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king borg	Posted - 2005.11.08 19:31:00 - [1] please forgive me if ive missed something out here but from what ive been reading we will only be able to controll 5 drones at one time? o.O soo for us who have got drone interfacing to level 4,5 have utterly wasted our time and that skill is now useless? if this is so shouldent we get some sort of SP refund? give us the chance to spend the sp in another skill? sorry if i have got this wrong dont be afraid to flame me if i have borgie out!
Blanke	Posted - 2005.11.08 19:36:00 - [2] Quote: Drones take up a lot of resources so we would much rather see less drones but have them better instead. This will mostly be done by changing the drone interfacing skill, drone control ship bonuses. This is of course not as easy as doubling the damage output and hitpoints of drones, so here's what's being done. Drone Interfacing skill changed 20% bonus to drone damage and 20% bonus to drone mining yield Drone hitpoint increase Moros' 5 drone per dreadnought level changed to 70% bonus to drone thermal damage per level. It also gets a drone hitpoint bonus, either static or per level Drone control bonus of Dominx gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level Drone control bonuses of Vexor, Vexor Navy Issue and Ishtar gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level Drone control bonus of Arbitrator gets changed to 10% EM drone damage per level Drone bays reduced to half of what they are today Drones hitpoints boosted From the Dev Blog ----------------- Warning: The above post and/or sig may contain hyperbole, sarcasm, typographical errors, misspellings, or a blatent disregard for the feelings and/or opinions of others.
king borg	Posted - 2005.11.08 19:38:00 - [3] thankyou lol i thought there wud be something ive missed hehe :) flame away!! =)
theblaze	Posted - 2005.11.08 20:10:00 - [4] Originally by: king borg flame away!! =) You dress like a briggand! And your hair is very unkempt! Zing!
Kylania	Posted - 2005.11.08 20:42:00 - [5] What I'm disappointed by is that Drone Interfacing V is now required and as a Rank 5 skill is extremely long to train. For the vets, sure you don't lose anything since you already have the skill maxed, but for newer players who were quite effective with DI III for instance, we now face a month or more of extra training just to get back to where we are now. Meaning we push back other aspects of the game even longer. Not a Good ThingÖ at all. -- Lil Miner
GC13	Posted - 2005.11.08 21:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Kylania but for newer players who were quite effective with DI III for instance, we now face a month or more of extra training just to get back to where we are now. So... This means you won't be using the full five drones? Because it's either that, or you failed Algebra I.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.08 21:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Kylania What I'm disappointed by is that Drone Interfacing V is now required and as a Rank 5 skill is extremely long to train. Why is it required? Who said so? - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Blanke	Posted - 2005.11.08 21:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Kylania Drone Interfacing V is now required Kylania, maybe you should have read this blog. If you have DI3, that means you get a 60% bonus on your 5 drones, which means 5 drones are doing the damage/mining output of 8 (5 * 1.6 = 8) ----------------- Warning: The above post and/or sig may contain hyperbole, sarcasm, typographical errors, misspellings, or a blatent disregard for the feelings and/or opinions of others.
ChewyMadWookie	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:09:00 - [9] It dont matter to me whether they have posted about it or not, i think it sucks. I have wasted training heavy drones 5, drone interfacing 5, scout drones 5, and i use them as my primary defense.....I think this propsed change sucks WTS industrial scientific charactor who sucks at combat but has whatever drones skills are left.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:13:00 - [10] Originally by: ChewyMadWookie It dont matter to me whether they have posted about it or not, i think it sucks. I have wasted training heavy drones 5, drone interfacing 5, scout drones 5, and i use them as my primary defense.....I think this propsed change sucks Just because you think it sucks doesn't mean it does suck. For example, I could "think" that ice cream tastes horrible, but that doesn't make it actually taste horrible. Ice cream owns. (BTW, the drone changes are quite nice, and will get rid of a lot of lag...) - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Liao Lor	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Liao Lor on 08/11/2005 22:19:45 Yea this is a good idea to stop the lag... OR they could actually DO something about it like get better SERVERS I've seen this with every MMO I've played... instead of actually fixing the problem they find some way around it. Ahem didn't mean to change the subject
HairyGary	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:21:00 - [12] Edited by: HairyGary on 08/11/2005 22:21:58 Quote: It dont matter to me whether they have posted about it or not, i think it sucks. So basically, instead of having an informed opinion, you're opting to fly off the handle for no legitimate reason. Nice. Quote: I have wasted training heavy drones 5, drone interfacing 5, scout drones 5, and i use them as my primary defense.....I think this propsed change sucks A change that's going to have virtually zero actual impact on you, from a game-play point of view, has turned your drone skills into a "waste"? Quote: WTS industrial scientific charactor who sucks at combat but has whatever drones skills are left. Wouldn't want to wait until the changes are live and then assess the actual impact they've had on you first, eh? I'll start the bidding at 20m.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Liao Lor Edited by: Liao Lor on 08/11/2005 22:19:45 Yea this is a good idea to stop the lag... OR they could actually DO something about it like get better SERVERS I've seen this with every MMO I've played... instead of actually fixing the problem they find some way around it. So the couple hundred bladeservers in the mail are invisible? - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:29:00 - [14] They are. But testing and deploying the 64-bit servers will be a process taking 6+ months and a lot of coding. Unless you have some better, specific suggestions. Shown before the damage decrease is 2/3%. For reference, I lost 4% damage when they shifted my Claw bonus from 25% ROF/25% damage to 50% damage, and my entire complaint was was "meh". Needed to be done for the lag. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Aria Stardancer	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:37:00 - [15] the reason people think this sucks, is the "visual" differance. It just seems like your getting slaped with a nerf bat when for 1) all ships with drone bays are getting 1/2 of their drone space taken away. Which for a ship like the thorax whont realy seem like to big a hit, you'll still be able to field 5 drones, just whont be able to keep that many in reserve. But for a ship that yesterday could field 2 drones. Well now it can only field 1 (once this change goes into effect) Now granted, this 1 drone is doing the damage of 2 (once you spend 3 months maxing out all your skills.) just the fact that you can only field 1 drone, instead of 2 makes it seem like youve lost half your ship's defences. Thats what alot of people are seing as a nerf, The fact that they can only field 1/2 of what they use to be able to do, And with the changes to Drone interfaceing, Now those people that were just as effective with 5 drones in space and 5 in reserve, are going to be only 1/2 as effective because their drones are only going to be doing 1/2 the damage of someone that has DI to V. Nomater that drones are getting a damage increase in a HP increase, the actual visual diferance in numbers, and the # you can carry with you being changed this drasticaly is what is going to make so many people hate this change.
Zmeu	Posted - 2005.11.08 22:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Zmeu on 08/11/2005 23:05:36 ok so nerf the moros dreadnought. :( and all the gallente race.. i HOPE to see a powergrid increase on ALL gallente ships.. so at least we can fit the damn blasters that do some decent damage not electrons. ok thorax/dominix/moros/ishkur/ishtar OMG thats a lot of good ships for gallente... oh if we are at this WHY NOT just delete the drone interfaceing skill??????? you know actually what i dont like about this?????? is the fast that 2 old months player whine about getting killed with drones.. by 2 years old players that spend the time in training. so they deserv it... ccp DONT forget who brought you up here? who payed all this time for your damn salarys's ccp DONT turn in blizzard ------------------------------------------ "Luck favours the prepared! "
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:01:00 - [17] * cargo bay to drone bay transfer in space transfer of drones so u can carry drones in youre cargo bay like ammo and simply reload (good for those that dont like docking often) and on trips into hostile territory - also good when NPCs drop drones u can pick up and put from loot can into drone bay. Sounds like a good trade off for having drones altered (nerf is a wrong word) the whole thing is being altered in a way Reduce the basic drone training modifier (perhaps 20-30% reduction up to drone V - so that newbies have a better chance of training quicker - same goes for missiles - im not proposing insta train but it will stop the frustration if they can get it just a little bit quicker at least to heavy combat drones.
Simala	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:04:00 - [18] Kylania, maybe you should have read this blog. If you have DI3, that means you get a 60% bonus on your 5 drones, which means 5 drones are doing the damage/mining output of 8 (5 * 1.6 = 8) ........ lol even so its still bull**, losing 1 drone would lose the effctivenss of 2 now as it stands,so u lose effective damage quicker over a shorter time, another ccp ** nerf
Vince Prince	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:43:00 - [19] im only just over the missile nerf. and dont give me any rubbish about it not being a nerf cos it is. CCP if you go on down this road you run the risk of alienating your older players, who i mite add are responcible in part for spreading the word about eve. I myself have introduced 6 people. I do understand that eve needs to progress but be carefull. there's an old saying that i think rings true hear. IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT!! It's not just me that has this view i have herd countless people talking about the same thing. Lets not forget, it wont be long b4 somone jumps on the band wagon and make's a game like eve, and then it will be crunch time. we are a fickle to be honest push us 2 hard and we will cross over?.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Vince Prince im only just over the missile nerf. and dont give me any rubbish about it not being a nerf cos it is. CCP if you go on down this road you run the risk of alienating your older players, who i mite add are responcible in part for spreading the word about eve. I myself have introduced 6 people. I do understand that eve needs to progress but be carefull. there's an old saying that i think rings true hear. IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT!! It's not just me that has this view i have herd countless people talking about the same thing. Lets not forget, it wont be long b4 somone jumps on the band wagon and make's a game like eve, and then it will be crunch time. we are a fickle to be honest push us 2 hard and we will cross over?. You know that not only are drones doing the same damage as before, but there will be new drones to web people, jam people, etc? They're making drones better. Thats a good thing. They're also reducing the massive lag you get when you send out a billion drones. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Del Narveux	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:48:00 - [21] The drone changes sound good, the only problem is cutting the bays in half. I sure hope this will be done selectively because a lot of non-gallente ships cant mount a full rack of drones as it is and this will only make it worse. I would do a racial breakdown but that would require effort. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
HairyGary	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:51:00 - [22] Edited by: HairyGary on 08/11/2005 23:52:36 Originally by: Vince Prince im only just over the missile nerf. and dont give me any rubbish about it not being a nerf cos it is. CCP if you go on down this road you run the risk of alienating your older players, who i mite add are responcible in part for spreading the word about eve. I myself have introduced 6 people. I do understand that eve needs to progress but be carefull. there's an old saying that i think rings true hear. IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT!! It's not just me that has this view i have herd countless people talking about the same thing. Lets not forget, it wont be long b4 somone jumps on the band wagon and make's a game like eve, and then it will be crunch time. we are a fickle to be honest push us 2 hard and we will cross over?. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is the slogan of the complacent, the arrogant or the scared. It's an excuse for inaction, a call to non-arms. " - Colin Powell Which are you? Nevermind the fact that, from many perspectives, it IS very, very broken in its current form.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:51:00 - [23] ill add on to dark shikaris post there being able to transfer scouts and heavy combat drones from loot cans or youre cargo bay into youre drone bay (ok it nerfs drone bay capacity) but i always thought like ammo being able to carry and transfer drones in space was a better idea. or a high slot that allows u to drag drones from cargo to drone bay in space (would be good for drone ships) it would remove a weapon capacity but allow u to dock less and pick up drones on the run and still use em in space once youre others were destroyed (but not being able to transfer the new super drones across might be an offset) that will mean that they will have to be redocked at station to resupply And speeding up the base training speed up to drone specilasiation also a good idea
DjDangle	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:52:00 - [24] In response to your other post King. Anytime. Anywhere my friend. I had nothign to do with the fact you acted like a 10 year old. You did that all yourself. Tis why you were ejected. If you have anything more to say. Do it on the battlefield. Otherwise keep your childish remarks to yourself. ------------ http://www.itfb.org/banner.jpg "On My Signal, Unleash Hell" -I speak for my corp. Not our Alliance-
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:55:00 - [25] If you think the drone changes are bad, it's only because you haven't read about them. You read like, the first paragraph that said "only 5 drones allowed in space now", then stopped reading and started crying. Well here's a hint: stop crying and start reading. Drones will remain as good as they are now, and will get even better. Your drone skill points are not going to go to waste in any way. It's just that 5 drones don't look as badass as 15 in space. When I first read the changes, for a good 20 seconds I got really depressed about the fact that I spent a little under a month training Drone Interfacing V for the sheer joy of having 15 drones orbit my Ishtar. Then I kept reading and got all happy. I'm only slightly miffed about my Ishkur and its reduced bay, but I'll just train Assault Ships V whenever I get the occasion and be happy again. --- Ortu Konsinni Diplomatic delegate French Force Alliance -- l'alliance des francophones Web site : http://destabiliser.com/ffa/
Sevjer	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:58:00 - [26] Edited by: Sevjer on 08/11/2005 23:59:55 I gotta admit that my initial thought to this Drone thingamabob (I use thingamabob on purpose here) had me going "Aaargh! CCP, NOES! My poor Ishtar...What about my Moros self defence capabilities etc, etc..." Well, having read the posts and let it sink in, I've come to simply accept it with "Let's see how it goes. I'm sure CCP will listen to us if things go completely wrong with this and do some more changes." The missile changes -- according to some of the Raven pilots in the corp -- have actually improved the Raven once the missile skills have been trained up properly. So, let's just wait and see what this thing brings and if the drones really suck dirt we can start spamming the forums about it at that time...that's what I will be doing if the drones do suck... (I elegantly avoided using the word nerf, didn't I)?
Vince Prince	Posted - 2005.11.08 23:58:00 - [27] Originally by: HairyGary Edited by: HairyGary on 08/11/2005 23:52:36 Originally by: Vince Prince im only just over the missile nerf. and dont give me any rubbish about it not being a nerf cos it is. CCP if you go on down this road you run the risk of alienating your older players, who i mite add are responcible in part for spreading the word about eve. I myself have introduced 6 people. I do understand that eve needs to progress but be carefull. there's an old saying that i think rings true hear. IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT!! It's not just me that has this view i have herd countless people talking about the same thing. Lets not forget, it wont be long b4 somone jumps on the band wagon and make's a game like eve, and then it will be crunch time. we are a fickle to be honest push us 2 hard and we will cross over?. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is the slogan of the complacent, the arrogant or the scared. It's an excuse for inaction, a call to non-arms. " - Colin Powell Which are you? Nevermind the fact that, from many perspectives, it IS very, very broken in its current form. Along with Bush, Colin Powell thought the gulf war was a good idea. But because if it the world has never been a more dagerouse place. But in part i do agree with you. It's the skill training that i take an aversion 2.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.09 00:01:00 - [28] well i guess if drones turn out to be weaker hotfixes could be applied - dmg and HP could be boosted - stealth modules added to make them longer to target esp if they get roasted quickly by NPCs (the only issue i have is the warp scrambling NPCs in low sec will this mean that u wont be able to solo the BS - frig 0.0 spawns ? Not to mention the new BC- destoryers - and the all enw NPCs coming in RMR as well. Covert ops NPCs some of those solo hutning alilance guys in 0.0 will have to start taking along some corp and alliance buddies to NPC in 0.0 land - at least they wont be so greedy with their spawns now
Aria Stardancer	Posted - 2005.11.09 00:02:00 - [29] Think im like alot of people. I can agree with the changes to the Drones Themselves, but WHY cut the dronebay on ALL ships in half?... i mean, we can not at all, in any possible way of things Field more than 5 drones at one time (after this change) so.. WHY cut the dronebays in half? Sure Thorax's can carry, what... 15 heavy drones? But if they can only field 5 of them at a time, then Why cut their 'suply' back down to only 5 in space and 3 in reserve instead of leaving it at the 5 in space and 10 in reserve? Just want someone from CCP to explain why they felt they had to lower the number of drones we could hold in reserve After limiting how many we could field at once. Even with the extension of the ew drones, ws drones and whatnot. Takeing 1/2 a ships dronebay away from it means they can only carry even LESS of a selection of drones with them at one time. Limiting everyone to 5 drones in space at 1 time = good doubling the drones power to make up for this. = good Bringing new Drones to fill rolls other than direct damage = good 1/2 ALL ships dronebays for.... no reason? = bad Again, Your makeing us unable to field more than 5 drones at once, What's the reason for halfing all the dronebays?
shadyfox99	Posted - 2005.11.09 00:06:00 - [30] I dont mind only being able to control 5 drones as i do having the drone bay cut in half. I would like to be able to have a fair amount of reserves, but overall im content with the changes.

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