You just want to warp in, open a can and collect 100M and warp out. But everyone else should have to work for it, right? Miners? PVPers?

THE ENTIRE POINT of EVE is to have fun. Not accessible to everyone but FUN and as accessible to everyone it can be whilst still being FUN.

it's addictively fun..

my 6bil nightmare/loki combo + knowledge, experience and effort of flying finding and doing mag sites in null used to be enough.

Except from the Hacking in Odyssey Devblog found here.

"In other words, to remove the "sit and wait" aspect of Exploration gameplay and replace it with something interesting to do."

Call me mental, but if their own words are to say "we don't want you to sit there and do nothing while you wait for the module to finish", then why in the heck would they expect you to bring someone else with you?

You've gone from yourself waiting for the module, to your friend waiting for you to 1.) finish doing the mini-game, 2.) hoping it doesn't blow up in your face, and 3.) hoping the boxes don't fly off in the wrong direction, simply so they can double click flying little blips.

End result, someone is still ends up waiting.

Sorry, but the argument of 'just bring a friend to gather the boxes" doesn't fly.

You've gone from yourself waiting for the module, to your friend waiting for you to 1.) finish doing the mini-game, 2.) hoping it doesn't blow up in your face, and 3.) hoping the boxes don't fly off in the wrong direction, simply so they can double click flying little blips.

End result, someone is still ends up waiting.

Sorry, but the argument of 'just bring a friend to gather the boxes" doesn't fly.

I agree the clicking in nullsec sites is extreme. I wrote in the test forum they should go for smaller grid where more time is spent on thinking about strategic moves instead.

Your loot average sounds pretty low to me tho. I think you missed out on a lot of goodies because you have to get used to the loot spew first and learn which cans to chose.

You watch, in the coming weeks, there will be sites with data popping up on fansites that list numbers of Firewalls in each pattern, Utilities, etc. When that happens (like it did with Anoms, Wormholes, everything else "grind" related), you will see that your 70,000 clicks is highly exaggerated.

Dear CCP,

Please keep hacking just the way it is now. It means less people doing it, and more for me.

Sincerely,
Lots of players.

I am sick and tired of hearing people on channels and the forums griping about how CCP is making everything "HARD". Wahhh!!!!! You just want to warp in, open a can and collect 100M and warp out. But everyone else should have to work for it, right? Miners? PVPers?

I like the part where CCP owes you a simple easy way to fund 3 accounts for free.

THE ENTIRE POINT of EVE is to have fun. Not accessible to everyone but FUN and as accessible to everyone it can be whilst still being FUN.

This new mechanic is not FUN in any way. It is horrible repetitive and frustrating because of how luck and click intensive it is. Sure it's accessible. But no-one wants to ride the free, accessible ****** bus if you just get repeatedly poked in the eye whilst you ride it.

Sorry, but if you're only getting 4 cans, you suck the balls.

I'm averaging 6 with 7 occasionally attainable.

I've not worked out the full amount gained yet, but I've pulled about 70 mill in T2 salvage alone (from 10 sites)

Stop grabbing the scrap cans, you scrub and go for all the others.

Also, stop bitching about something new that you clearly don't know how to use properly yet.

Well, I have a problem with people complaining about new features that "break my fun".

They removed rats from the Exploration/Data sites, you can do it in a Heron now, cheaply. The fact that it makes it non-elite for you and your 6Bill ship is irrelevant.

I am sick and tired of hearing people on channels and the forums griping about how CCP is making everything "HARD". Wahhh!!!!! You just want to warp in, open a can and collect 100M and warp out. But everyone else should have to work for it, right? Miners? PVPers?

Nobody is complaing they are making things hard, they complain because CCP just make things take longer to complete, after all this is a game and you want to have fun right?

Most people use PVE to pay for PVP and like myself I hate grinding isk to have fun, everytime people find a nice quick way to make cash CCP just "balance" it so it takes 25% longder to do.

I don't use a "infinity isk carrier/tengu and lvl 5 all my skills" to feel safe I do it to save time, so when CCP tell me that that 700million days I just spent shaving 0.4 seconds off my wing mirrors deploying now take 30 seconds longer you can see why people get annoyed.

THe real question is was it ever meant to be as good money as it was before or did they just fix what they never got to fix before?

I"The most important and coolest audio feature in this case is the ability to hover over the yet-to-be-clicked nodes and, as part of the soundscape, hear very subtle changes to the sounds of the computer you are trying to hack."

Deaf players and those who play with sound off will really appreciate this. Especially since there is no visual equivalent for the information.

You'll have to explain to me how you got reduced value when it is both faster and you can grab more and better loot.

My guess would be that you are bad at it, but i'm willing to give you a chance to explain yourself

I dunno about you but I haven't found any cans with 14x capacitor consoles in them post-patch.

You sir, are a ******. The 'faster speed' and 'better loot' you are referring to is, in fact, a decrease in overall ISK/HOUR (at least as far as I can tell).

I dunno about you but I haven't found any cans with 14x capacitor consoles in them post-patch.

Guess confirmed, baddie is angry and lash at others :(

Nah I'm just p mad. The looting is worth ~less~ because of the reduced barriers to entry. As for actual like for like loot tables I've yet to find anything myself that remotely suggests that.