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Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
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Posted - 2013.06.05 02:33:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I 3 volley elite frigates in a regular drake and not even on it's lowest resist (angel rats).
You're either not using precision missiles or your missile skills are just bad in general.
PS its because the navy drake is bad |
Combatevolved
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Posted - 2013.06.05 02:45:00 -
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What I do not get is this:
"5% bonus to Heavy Assault and Heavy Missile explosion radius per level"
Does this increase the explosion radius or decrease it?
If it increases it, it will do **** damage to anything less than cruiser. Unless they are using MWD.
If it decreases it, it will do about 75% HAM fury, which doesnt seem to be happening.
All level 5 skills. |
Combatevolved
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Posted - 2013.06.05 02:55:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:Some suggestions.
1. Use a TP.
2. Use your drone bay, thats what scout drones are for.
3. Make sure that the two skills listed in the previous post are @ 4.
4. Use HAMs, they have much better explosion radius stats.
There is no way in high hell that the DNI has worse damage application than a regular Drake. Unless there is a game bug of course.
Read my post
Do you know how "5% bonus to Heavy Assault and Heavy Missile explosion radius per level" works? |
Combatevolved
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Posted - 2013.06.05 03:18:00 -
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Hmm:
Being more mobile, able to project missiles more effectively at range, against smaller targets and on a wider selection of damage types, this ship is ideal to support small scale conflicts and raids.
10m/s about 1mkg lighter.
Project missiles far.
More EPH
Strong against smaller targets, I am not sure...
If it is stronger against smaller ships, this would make the ultimate frig/dessy killer. **** at other BC. If your missile hits a target whose signature radius is greater than the explosion radius of your missile then the explosion velocity of your missile is increased by the same multiple. Rig against explosion velocity. Might be more viable.
So I am not sure what the niche of this ship is? What is it suppose to be good at killing? What give it an edge over using another ship?
There are cheaper/better alternatives for the price and ship size. |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 03:54:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:its niche is it's a real long range missile platform with selectable damage type
Doesn't the cerberus already take care of that? |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 05:35:00 -
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I think you are giving too much credit to that bonus. I've been using calculators and it only helps about 5 damage for a standard shield fit frig. Dessy helps around 10.
So instead of doing 20 damage, you do 25 against frig. Instead of 50 damage against dessy, 60. Cruiser is little bit better with +20, 75ish damage total. BC full damage. This is using Caldari scourge HAM.
For less tank, not much more DPS. There is more launchers, but barely squeeze a lower EPH tank than T1 drake. Barely more DPS than T1 drake. (about 10 dps more, 500 more volley).
HM are worse to fit. About the same damage increase as hams, does less damage.
Farthest shooting is 95km. That isn't that far for BC sniping and the damage isn't instant.
HAMs get out damage by other Navy BC, worst tank. Bit faster(not much).
Can you post a fit that will be viable in most engagements? Against say, other navy BC, T1 BC, even cruisers.
Nano is the only fit I can find, and it isn't even that good.
*shrug*
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:57:00 -
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I was talking about 1 single HAM missile.
I guess the difference is the little bit of damage increase and speed. Not worth it. I feel sorry for the people that bought it because, OMG NEW SHIP!!!11.
Probably when the price settles it will be 200mill, maybe cheaper. I don't see it being used for lvl 3 missions, PVP, or really much of anything. The little bonus you do get does not match the price. What is funny is CCP answer to this, stop being cheap. I guess they are running out of money sinks so they added these new BC to add a new sink.
Quote:A regular drake with 1 rigor 1 flare rig (most it can do without cpu implants and using faction BCUs) will do 499 damage per volley using precision scourge heavy missiles. This is with a cycle time of 6.1 seconds totalling 81.4 DPS
A navy drake using heavy assault javelins and 1 rigor 1 flare setup and nova javelins will do 470 damage per volley but with a cycle time of 3.2 seconds meaning 146.8 DPS
If you fit all 8 launchers, you cannot fit both rigor or flare. If you want to calculate this for PvE that is fine, but I am talking PvP. CCP wants to add 5% more PG to solve this issue.
I think the issue is the point of the ship. An oversized Dessy killer? Only one way to fit it to survive a BCvsBC fight and that is nano.
Very niche play for an expensive hull. |
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