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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2003.08.07 03:24:00 -
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Is it just me or has EVE turned into a huge scam pot? Everyone is out to screw you over... no one can be ever be trusted. Even high up members in major corps. I recently heard Everlasting Vendetta, who is supposed to be the good guys, well... they seem to be taking around 35% of their members mining. Some tax there, huh? My biggest deal is that all these major corps expect you to dish out everyday and help the big get bigger... how lame. People in major corps ask for your help to get a battleship and promise they'll help you in return, but guess what? as soon as they get their ship, they're gone... thanks for the help sucker! Its pretty sad how many crap deals, con artists, lame scammers, and pathetic lying corp members there really is out there. If you're in a corp with more than 10 or so members, you're wasting your time. Stop mining for the rich and team up in small corps and build yourself... I'm calling on all members slaving for their CEOs to go on strike. Its time the workers fought back!
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 03:30:00 -
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Just like real life.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.08.07 03:35:00 -
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Ya well, im kinda suprised that CCP does nothing about scamming.
A GM accually encouraged me to start scamming after a buddy of mine got scammed on a BB deal (yes he was trusting and got screwd, oh well).
In every other game ive played, if someone is a scammer, and you got evidence such as a log file, then they would be banned right away.
Not in EVE i guess.
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Syphin
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Posted - 2003.08.07 03:51:00 -
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I think this is just the mentality players have when they join. You either get scammed yourself of hear of a scam and you get frustrated so you eventually don't care anymore and begin scamming yourself. It is a horrible cycle that might go on forever.
This makes me sad  I think watching Arnold say he'll run for govenor will bring more happiness to my sad mining life.
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DrPRoberts
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Posted - 2003.08.07 03:53:00 -
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Hmm sure being scammed isn't fun, but who cares. :P You got fair warning on the box.
The nastiest bastard with the biggest badass attitude is obviously gonna win out in a capitalist environment, go with the flow or struggle against it :)
Don't whine.
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Jiere LaFortune
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Posted - 2003.08.07 04:01:00 -
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Scamming is just part of the game. Don't want to get scammed? Don't give access to your battleship BP to the guy that just joined yesterday. Don't want to slave in a big corp, don't join one. How hard is all that?
Pirate Bravado |
Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.08.07 04:58:00 -
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survival of the fittest all the way 
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Grandorr
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Posted - 2003.08.07 05:01:00 -
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something we have to deal with
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2003.08.07 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Alpha Centauri on 07/08/2003 06:34:56
A lot of corps, do not have any system to quantify what a member has put into the corp and what is owed to that member.
As we like to make our own ships in our corp, one of our entry requirements is mining.
We measure this mining, by using an online system we built, available through EVE browser that allows our members to log the ore they mine for the corp in detail, and allows the directors and CEO to authorise each log.
All members then have a statistical view of what they and their fellow membres have mined, this is a measurement of how much every member has put into the corp, and helps us decide, what we owe them.
We have been told by members that our system is different to other corps, and a lot better as they can see exactly who has done what.
Our aim is to get everyone in a battleship, but we do not hand them out to people who have not mined enough ore to gain the minerals for their battleship.
heres our corps stats to date :]
Total Units: approx 369420641.4 m3 of Ore
Total Time Spent Mining: approx 428 Hours
This would have filled 49256.08552 Indy's of 7500 cargo space
This would have taken 2736449.1955556 trips in a rookie ship :P
Shameless plug: If you want to buy this system from me in ISK, its coded in php and mysql and i can give you a demo of it. 
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Aeryn
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:01:00 -
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 Quote:
Beware the Spoons
There is no spoon! 
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Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:01:00 -
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Its all down to the luck of the draw I think, the corp I have been involved with since Beta has a great crowd, and as for our CEO, I would trust him with my RL cash just as much as I trust him with my Isk. I cant say fairer than that
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:13:00 -
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Some people in the game will scam. Thats life.
There is however a difference between legally scamming and illegally scamming.
If you hand something over to someone without seeing what they are giving in reply, you've been legally scammed. Everquest had the same problem.
Nothing that can be done about it (apart from blasting the character to atoms, or putting a bounty on their head).
More than one corp has had people running off with money or blueprints - good excuse for targetting those characters (if ever seen again).
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Thrak
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:04:00 -
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Wow Xenon. That system sucks man. The only ore I've ever mined was the 10 units in the tutorial. I do haul when possible.
We try to fill DP with players who WANT to contribute.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:25:00 -
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Our corp works like a co-op we help each other out in the various areas you want to work in and you get access to labs and the factories but if you want a battleship you get the money and buy it. When the corp needs money for rentals we just chip in and pay it. Lot's of freedom and when you don't have to help out people give you more props when you do.
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Sensemann
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:56:00 -
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Why should a scammer be banned, he pays 10 bucks a mounth. Never cut the tree you are sitting on......
but with this 3 characters scamming will continue until the end if time(maybe even longer, if the "end of time"TM is only an exploid).....
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:15:00 -
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Scamming is a way of life in online games. Especiually games that allow the sale of items on places like ebay.
If I can scam 10 Million ISK from you and sell it on ebay I just made about $75-$100. If I can run four or five scams like that a month I can make $400-$500.
But who cares if people sell in game items for real world cash right? It does not REALLY hurt anything.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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mk ultra
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:17:00 -
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Read the cover of Eve box . Then stop playing if you dont agree
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<Beeth> Girls are like internet domain names, the ones I like are already taken.
<honx> well, you can stil get one from a strange country :-P
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Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:32:00 -
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But who cares if people sell in game items for real world cash right? It does not REALLY hurt anything.
Actually, it REALLY hurts the EULA, as selling any element of EVE, be it Isk, BP's, Ships, Whole accounts for REAL currency on a site such as Ebay is in clear violation of aforementioned agreement!
Saying that though, if I ever see an Arma BP for ú10 I would snap it up double quick!
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:42:00 -
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beware the hammer of darwin, for it smites without mercy.
Seriously, tho, funnel all the above to "don't work for those bastards" is the best possible advice. Think of it this way: you'll come out all this a less gullible person! Nice RL benefit, eh? "Trust" is something people earn, not some utopia we can all start off in ,-)...
More seriously yet, you might wanna look up Digital Communist. Or even spend some time observing what folks do, asking questions of current corp members, and other stuff before joining a group. Or start your own. Or find a group concentrating on RP (1PG could use some more members!).
You will find that the major pirate organizations are actually more communal than most of the for-profit businesses, since the CEOs envision people working for them and making them rich whereas the pirates have it in their own best interest to have everyone up to speed (which is another major but little-talked-about reason why the pirates seem to be doing better vs. the disorganized alliances and suchlike).
really, what most everyone said above applies. Don't blindly join a group of strangers and expect them to look after your best interests when you don't know a thing about them...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:26:00 -
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Quote:
I recently heard Everlasting Vendetta, who is supposed to be the good guys, well... they seem to be taking around 35% of their members mining. Some tax there, huh? My biggest deal is that all these major corps expect you to dish out everyday and help the big get bigger... how lame
Not too sure how you acheived that figure of "35%" but I'm more interested in your complaint that "these major corps. expect you to dish out everyday and help the big get bigger".
It's called teamwork.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:12:00 -
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Our system was simple. We were all in cruisers and we set it as a rule that you had to insure your ship. Then when you lost your ship you gave us the insurance (the directors) and you got a new ship instead. If you ditnt insure you owed us 4 million before you could get a new ship.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Drahcir
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Posted - 2003.08.07 22:32:00 -
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Scamming is part of the game. But if you catch someone pulling a scam or has pulled a scam on you or someone you know YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEEK RETRIBUTION.
If there was a JUSTICE SYSTEM in Eve I think a lot of the belly aching about being scammed and scamming would drastically be reduced.
If CCP Could enact a JUSTICE SYSTEM like ummmmm maybe you file a report/grievance with a special division of CONCORDE. This special division run either by Polaris or GM's. In your report/grievance you cite all your proof to what happenned. This special division then rnders a decision on your case and you are given or not given permission to declare a personal ware to get retribution. But onlu then can you do so without sec hit etc and only with the bleesing. The decision comes with a special code that you enter and that is how you are able to declare your personal war.
Just an opinion and suggestion as a fix. I'd like to hear what you all think.
Drahcir
CEO - Enron Enery Consortium |
Derkan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Derkan on 07/08/2003 23:00:12
My Corp doesn't do that. I'm surprised everyday I log on. Although just like every corperation theres always one Butthead barking out orders all the time. But we just tell him we're busy. It more fun to yell at mars than to pretend he isn't there. But then again our corperation rocks.
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Nafres Maelstrom
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Posted - 2003.08.08 01:43:00 -
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lol "read the cover" if i did this then id have to sue CCP for breach of contract,false advertising,and misrepresentation.
any game dev that leaves sooo many blunders of feature deployment open for scammers to use,then has the audacity to say " be more careful" should get his little geek ass handed to him with.
i have a wait and see attitude atm,im playin alot less,no carrots enduce me to play more anymore,they either deliver the goods or they dont.im willing to wait a month or so more.
at least until HL2 is released anyway,then if its still fubar and half assed deployed.....ill vote with my wallet
CEO/Manufacturing and Research
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Drux
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:10:00 -
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Quote:
recently heard Everlasting Vendetta, who is supposed to be the good guys, well... they seem to be taking around 35% of their members mining
If it is 35%, (i calc it at arround 10%), but even @ 35% i would still sell to the corp.
1) I get a known pirice
2) I Dont have to haul 1,000,000's of ore arround the place
3) Its safer
4) It helps the corp
5) I do mine 100% for the corp in events
6) The more I mine, the more ISK i get, The More ISK the corp gets and the bigger we get
7) Our Battle Ship members do mine for non BS members
But then im a Corp Man :)
Drux
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Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:17:00 -
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drahcir - To answer your problem or to make CCP listen go here please and but in a good (or bad) word
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=24116
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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Drahcir
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Posted - 2003.08.08 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Drahcir on 08/08/2003 19:59:28
Will Do Cro,
I was hoping to maybe hear a few more folks on what they thought of my Idea. Oh Well. We shall see what we shall see.
BTW I see you accomplished what you set out to do. I remember you from your newb dayz. You were just messin around trying to figure the game out and playing pirate in Rynjyndern or something like that. You attacked me in a belt and said get outta my roid field (lol). Concorde came and chased you, you got away. You got a laff because they continued to hang around where we were in that belt.
I see you have become quite a spokeman for M3g4.
Keep having fun guy thats what the game is about.
Drahcir
CEO - Enron Enery Consortium |
Kaleb
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Posted - 2003.08.08 20:19:00 -
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Xenon members dontate ALL ore mined in group sessions, and most if not all solo mining efforts. This allows our small 20 man corp to produce all cruisers, and now Apocolypse battleships. Surely one could understand the benefits to pooling corp resources.
In return we provide all required skillpacks and equipment without questions (short of 3 million isk cu vapors).
- Kaleb
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2003.08.09 11:12:00 -
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Scams, like in RL, are part of Capitalism. The system works coz most ppl are greedy and money grabbing. I think its great that a game can so accurately immitate RL Capitalism in all its faults.
And after all, the high levels of scams, selfish CEO slave driving and thievery only represent the type of people who are playing.
However, if this style of play is not appealing to you, join a corp whos aim is not profit profit profit. join a resistance faction, a pirate corp, an exploration group- there are many corps (especially among smaller corps) that work like tribes and families, helping each other and playing like a team.
in short, with EVE you decide your own level of enjoyment. if ur aren't enjoying a corp, leave. if you aren't enjoying an aspect of EVE, change proffesion.
Ph0 out
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2003.08.09 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Golan Trevize on 09/08/2003 12:02:09
I agree with the clown 1pg(P.I.E) could use some more members.
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships. |
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