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Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:46:00 -
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So, the business agent wants me to go mine and refine ore for her. She gives me a ship, but nothing to mine with.... Nor does it tell me how to mine from asteroids. This is ridiculous and frustrating... Kind of glad I'm still on the trial period, I'd be pissed if I paid for this crap. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2384
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:02:00 -
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Look at the mission. It's probably has a green banner on the mission description.
That means it's a trade mission and it's up to you to figure out how you get that ore.
If it's a gold/yellow banner then it's a normla mining mission and you should have had a civilian miner from your newb ship at the very least I would thing.
Otherwise go do the industrial agent and come back later. The Drake is a Lie |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:07:00 -
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It wasn't a trading mission, it wanted me to go out and get the ore. Kind of stupid not to make the mining mission from the industrial agent a prerequisite for the business mission. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:15:00 -
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Do you have the "Missions" display in the top left corner, under the star system name? The drop-down menu will give you an option to "warp to" at which point you'll find the place that you're supposed to mine the ore. Of course this could be one of the missions where you're supposed to find the Veldspar yourself, which means heading out to the asteroid belts in system (or the system next door) and competing with everyone else for the available Veldspar.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:22:00 -
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I had to do the industrial career mission before I could mine the ore at all. It just doesn't make sense why it wouldn't tell me that I needed to do the other mission first. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2384
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:46:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:I had to do the industrial career mission before I could mine the ore at all. It just doesn't make sense why it wouldn't tell me that I needed to do the other mission first.
Yeah you probably shouldn't have to, but I'll try running it myself soon.
I haven't ran the missions in FOREVER and they keep changing the tutorial so half the stuff I know about it might be different now. The Drake is a Lie |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:51:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:Kind of glad I'm still on the trial period, I'd be pissed if I paid for this crap. You will never make it far with that attitude.
If it had been me, I would have thought where I last found a mining laser... like on the rookie ship you are first given (repackage your rookie ship for as many civilian mining lasers as you want), or for sale on the market.
EVE will not chew your food for you or wipe your bottom.
Stop blaming others / game mechanics / the universe. That path leads to quitting EVE.
EVE veterans also don't want to help people with that kind of an attitude. Though they recently gave over 2b ISK and at least 60 ships to a person with the right attitude. |
Sylvester Slake
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:52:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:I had to do the industrial career mission before I could mine the ore at all. It just doesn't make sense why it wouldn't tell me that I needed to do the other mission first.
Well you didn't "have" to do anything. You can get skillbooks in the market, and you should even have a civilian miner on your default ship, which would work to get the ore, as you dont need much, really only a couple cycles, even with the civi miner..
But, as you are finding out, it is a very open ended game. and I think the tutorial is tough for a reason.. There is nothing to guide you thru the game. Its left to your imagination, and you have to figure it out.
Generally when you accept a mission, there will be a place to warp to, in order to complete mission.
Other wise if you get stuck on 1 agent, just go to the next one. Sometimes your questions get answered in the next tutorial.
There is no set order to do the agents themselves, so you can stop doing 1 halfway thru the mission series, and go to the next one, which is nice, to let training to finish up, or, if you get stuck like in this case.
But asking questions is part of the process, and I see coming here to the forums to ask questions like this a part of the game.
I think it does a great job bringing the community together as a hole, and, ya might even meet a friend or 2 :)
Don't get upset when these sort of things happen. Because you will find out they happen a lot.
there are so many different aspects of the game that you will be learning for a long time.. Things they don't even mention in the tutorials.
Things, that really the only way you learn about them is just being around a group that is talking about it and you pick up on it yourself. I would defiantly recommend joining a corp sometime in the future as well.
Hope your eve carreer is a sucessfull one :) |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:01:00 -
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The defaul ship doesn't come with anything but a basic weapon.
Tau Cabalander wrote:EVE will not chew your food for you or wipe your bottom.
And need I remind you this is supposed to be an extension to the tutorial? If a new player is confused, the devs did something wrong. I understand the the game isn't meant to be easy, but if a tutorial fails to teach the player how to play, what's the point of it in the first place? Leave your 'learn to play noob' insults in your head, please (especially in the new player's section of the forum). |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2385
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:05:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:The defaul ship doesn't come with anything but a basic weapon. Tau Cabalander wrote:EVE will not chew your food for you or wipe your bottom. And need I remind you this is supposed to be an extension to the tutorial? If a new player is confused, the devs did something wrong. I understand the the game isn't meant to be easy, but if a tutorial fails to teach the player how to play, what's the point of it in the first place? Leave your 'learn to play noob' insults in your head, please (especially in the new player's section of the forum).
Sometimes I wish they'd outsource the creation of all of it to me....
and then a realize how much work that'd be and start to reconsider.... The Drake is a Lie |
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Sylvester Slake
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:09:00 -
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Oh yea.. one thing I forgot to mention clearly enough
There is nothing you are "suppost to do first"
They are just listed alphabetically or by highest standings or something.. Dont take it as which ones to do first.
Just do a carreer agent that you are interested in, and do it until you get stuck, and then switch to another agent.. Chances are you will get the skill books, ships, and info you need to go back to the one you were previously stuck on and accomplish it.
Please don't just give up and start getting mad because you got stuck on the second or 3rd mission on the first career agent you try.
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Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.06 23:36:00 -
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Sylvester Slake wrote:Just do a career agent that you are interested in, and do it until you get stuck, and then switch to another agent.. Chances are you will get the skill books, ships, and info you need to go back to the one you were previously stuck on and accomplish it.
I don't see why this would be the case in the first place, why there is the possibility of getting stuck in a tutorial. Either each of the career agents provide everything one needs to complete the missions or they should have clear prerequisites. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:17:00 -
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Did you turn off the little pop-up help tips? Aura yells at you for like seven straight pages of text full of links and highlights explaining how to get the mission objective in painfully, painfully minute detail that almost amounts to reaching through your screen and shoving your mouse-hand around to save you muscle activity.
And this is the old version of the tutorial I'm talking about, the new versions are supposed to be even more rookie-friendly.
Basically, find the little pale woman icon and make sure she's set to easy-mode you along. You probably clicked the "don't give me tips" box at some point without thinking about it, no biggie. Or if you can't find it, here's a short walk-through:
1. Find your inventory while docked in station (default hotkey Alt+C for some reason), select the item hangar, find your fitting window (Alt + F default, I want to say), drag the civilian miner from the former to the latter to equip the module.
1.b. No module in your inventory? Curse briefly, then pull up the market interface, search for "civilian min", select the cheapest mining laser that's listed as "in station", right click > purchase > confirm, then repeat step 1.
2. Go to your mission description, find the system where the mining site is supposed to be in yellow lettering, right click > set destination if it's not the system you're already in.
3. Go to that system as you were taught in the basic tutorial you did before being referred to the profession trainers.
4. Right click in space, find the entry for the mission bookmark, warp to 0
5. Kill any NPCs
6. Target appropriate asteroid, either in space or by manipulating overview settings to display asteroids and using the HUD. Approach asteroid you targeted (the name of the mineral you're seeking should be in the name). When close, activate mining laser module.
7. Wait a bit.
8. Realize that mining sucks and is boring.
9. When amount of appropriate ore needed for quest is in your ship inventory (alt+c in space for the window to check), return to station where mission was issued.
10. If necessary, move ore from ship inventory to station/item inventory (drag it around in the inventory menu while in station)
11. Click "finish mission"
12. Never mine again because even the training version of mining is terrible and you want to shoot the everloving crap out of something that can shoot back now.
13. Go to an etiquette class that covers internet forums
14. Learn to ask questions in a clear, concise manner that doesn't involve whinging about things that 99.99% of other rookies figured out with zero difficulty on their own.
15. Stop being annoying to the people that are only trying to be helpful.
16. ???
17. Profit. |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:30:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Did you turn off the little pop-up help tips?
No, I didn't.
As I've said before, keep your rudeness to yourself, I doubt it is welcome in the new players' area of the forum.
The tutorials were changed in the last patch, it is expected there would be problems. Pointing them out is the only way to get them fixed. |
Sylvester Slake
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:48:00 -
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man I wish they should add a dislike button to ppl! |
Sylvester Slake
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.06.07 00:55:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:Lost Greybeard wrote:Did you turn off the little pop-up help tips? No, I didn't. As I've said before, keep your rudeness to yourself, I doubt it is welcome in the new players' area of the forum. The tutorials were changed in the last patch, it is expected there would be problems. Pointing them out is the only way to get them fixed.
your turning a little tiny detail into this huge game breaking deal. like wtf? People here have been more then helpful and all you can say is keep the rudeness to yourself?
Well no-one here is being rude except you at this point..
Were all sitting here trying to tell you exacty how to do it, and your trying to say the game is busted, and, at this point your not even trying to help yourself.
Your accusing other people are being rude, when they took the time to write an entire page to try to tell you how to to complete the mission you are on, and you don't even say thanks. You just complain that the game is busted and accuse everyone of being rude..
Please come back when your grown up. |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:05:00 -
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Sylvester Slake wrote:your turning a little tiny detail into this huge game breaking deal. like wtf? People here have been more then helpful and all you can say is keep the rudeness to yourself?
I was merely pointing out a problem with the tutorial missions. The problem I had was solved, but I'd like to get the problem fixed so no one else gets confused.
I don't appreciate others telling me to 'pay attention better' or 'learn to play', which was the rudeness I was referring to, and as you weren't one of the people saying those things my comments were not directed at you. |
Spathe Ne Boirelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:22:00 -
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I seriously don't know whats the fuss about the tutorial agents. I just completed the industry tutorial agents and the first time I talked to her she gave me a miner 1 upon accepting the mission. Then I fitted it to my newb ship and did the mission. I just continued doing missions for her. I even got a velator with a turret and a civilian mining laser with it (yes they do come with it).
It's clear you just missed something. At best the agent tells you in bold letters what you need so you can get it from the market. Tutorial agents are meant to help you... not complete your job by the way.
Remember, a couple of years back... tutorials didn't exist. |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:25:00 -
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Perhaps the problem is I did everything up to the career missions right before the patch. One would think they'd be compatible, or at least restart the tutorial if it changed that much. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.07 01:56:00 -
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I remember that mission. It didn't take a genius to figure how "this mission says I need ore... hey, I have a mining laser on that first ship of mine... and there were asteroid belts listed on that drop down menu when I was undocked..." *click*
However, after spending a grand total of 20 minutes mining and warping back in my full noobship... mining and warping back in my full noobship... I got frustrated. Then got an idea.
I brought up the mission log, read the exact wording of the mission itself, saw that there was no mention or specification on HOW I was supposed to get the ore, and proceeded to buy all the ore I needed from the market (which I was experimenting with at the time).
Sometimes you just have to think outside the box.
@ OP... honestly... you're making a "mountain out of a molehill." The newbie experience barely touches on the mechanics and nuances you will experience in EVE. And CCP (the makers of EVE) have a notorious reputation for introducing and/or keeping confusing/infuriating mechanics they call "features"... some of which are even celebrated by the players. If this one little thing bothers you THAT much then you will be bothered by quite a few other "features" even more so.
Some prime examples include, but will not be limited to: - margin trading - trade window scam - aggression mechanics - criminal mechanics - NPC mechanics - drone mechanics - and so much more! Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:06:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:I brought up the mission log, read the exact wording of the mission itself, saw that there was no mention or specification on HOW I was supposed to get the ore, and proceeded to buy all the ore I needed from the market (which I was experimenting with at the time).
I don't think we're talking about the same mission... I tried buying the ore. The mission was you had to go start mining and bandits attacked, which you had to kill. They didn't spawn til you started mining. The mission objective was to kill the bandits and get the ore, which just buying the ore didn't do. Also going to the site didn't spawn the bandits, they spawned halfway through one tick of mining. |
Spathe Ne Boirelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:07:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:Perhaps the problem is I did everything up to the career missions right before the patch. One would think they'd be compatible, or at least restart the tutorial if it changed that much.
Well you always have the option to petition your mission if your stuck. The only problem I can say about the tutorial is right before you need to manufacture items and if you don't have the industry skill...its not telling you in anyway unless you look at the BPC info page. But that can easily be done as if you try to manufacture it, it will tell you anyways. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2561
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:13:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:I brought up the mission log, read the exact wording of the mission itself, saw that there was no mention or specification on HOW I was supposed to get the ore, and proceeded to buy all the ore I needed from the market (which I was experimenting with at the time). I don't think we're talking about the same mission... I tried buying the ore. The mission was you had to go start mining and bandits attacked, which you had to kill. They didn't spawn til you started mining. The mission objective was to kill the bandits and get the ore, which just buying the ore didn't do. Also going to the site didn't spawn the bandits, they spawned halfway through one tick of mining. Huh... they changed it then. I remember that one being part of the industrial tutorial.
Regardless... you should have still been able to connect the dots.
- Your old rookie ship came with mining laser (which is clearly labelled as such). - The mission is asking you to mine. - Previous missions usually take you someplace. Maybe this one does? Undock and find out. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 02:29:00 -
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Spathe Ne Boirelle wrote:Well you always have the option to petition your mission if your stuck. The only problem I can say about the tutorial is right before you need to manufacture items and if you don't have the industry skill...its not telling you in anyway unless you look at the BPC info page. But that can easily be done as if you try to manufacture it, it will tell you anyways.
Yeah, that was an oddity as well.
ShahFluffers wrote: Huh... they changed it then. I remember that one being part of the industrial tutorial.
Regardless... you should have still been able to connect the dots.
- The first ship you get in the game comes with a mining laser (which is clearly labelled as such).
I got no mining laser with the ship, nor with the mining frigate I was given.
I am past this part now, I'm just trying to figure out what went wrong so I can report the bug. |
Rynn Vendran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:12:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:So, the business agent wants me to go mine and refine ore for her. She gives me a ship, but nothing to mine with.... Nor does it tell me how to mine from asteroids. This is ridiculous and frustrating... Kind of glad I'm still on the trial period, I'd be pissed if I paid for this crap.
I know that pain, and all I can say is that this game demands that you go slow and really take the time to absorb EVERYTHING as you go. I know the temptation to jump in a ship and just start blasting away can be pretty potent, but there are so many nuances to the EVE experience that it's impossible to just zoom through it all. Don't worry though, it does get better, especially once it all starts falling into place. Good luck!
Hey now, hey now now, sing this corrosion to me... |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:42:00 -
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This is a well known failing of that tutorial, CCP have been told about it many, many times and it's been petitioned over and over and over again, but still they do nothing about it.
The mission apparently dates from the time that every new player received a rookie ship equipped with civilian weapon and mining modules and wasn't changed when the pilot's licence training course was altered to provide only an empty rookie ship hull. The advice that you can do the tutorials in any order is totally untrue and misleading.
It's not exactly a bug, just incompetent game development, but by all means add your voice to the protest by filing a report. |
Michael Ventus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 03:49:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:This is a well known failing of that tutorial, CCP have been told about it many, many times and it's been petitioned over and over and over again, but still they do nothing about it.
The mission apparently dates from the time that every new player received a rookie ship equipped with civilian weapon and mining modules and wasn't changed when the pilot's licence training course was altered to provide only an empty rookie ship hull. The advice that you can do the tutorials in any order is totally untrue and misleading.
It's not exactly a bug, just incompetent game development, but by all means add your voice to the protest by filing a report.
That is... unsettling news, but at least it explains things. Thank you for the info. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:59:00 -
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Michael Ventus wrote:[quote=Lost Greybeard]As I've said before, keep your rudeness to yourself, I doubt it is welcome in the new players' area of the forum.
Interesting advice, the OP could definitely benefit from taking it.
*cough* |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2013.06.10 01:10:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Do you have the "Missions" display in the top left corner, under the star system name? The drop-down menu will give you an option to "warp to" at which point you'll find the place that you're supposed to mine the ore. OP obviously knew that bit. What he's saying is that he had nothing to mine with.
Tau Cabalander wrote: If it had been me, I would have thought where I last found a mining laser... like on the rookie ship you are first given (repackage your rookie ship for as many civilian mining lasers as you want), or for sale on the market.
There's no mining laser on a newbie's first ship. It's a bare rookie ship hull - no fittings of any sort.
Sylvester Slake wrote: Well you didn't "have" to do anything. You can get skillbooks in the market, and you should even have a civilian miner on your default ship, which would work to get the ore, as you dont need much, really only a couple cycles, even with the civi miner.. See above.
Lost Greybeard wrote:An ill-mannered tirade that made no attempt to answer the OP's question. Best to actually read what the OP says before replying and abide by the rules of this section.
Sylvester Slake wrote:your turning a little tiny detail into this huge game breaking deal. like wtf? People here have been more then helpful and all you can say is keep the rudeness to yourself? It isn't a "little tiny detail" when a new player is told that he can do the tutorials in any order only to discover that he doesn't have the equipment needed for the third mission in the first tutorial he attempts.
And at this point the only helpful comment was Xercodo's suggestion of running the industry tutorial and then returning.
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2013.06.10 01:11:00 -
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Spathe Ne Boirelle wrote:I seriously don't know whats the fuss about the tutorial agents. I just completed the industry tutorial agents and the first time I talked to her she gave me a miner 1 upon accepting the mission. Then I fitted it to my newb ship and did the mission. I just continued doing missions for her. How is this relevant to the OP's query about the business tutorial?
Spathe Ne Boirelle wrote:I even got a velator with a turret and a civilian mining laser with it (yes they do come with it). Not necessarily - see above.
Spathe Ne Boirelle wrote:It's clear you just missed something. At best the agent tells you in bold letters what you need so you can get it from the market. Tutorial agents are meant to help you... not complete your job by the way. He missed nothing and it's quite clear he read and understood the agent's instructions.
Spathe Ne Boirelle wrote:Remember, a couple of years back... tutorials didn't exist. How is this relevant to the OP's query?
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