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Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.11.06 16:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Zarthanon Some of you remember when people actually knew what they were talking about? My guess would be the time when the war bills were all messed up. Like when a corp left and then joined the alliance, the bill would go up like 10 fold, something like that. I'm definately exploiting here, sure. I think that anybody who leaves an alliance during a war should be banned from the game. That would take out roughtly 1/2 of what was the former Xetic Alliance, one corp from .5., some more from this current war, etc. Shutup dude, and get your facts straight. (I can't seem to get my opinions straight btw, but a CVA guy cleared that up) Sorry, I am confused here. What is you point? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Zarthanon	Posted - 2005.11.06 16:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Zarthanon Some of you remember when people actually knew what they were talking about? My guess would be the time when the war bills were all messed up. Like when a corp left and then joined the alliance, the bill would go up like 10 fold, something like that. I'm definately exploiting here, sure. I think that anybody who leaves an alliance during a war should be banned from the game. That would take out roughtly 1/2 of what was the former Xetic Alliance, one corp from .5., some more from this current war, etc. Shutup dude, and get your facts straight. (I can't seem to get my opinions straight btw, but a CVA guy cleared that up) Sorry, I am confused here. What is you point? Some Snigg guy replyed to my post about how I had to move things around and I left the alliance so I could do so. And him saying I'm using an exploit. I just woke up so I can't exactly remember what I just posted. Originally by: ParMizaN i mayv or may nit abe a bit drunk Originally by: Buddrow TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.11.06 16:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Zarthanon Some Snigg guy replyed to my post about how I had to move things around and I left the alliance so I could do so. And him saying I'm using an exploit. I just woke up so I can't exactly remember what I just posted. LOL. It is OK, I can understand. Perhaps, it should be something about embracing cowardice, no offense taken yea? I just got confused by the conversation. But, thanks for explaining ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Zarthanon	Posted - 2005.11.06 16:43:00 - [34] Edited by: Zarthanon on 06/11/2005 16:43:14 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Zarthanon Some Snigg guy replyed to my post about how I had to move things around and I left the alliance so I could do so. And him saying I'm using an exploit. I just woke up so I can't exactly remember what I just posted. LOL. It is OK, I can understand. Perhaps, it should be something about embracing cowardice, no offense taken yea? I just got confused by the conversation. But, thanks for explaining Yeah, I'm such a coward for not comitting suicide by flying my indy around empire w/ 5+ empire wars. Think what you want, ever heard of alts? Originally by: ParMizaN i mayv or may nit abe a bit drunk Originally by: Buddrow TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO
Seleene	Posted - 2005.11.06 17:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Ugluuk MC are good but not uber like some people think.. We just wanted a war against people that shot back. - 'You have foolishly engaged the MC in Empire space. Prepare to suffer the consequences!'
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.06 17:19:00 - [36] So it appears MC should be able to retract the war without any difficulties when the contract expires, and this move by -V- is simply an ISK-saving tip of the hat to our latest adversary, in line with usual practice (eg NBSI). So really, nothing changes and this shouldn't even be news, let alone an opportunity to smacktalk.
semp	Posted - 2005.11.06 18:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Zarthanon Why would "V" declare the war with mercenary coalition mutual? It just doesn't make sense. The first day of the war they got hit pretty damn hard. But TBH, I've never seen a reputable merc corp lose a contract or anything for a sustained amount of time. This just allows MC to issue surrender terms, say maybe something having to do with V's cap II BPO (I'm 90% sure they have one), and just cost them more money. Bad choice if you ask me. Why hasn't anyone locked this rubbish yet? We like to fight, they like to fight = mutual fight. No X Files here im affraid.
Light Darkness	Posted - 2005.11.06 18:41:00 - [38] Dear MC. -V- already got 2 weeks fight against 3 honourable alliances in the NC area. So you are now No 4. 1st. You declared on us the war. 2nd. We make them mutual. 3rd. You want it and we make it mutual. So wait and stay prepared. Lets have fun. Regard /LD -V-President -V-Fleet Command -V- Public Killboard
Seleene	Posted - 2005.11.06 18:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Light Darkness 1st. You declared on us the war. Quote: Yup. Quote: 2nd. We make them mutual. Means our client saves 50-100 mil a week. Quote: 3rd. You want it and we make it mutual. Just doing what we're paid to do, sir. Quote: So wait and stay prepared. Lets have fun. No doubt. - 'You have foolishly engaged the MC in Empire space. Prepare to suffer the consequences!'
Light Darkness	Posted - 2005.11.06 19:14:00 - [40] Nice. So we both understand. Regards /LD -V-President -V-Fleet Command -V- Public Killboard
Drilla	Posted - 2005.11.06 19:18:00 - [41] Alternatively MC could keep the money - why do the client gain from it being mutual between respected partners. That doesn't make sense. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
slothe	Posted - 2005.11.06 19:40:00 - [42] Originally by: Drilla Alternatively MC could keep the money - why do the client gain from it being mutual between respected partners. That doesn't make sense. it shows that mc dont do it for the money, but for the targets.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2005.11.06 19:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Zarthanon Edited by: Zarthanon on 06/11/2005 16:04:31 Originally by: Xavier X Originally by: Zarthanon Originally by: Obidios Put your F-E alliance tagon in settings.... Oh, wait... We'll be back in a war with you guys shortly... I just had massive amounts of stuff around empire that I had to pick up, and you guys would have highly hampered that had I still had wars. Just about done, nother 195 jump trip in my hauler and I'll be ready. ---- Some of you may remember when leaving a corp durring war and rejoining it just to avoid being shot at was considdered an exploit..........sound familiar? Some of you remember when people actually knew what they were talking about? My guess would be the time when the war bills were all messed up. Like when a corp left and then joined the alliance, the bill would go up like 10 fold, something like that. I'm definately exploiting here, sure. I think that anybody who leaves an alliance during a war should be banned from the game. That would take out roughtly 1/2 of what was the former Xetic Alliance, one corp from .5., some more from this current war, etc. Shutup dude, and get your facts straight. (I can't seem to get my opinions straight btw, but a CVA guy cleared that up) ' please forgive zarth hes a uni*** left over that escaped the cage Originally by:** Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Drilla	Posted - 2005.11.06 19:49:00 - [44] Then why be merc and not just pirates? Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Christopher Multsanti	Posted - 2005.11.06 19:56:00 - [45] I am not sure what you mean drilla? The money the client saves is the war costs, they still have to pay MC to wage said war. Which I am sure is a lot more than 50-100 mill a week. Thorax FTW! Hi, I am your friendly neighbourhood spy!
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2005.11.06 20:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 06/11/2005 07:02:08 TBH I had the same questions as Zarth. If V thinks that we are in this for fun or as some sort of amusement then they have grossly misread the situation. We are enjoying the fights and V seems to have a lot of heart, but when our contract comes to an end that will be the end of it. That's the difference between mercenaries and knights in shiny armor (us ofcourse ), we keep on fighting and don't need a contract to tell us when to stop
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.06 20:10:00 - [47] It boils down to this: We are -V- and this is how we do things. They are MC and that is how they do things. The two philosophies are not contradictory at all, they are merely cultural differences which will have little impact on the way the war is fought.
Lek'karion	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Drilla Then why be merc and not just pirates? In case anyone is interested, payments are always X(whatever Seleene says it is for the opportunity to kill folks) + war costs. Since war costs are 0 now, it's just X+0 :) ....................................... FREEDING FRENZY ______)\______)\_____/(_______ ______)\______\o/____/(_______
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.11.06 22:55:00 - [49] I find this move by -V- to be more than strange. If it were any other alliance I would applaud the decision, but not against MC. Effectively your decision to make the war mutual has only reduced the cost of the contract for MC's client(s). And as soon as the contract expires, if MC remain true to form, they will simply retract the war (basically surrendering) and make a statement to that effect. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Pepperami	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:19:00 - [50] Perhaps it is just that the politics of someone else paying is irrelevent to us, we just appreciate a fight.. We're here to play, and if they give us fun, then sure mutual is good. I don't think there's any intention to persue MC beyond the duration of their contract, we'd have no reason to. If F-E want to pay people to fight their fight, it's their choice, it's a bit sad but f-e aren't a pvp alliance so it's understandable. Doesn't matter to -v-, we're here to have fun, MC are providing that fun.. Why put isk into a sink? That's my oppinion btw, nothing official ofc. [We're Recruiting!] [http://spankage.co.uk/]
Seleene	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:27:00 - [51] I just wanted to say, for the record, that V has the most agressive pilots I've flown against since we started the MC. FoE was a fun war with tons of fights, but V makes you work for every kill. V warps into us and fights. We warp into V and they stay to fight. Niether side seems to be trying to dodge a good slugfest when the odds are anywhere close to even and they don't scatter and log even when the odds start to stack against them. Very little smack in local combined with some of the best EW I've ever seen... V is making us earn this paycheck. - 'You have foolishly engaged the MC in Empire space. Prepare to suffer the consequences!'
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.11.06 23:36:00 - [52] WTB: Seleene Corpse.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.11.07 00:05:00 - [53] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 07/11/2005 00:05:01 We just lub MCs^^ ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Zarthanon	Posted - 2005.11.07 00:10:00 - [54] Originally by: Dianabolic WTB: Seleene Corpse. I know someone that has one of these... Her name starts with "F". And the person that has the unnamed one's corpse starts with "S" (spent a pretty penny on that one). Originally by: ParMizaN i mayv or may nit abe a bit drunk Originally by: Buddrow TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO
Rafus	Posted - 2005.11.07 01:30:00 - [55] MC are awesome, V, some good fights, very fun and always stay for the fight. w00t. im drunk btw :\
Enosh Kerrim	Posted - 2005.11.07 06:59:00 - [56] Its all a question of how u wanna act in a game. our opinion is no need for smack , no need to log out (except i have to do something else),if u have to fight -> we fight .nobody said u will always win but what u lose is a ship and money what u cant lose is your honourand the awesome feeling if u smash ur enemy 2:1 outnumbered. If u ever want to apply for -V- make sure u have a beserkermode button u can switch on anytime
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.11.07 08:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Zarthanon And the person that has the unnamed one's corpse starts with "S" (spent a pretty penny on that one). nothing to do with me however it was somebody else in the mc that bought it :) ( sel) Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.11.07 09:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Seleene I just wanted to say, for the record, that V has the most agressive pilots I've flown against since we started the MC. FoE was a fun war with tons of fights, but V makes you work for every kill. V warps into us and fights. We warp into V and they stay to fight. Niether side seems to be trying to dodge a good slugfest when the odds are anywhere close to even and they don't scatter and log even when the odds start to stack against them. Very little smack in local combined with some of the best EW I've ever seen... V is making us earn this paycheck. Agreed. After numerous fights both with 5 and VI, I have to say that VI have more guts and are tougher to kill. Sometimes that does not work to good for them (like yesterday), but I think they have proven to be a very good PvP alliance so far. No idea why they would choose the pirates side in this war though. They does not seem to be the pirating/grieving type of players.
semp	Posted - 2005.11.07 10:05:00 - [59] "No idea why they would choose the pirates side in this war though. They does not seem to be the pirating/grieving type of players." ??? You invade our space, attack our pilots and then have to hire a Merc Corp because you've bitten off more that you can chew......and you call us pirates....Priceless.
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2005.11.07 11:55:00 - [60] I think he meant to reply to the best pirate corp thread

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