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Zapa Cheenie Ab Initio Ad Astra 1	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:36:00 - [1] - Quote This may just be me.... Buuuuttttt... Does anyone else feel this way? I find it rather cheesy that your ship can just find them as soon as you jump right into a new system. It seems to punish the hard working miners who would go out of their way to probe down the secret spots. After all, that's what made them so appealing. You may as well just make them regular ol' asteroid belts now. Gankers and pirates profit from this especially, just in time for Hulkageddon too!
Cronus Zontanos Places and Stuff Inc. 17	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:52:00 - [2] - Quote I've lived in WH's for most of my EVE career. I'ts kind of annoying for us because it removes that extra layer of protection. Granted we always operate under the assumption they already have the sites scanned, but it's still something else to think about. You do make a good point though. Now being able to scan them down carries no extra reward, and yea they might as well be normal belts. Just seems like a weird change with no real good justification.
Eurydia Vespasian Nova Insula Mining and Industrial 3455	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:54:00 - [3] - Quote I haven't been able to play odyssey yet due to bein out of town but this is indeed pretty icy the one change that has me bothered a little.
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 395	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:56:00 - [4] - Quote I thought it was somewhat stupid TBH. CCP want people to do industry in NullSec but just made the sites where all the slow ships which have no defence abilities at all are insta-scan. Buffs ores so people want to mine them, make them so risky people stay in Empire for better ISK/H. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
Zircon Dasher 199	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:56:00 - [5] - Quote I don't like bananas. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Prototype SV-17 State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:56:00 - [6] - Quote Zapa Cheenie wrote: This may just be me.... Buuuuttttt... Does anyone else feel this way? I find it rather cheesy that your ship can just find them as soon as you jump right into a new system. It seems to punish the hard working miners who would go out of their way to probe down the secret spots. After all, that's what made them so appealing. You may as well just make them regular ol' asteroid belts now. Gankers and pirates profit from this especially, just in time for Hulkageddon too! "Ore site" is just a term for an asteroid belt that happens to take less effort to locate than a normal one. Go figure.
Anti-social Tendencies School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 22	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:02:00 - [7] - Quote Zapa Cheenie wrote: This may just be me.... Buuuuttttt... Does anyone else feel this way? I find it rather cheesy that your ship can just find them as soon as you jump right into a new system. It seems to punish the hard working miners who would go out of their way to probe down the secret spots. After all, that's what made them so appealing. You may as well just make them regular ol' asteroid belts now. Gankers and pirates profit from this especially, just in time for Hulkageddon too! I agree and I've been saying the same thing for quite a while. I have to ask though.... this information has been available for a long time. It was announced in the Dev Blogs. Why didn't you voice your opinion then? I can only hope that if enough folks voice their opinion that CCP may change their mind. This is a change that really hurts miners yet they didn't make a similar change that would hurt PvE players running sig sites. My guess is that CCP has other reasons for this change that they haven't chosen to share since the reason they did give, makes no sense the context of the rest of the Odyssey changes. "Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 2353	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:14:00 - [8] - Quote I'm loving it because I could never be arsed to scan for anything valuable when I used to mine more. Now I'll be able to find the lowsec ores in highsec really easy and some of the nullsec ores in lowsec. Blew my mind to see that there was a gneiss, dark ochre, and crockite site just a jump from home today, I never bothered scanning the lowsec gravs before today, hopefully this'll drive prices down :D The Drake is a Lie
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 3596	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:16:00 - [9] - Quote Yup. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Zevuli Ab Initio Ad Astra 0	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:18:00 - [10] - Quote Zapa Cheenie wrote: This may just be me.... Buuuuttttt... Does anyone else feel this way? I find it rather cheesy that your ship can just find them as soon as you jump right into a new system. It seems to punish the hard working miners who would go out of their way to probe down the secret spots. After all, that's what made them so appealing. You may as well just make them regular ol' asteroid belts now. Gankers and pirates profit from this especially, just in time for Hulkageddon too! I too agree with you my corp brethren, I really miss the safety of the hidden sites, Asteroid belts are like public restrooms completely tainted by ore munchers that take from your profit as well as the occasional ganker that sees you have a load of ore worth a couple million and deems it worthy of a suicide gank in a catalyst.. Oh and word of warning everyone if you see a venture out mining with you and it just approaches you warp out immediately(Bad Experience).
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 613	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:48:00 - [11] - Quote Anti-social Tendencies wrote: Zapa Cheenie wrote: This may just be me.... Buuuuttttt... Does anyone else feel this way? I find it rather cheesy that your ship can just find them as soon as you jump right into a new system. It seems to punish the hard working miners who would go out of their way to probe down the secret spots. After all, that's what made them so appealing. You may as well just make them regular ol' asteroid belts now. Gankers and pirates profit from this especially, just in time for Hulkageddon too! I agree and I've been saying the same thing for quite a while. I have to ask though.... this information has been available for a long time. It was announced in the Dev Blogs. Why didn't you voice your opinion then? I can only hope that if enough folks voice their opinion that CCP may change their mind. This is a change that really hurts miners yet they didn't make a similar change that would hurt PvE players running sig sites. My guess is that CCP has other reasons for this change that they haven't chosen to share since the reason they did give, makes no sense the context of the rest of the Odyssey changes. People did voice their opinion yet here we are. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Alaekessa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 90	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:54:00 - [12] - Quote I agree too, though I was also under the impression that they were removing Asteroid Belts entirely and replacing them with gravs. C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust.....
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1947	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:54:00 - [13] - Quote It's not just you, it's dumb.
Icarus Able Pheonix Corp Selectus 19	Posted - 2013.06.05 01:02:00 - [14] - Quote Yeh this is gonna suck gonna have to have either alts on every hole or a heavy fleet on site to mien gravs now.
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 322	Posted - 2013.06.05 01:14:00 - [15] - Quote Zircon Dasher wrote: I don't like bananas. YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
Capt Tenguru10 Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities 327	Posted - 2013.06.05 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote I don't mine , however I must say you Indy guys got screwed royally. http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif
TomNewDelhi The 21st Exploratory Division The Corcu Loigde Alliance 2	Posted - 2013.06.05 01:48:00 - [17] - Quote Anti-social Tendencies wrote: Zapa Cheenie wrote: This may just be me.... Buuuuttttt... Does anyone else feel this way? I find it rather cheesy that your ship can just find them as soon as you jump right into a new system. It seems to punish the hard working miners who would go out of their way to probe down the secret spots. After all, that's what made them so appealing. You may as well just make them regular ol' asteroid belts now. Gankers and pirates profit from this especially, just in time for Hulkageddon too! I agree and I've been saying the same thing for quite a while. I have to ask though.... this information has been available for a long time. It was announced in the Dev Blogs. Why didn't you voice your opinion then? I can only hope that if enough folks voice their opinion that CCP may change their mind. This is a change that really hurts miners yet they didn't make a similar change that would hurt PvE players running sig sites. My guess is that CCP has other reasons for this change that they haven't chosen to share since the reason they did give, makes no sense the context of the rest of the Odyssey changes. Because CCP like pewpew, only reason I can think of for this....
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 520	Posted - 2013.06.05 02:53:00 - [18] - Quote Ignoring safety for a moment, sites generally have higher grade ores in them than belts, so you were rewarded for the extra effort put in to scanning them by having a higher payoff. if you didn't care to take the extra effort, belts were a quick and easy way to mine. if you can just warp to ore sites now, then what's the point of belts at all? Is this the first step in removing belts or something? Are they going to bring us a new mining method that does take more effort to get more reward to replace sites that require probing?
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2013.06.05 03:03:00 - [19] - Quote Anti-social Tendencies wrote: I can only hope that if enough folks voice their opinion that CCP may change their mind. This is a change that really hurts miners yet they didn't make a similar change that would hurt PvE players running sig sites. Because that's the intention. This is a PvP game, and PvPers in all their bravo and all, still prefer mouthbreathing type ganking. Making it even simpler to gank, gives some bored players something to do. IsBox is in EvE for a reason, after all. Games aren't exactly novel or a "sandbox" as people want to believe, there's some basic mechanics in how PvP operates. Have to make it simple enough for mouthbreathers to understand and point and shoot, meanwhile supplying enough to point and shoot at. The rest the devs "let play" since it requires no additional scripting (or coding...which is why PvP is in MMOs, and don't think for a moment because "it's traditional!!!", they don't have to micromanage it, and allow the exploits and more to continue for years as it keeps mouthbreathers happy feeling they're "powerful"). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
TheButcherPete The James Gang SpaceMonkey's Alliance 250	Posted - 2013.06.05 03:33:00 - [20] - Quote Hehe. Move to 0.0, the grav sites spawned by Industry level are still cosmic signatures :D but they're a lot easier to scan down now Bzzt. GÖÑ Punkturis GÖÑ ElQuirko is my son
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 161	Posted - 2013.06.05 03:52:00 - [21] - Quote TheButcherPete wrote: Hehe. Move to 0.0, the grav sites spawned by Industry level are still cosmic signatures :D but they're a lot easier to scan down now Hey, always wanted to know what the low/null CSMs were fighting for. Interesting concept in "balancing". But when those low/null PvPers have to bring down their alt high sec miners to "play", I think the last laugh is poetic justice (as the ship changes are meant to get more pewpewpewers out into low/null). Change doesn't happen in a vacuum, but change happens when the powers-that-be suffer... "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3601	Posted - 2013.06.05 04:38:00 - [22] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: TheButcherPete wrote: Hehe. Move to 0.0, the grav sites spawned by Industry level are still cosmic signatures :D but they're a lot easier to scan down now Hey, always wanted to know what the low/null CSMs were fighting for. Interesting concept in "balancing". But when those low/null PvPers have to bring down their alt high sec miners to "play", I think the last laugh is poetic justice (as the ship changes are meant to get more pewpewpewers out into low/null). Change doesn't happen in a vacuum, but change happens when the powers-that-be suffer... You're a bit behind because we were trying that after the drone regions change but it turned out to be unnecessary, I am a nullsec zealot.
Minister of Death Ministry of War Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.06.05 05:24:00 - [23] - Quote Ya, it makes no sense. Par of the course for CCP some times. A lot of people did give feedback on this, but just like sometimes happens someone at CCP has their heart set on a change and it just happens regardless of feedback.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3601	Posted - 2013.06.05 05:27:00 - [24] - Quote Minister of Death wrote: Ya, it makes no sense. Par of the course for CCP some times. A lot of people did give feedback on this, but just like sometimes happens someone at CCP has their heart set on a change and it just happens regardless of feedback. Indeed, but here we are on the forums, trying to do something even harder, getting it changed after the fact. There is no old system. I am a nullsec zealot.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 711	Posted - 2013.06.05 05:28:00 - [25] - Quote Zircon Dasher wrote: I don't like bananas. Then starve ******! We only get them banananananas here...you dont like - you part of zzee problem! And Mounting a cyno and a warp disruptor on a skiff...brb "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 162	Posted - 2013.06.05 05:33:00 - [26] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: You're a bit behind because we were trying that after the drone regions change but it turned out to be unnecessary, Found another exploit, huh? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
OldWolf69 IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.06.05 05:56:00 - [27] - Quote Zapa Cheenie wrote: This may just be me.... Buuuuttttt... Does anyone else feel this way? I find it rather cheesy that your ship can just find them as soon as you jump right into a new system. It seems to punish the hard working miners who would go out of their way to probe down the secret spots. After all, that's what made them so appealing. You may as well just make them regular ol' asteroid belts now. Gankers and pirates profit from this especially, just in time for Hulkageddon too! I'm shure you meant to say "the hard working afk miners". Isn't it? Because non-afkers have eyes.
OldWolf69 IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:03:00 - [28] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: TheButcherPete wrote: Hehe. Move to 0.0, the grav sites spawned by Industry level are still cosmic signatures :D but they're a lot easier to scan down now Hey, always wanted to know what the low/null CSMs were fighting for. Interesting concept in "balancing". But when those low/null PvPers have to bring down their alt high sec miners to "play", I think the last laugh is poetic justice (as the ship changes are meant to get more pewpewpewers out into low/null). Change doesn't happen in a vacuum, but change happens when the powers-that-be suffer... Do you really think many nullsec boyz had miner alts in hisec? I ask because it's not worth. Wasn't worth before patch, is not worth now. Situation changes if you talk about the lowsec boyz. But shure, if you a hisec miner, you can believe somethign will change for the nullsec miners, risk wise. Bad moment: it wont. Ppl know very well what they face there. They get rich and usually don't die trying. Wh miners will be hit. That's completely true. But who said wh's are meant to mine in them? Generally spoken, who said someone is meant to mine AFK, so he can't see danger incoming? Sry for your butthurt, if you a afk multiboxer. But you deserve it.
Seetesh RTS - POS Deployments 45	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:40:00 - [29] - Quote I know they want to simplify eve for the masses who have either no real intellect or patients but this is just ridiculous. We should at least have a mini game of sorts using on board ship systems.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3601	Posted - 2013.06.05 06:45:00 - [30] - Quote OldWolf69 wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: TheButcherPete wrote: Hehe. Move to 0.0, the grav sites spawned by Industry level are still cosmic signatures :D but they're a lot easier to scan down now Hey, always wanted to know what the low/null CSMs were fighting for. Interesting concept in "balancing". But when those low/null PvPers have to bring down their alt high sec miners to "play", I think the last laugh is poetic justice (as the ship changes are meant to get more pewpewpewers out into low/null). Change doesn't happen in a vacuum, but change happens when the powers-that-be suffer... Do you really think many nullsec boyz had miner alts in hisec? I ask because it's not worth. Wasn't worth before patch, is not worth now. Situation changes if you talk about the lowsec boyz. But shure, if you a hisec miner, you can believe somethign will change for the nullsec miners, risk wise. Bad moment: it wont. Ppl know very well what they face there. They get rich and usually don't die trying. Wh miners will be hit. That's completely true. But who said wh's are meant to mine in them? Generally spoken, who said someone is meant to mine AFK, so he can't see danger incoming? Sry for your butthurt, if you a afk multiboxer. But you deserve it. Nerf local. Also, nerf friends and cooperation while your at it. I am a nullsec zealot.

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