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Iago Scarpia
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Posted - 2005.11.04 19:00:00 -
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I'm making a transition to mining barges for my corp, and I am looking for setups. I realize the options are somewhat limited, but does anyone have any ideas, basic or otherwise. Also, any advice as to skills beyond the necessary prerequisites would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Tulia
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Posted - 2005.11.04 19:18:00 -
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Strip miners/ice harvesters in high, roid scanner in med, nanofibers in lows. If solo, just put an armor repairer in low and some light or medium drones in the bay. There really aren't many ways to outfit a barge.
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Vivus Mors
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Posted - 2005.11.04 19:18:00 -
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well, it's pretty basic...
other than the skills that are mandatory for a covetor (the only barge that's really better than any reasonable alternative) you should basically focus on simple "maintainance" type skills that all players could benefit from.
things like engineering and electronics for more fitting space, not super crucial, but with Modulated Strip Miner 2's, the fittings that are already close become very tight.
possibly just enough skill to use a small capacitor battery if your Engineering/Energy Management skills aren't as high as you would like. Energy System Operation is also a nice skill, like having a Cap Recharger 2 for free at lv4 (20% bonus to recharge rate at lv4).
since barges are slow as can be to begin with, and since you're planning to mine with it anyhow, investing in an afterburner for it may seem ideal to get into the belt where you want to mine faster, but even with an AB, you're no exactly "screaming" along through space, so I've found that simply setting it and forgetting it a minute but keeping a more versatile fitting on the barge is more useful to the actual goal of mining, rather than trying to make a slow boat slightly less slow.
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Iago Scarpia
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:34:00 -
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Does anyone know what the best mining ships are. Maybe a top ten list?
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Cavy Dan
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:46:00 -
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What, do you mean except Barges?
Well...
1. Apoc.
2. Osprey, Scythe and any other cruiser with Mining Bonuses.
3. Mining Frigs, Bantam and such.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Iago Scarpia
Does anyone know what the best mining ships are. Maybe a top ten list?
at a guess, i'd say:
(moros)
covetor
apoc
mega
brutix
dominix
retriever
prophecy
pest
osprey
scythe
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Naughtulus
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:55:00 -
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Don't forget the arma.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:02:00 -
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The moros is having its drone bonus changed. It will no longer be able to mine effectively.
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Darpz
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Posted - 2005.11.05 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Iago Scarpia
Does anyone know what the best mining ships are. Maybe a top ten list?
at a guess, i'd say:
(moros)
covetor
apoc
mega
brutix
dominix
retriever
prophecy
pest
osprey
scythe
domi is actaully about equal to the apoc with simlar skills
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Pingping
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Posted - 2005.11.05 05:58:00 -
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Whats a good domi loadout for mining?
Right now I have the mining turtle fit...18,000HP and max speed of 63m/s 
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.05 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 05/11/2005 07:53:09
Originally by: Pingping
Whats a good domi loadout for mining?
Right now I have the mining turtle fit...18,000HP and max speed of 63m/s
18000HP? How many people do I have to see fitting a bunch of armour plates thinking they're invulnerable? Can you do something for me? Get the resistance of your armour against the types of damage the NPCs in the area you're mining in (thermal and kinetic if it's serpentis, thermal and EM if it's blood raider etc.). Add them together and divide that by 2. Then do 100 minus that number. Finally, divide 100 by the final number you get. Multiply that by the number of hitpoints you have. That's how much damage that armour can take on average. Now switch some of those plates for 50% active hardeners and try it again. Notice that number going up even though you have less HP? That means your armour can take more damage with hardeners on than loads of armour plates.
EDIT: So if you have 30% thermal and 40% kinetic resistance and are fighting serpentis, you'd do 30+40 = 70. 70 / 2 = 35. 100 - 35 = 65. 100 / 65 = 1.54. 18,000HP * 1.54 = 27720 damage you can take.
If you didn't bother going through that rigmarole, you can always just take my word for it ^^. Fitting more than one plate is inefficient and will reduce the effectiveness of your repairer because your repairer is more effective with higher resistances. Here's a setup I suggest:
High: 6 x miner II.
Med: Cap rechargers and a roid scanner (unless you're mining veldspar or something, in which case just mine it until it pops).
Low: 1 x large armour repairer, 1 x 1600mm armour plate if you like, 4 x assorted armour hardeners depending on the damage types the NPCs you're tanking are dealing.
Drones: A swarm of Mining drone Is, at least. IIs if you can use and afford them. Harvesters if you're made of solid gold :p.
That should keep you fairly safe while you mine. You should be able to tank any belt spawn in any empire system. Mine to a jettisoned can and then pick it up in a hauler. Best to do this in lower security space and watch out for player pirates since ore theives are common in high security space. Make sure to only release your drones once all the enemy ships are attacking you, otherwise they could become targets (and weak ones at that).
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.11.05 08:01:00 -
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Dumb as it may sound the domi can double-duty as a pvp ship when any enemy not in a battleship or hac comes in. I took to swapping one of my midslots for a scrambler. If you can use 13+ drones you'll mince a t1 cruiser while being able to tank their damage.
Oh, and if you're uber-paranoid you can try fitting 2-4 stabs in the lows instead. A plate or a repper is typically enough to deal with most low-sec rat spawns and this setup allows you to run from the dedicated pirate.
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2005.11.05 08:10:00 -
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My setup for my Retriever. With this setup I can solo mine 0.5 (haven't tried 0.4, but I figure I can with a little extra work).
2x Strip Is (We'll see how my setup lasts when I get to Strip IIs)
1x CPR I
1x Small Armor Rep
1x 200mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
5x Valkyrie I
I usually try to let my drones take the hits and call them back as they get targetted. It's rare that I get attacked, but when I do, it's not a problem. I've never been below 50% armor. If it looks like you're going to take a beating, just make sure to turn off your strip miners for a few minutes so you can keep the tank going while your drones clean up. I reckon this setup will work even better after the drone changes, as the Retriever will likely have 3 medium drones instead of 5, so drone interfacing will bump their damage up to that of 6 drones and then they also get the drone HP bonus.
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Scots Crusader
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Posted - 2005.11.05 09:00:00 -
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If you are solo mining in 0.5 put on a sensor booster so you get a lock further out. A large barge has a lock range of 22km i think. a few rats will have started popping you by the time your drones go to work.
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Andarvi
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Posted - 2005.11.05 09:29:00 -
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I've use a passive shield tank setup for mining ice in 0.7 - 0.8.. you can tank most (small) spawns forever that way..
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Vivus Mors
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Posted - 2005.11.06 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vivus Mors on 06/11/2005 07:00:48
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Iago Scarpia
Does anyone know what the best mining ships are. Maybe a top ten list?
at a guess, i'd say:
(moros)
covetor
apoc
mega
brutix
dominix
retriever
prophecy
pest
osprey
scythe
domi is actaully about equal to the apoc with simlar skills
nope, the one and only way a Domi can match an Apoc is if you have Gallente BS lv5 (which will actually be "changed" in the near future to a different bonus in RMR I believe)
Presuming both pilots have masterful drone skills already, the only way for a Domi to match an Apoc with 10 drones is to have 15 drones of its own. however to have those 15 drones you have to have Gallente BS lv5, where as the Apoc only needs Amarr BS lv2. Being a class 8 skill, that's a VERY wide disparity of training time, 8 hours or so for Amarr BS lv2 versus 30 or so days for Gallente BS lv5.
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2005.11.06 07:57:00 -
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I wouldn't count the Domi out so easily. Sure its mining yield os going to be less than the Apoc, but what happens when you're solo mining in 0.0 and you get a BS spawn? Apoc has to pack up and go because all your high slots are fitted with mining lasers. The Domi's main weapon (drones) are still sitting in the bay ready for use. You can still fit a tank and mine and fight in a Dominix. Less total mining yield for the same skills, but much more flexability.
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