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HTC NecoSino TriFlexure Void-Legion 4	Posted - 2013.06.08 01:22:00 - [1] - Quote After spending the past couple days scanning (a lot, as in nearly 200 systems), I have determined the new "DSP" method for getting signature sizes. It's actually quite simple.. Jump into a new system, and look at the initial scan signatures. Ignore anomalies and sort by distance. The "closer" the signature, the larger the signature. You can still use SwiftAndBitter's DSP guide located here: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/index.html Now, with the signatures sorted by distance... 6.22 AU = Size 10 6.96 AU = Size 7.5 7.33 AU = Size 5 7.89 AU = Size 2.5 7.95 AU = Size 2.2 Compare to the DSP chart, and you now know what signature types are (probably) in the system.
Lusty Wench Nox Incurro 85	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:31:00 - [2] - Quote It's larger because it's closer? Or the sig strength is higher because it's closer....
Lusty Wench Nox Incurro 85	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:34:00 - [3] - Quote I am relieved to know that whatever system I jump in to that the incoming WHs will always be close to me. I guess the size 10 incoming WHs to my system will always spawn around my POS since that's where I log in the most, and radars will always be at the other end of the system. Thank god. What if I move the pos?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 5156	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:07:00 - [4] - Quote Lusty Wench wrote: I am relieved to know that whatever system I jump in to that the incoming WHs will always be close to me. I guess the size 10 incoming WHs to my system will always spawn around my POS since that's where I log in the most, and radars will always be at the other end of the system. Thank god. What if I move the pos? The distance shown in the scanner window on the initial scan has nothing to do with the actual distance. They're clearly banded and different from the actual distance.
Haulie Berry 975	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:09:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah, I've gotta think that's a bug. They pretty intentionally removed signal strength from the system scanner, and the distance column basically does the same thing.
Lusty Wench Nox Incurro 87	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:21:00 - [6] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: The distance shown in the scanner window on the initial scan has nothing to do with the actual distance. They're clearly banded and different from the actual distance. Then that's clearly a bug.
JudgeFranc Italians do it better 1	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:24:00 - [7] - Quote the highest band correspond to the "4 AU distance"
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1235	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:08:00 - [8] - Quote Hello ladies and gentlemen o7 I have made updates to the DSP guide! I could not have done this without HTC NecoSino's help, you all owe him big time.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:19:00 - [9] - Quote Yes, this is a bug I am pretty sure. When I was playing around with this on the test server the distances were actually displaying pretty accurately. Now the distance will be shown as 4au for example when the actual signature is 30au away. So surely a bug.
Lexmana 969	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:47:00 - [10] - Quote Interesting. To bad its probably gonna be patched. But nice work!

Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 5158	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:03:00 - [11] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Interesting. To bad its probably gonna be patched. But nice work! Well that just means now is the perfect time to do some old school DED farming, since the info isn't widely circulated yet and a patch will take time to implement.
Tabane Shinonono Namu Corporation Factory 5	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:29:00 - [12] - Quote St Mio just updated his swift and bitter dsp site :>
John DaiSho Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective 111	Posted - 2013.06.08 12:13:00 - [13] - Quote I guess this is one of those "They did WHAT?" moments the devs have from time to time. Lets see, if this gets accepted, just like jetcan mining did.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1419	Posted - 2013.06.08 12:41:00 - [14] - Quote It was also fairly easy to do the same via combat probes. It isn't quite as accurate since they cannot go as wide as DSP's could. But the spread formation helps counteract that (think of it kind of like an array style radio telescope). I've found probing so easy I just scan everything with combats now anyhow. Pop probes in spread formation. increase to max (64AU). Deactivate first probe (they double up the center probe which throws off values). Scan. Reactivate probe one. Switch to pinpoint.

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 672	Posted - 2013.06.08 17:43:00 - [15] - Quote I can confirm that this looks like a bug. You should be able to figure out some kind of info through the amount of uncertainty (the size of the circle in space and on the solar system map) - but the distance column in the probe scanner should display the estimated distance to the signature (and not the uncertainty value). I am pretty sure, that you can expect changes to this (but with the disclaimer, that I am not a game designer). Thank you to whoever wrote a bugreport about this. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock \| Team Five 0 Bug reporting \| Mass Testing

St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1238	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:29:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: I can confirm that this looks like a bug. You should be able to figure out some kind of info through the amount of uncertainty (the size of the circle in space and on the solar system map) - but the distance column in the probe scanner should display the estimated distance to the signature (and not the uncertainty value). I am pretty sure, that you can expect changes to this (but with the disclaimer, that I am not a game designer). Thank you to whoever wrote a bugreport about this. You could have told us this before I updated, not after :'(
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 518	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:25:00 - [17] - Quote So. He does indicate that the 'uncertainty' should be an indicator -- which is to say, if you calculate the spread, then you've got sig sizes again. So this chart will still be useful -- you'll just have to do a tiny bit of mental math.
Blue Binary Polychoron 38	Posted - 2013.06.08 21:19:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Greyscale did state during testing that the range deviation given in the tooltip could still be used to derive a rough estimate of signature strength.
Mnemosyne Gloob Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc. 103	Posted - 2013.06.09 03:22:00 - [19] - Quote Hilarious! I also wonder if using the percentages in the scanner will be 'frowned' upon after that. The underlying problem is that the bands (sig sizes) are STILL THERE. Just randomize them a bit and this whole issue will go away. The actual scanning is now faster than ever anyway.
Kor'el Izia 63	Posted - 2013.06.09 14:08:00 - [20] - Quote St Mio wrote: Hello ladies and gentlemen o7 I have made updates to the DSP guide! I could not have done this without HTC NecoSino's help, you all owe him big time. Great job, tiny defect: Rename the header columns aswell

Sephira Galamore Inner Beard Society 119	Posted - 2013.06.09 15:16:00 - [21] - Quote St Mio wrote: Hello ladies and gentlemen o7 I have made updates to the DSP guide! I could not have done this without HTC NecoSino's help, you all owe him big time. Can you have the old one still active somewhere? Especially when they remove the distance 'trick', despite the lack of DSPs your site was still useful for figuring out if a WH was your static or another WH etc. by using normal probes.
HTC NecoSino TriFlexure Void-Legion 9	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:20:00 - [22] - Quote OP Updated with size 4 and 2 distances.
HTC NecoSino TriFlexure Void-Legion 9	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:31:00 - [23] - Quote Sephira Galamore wrote: St Mio wrote: Hello ladies and gentlemen o7 I have made updates to the DSP guide! I could not have done this without HTC NecoSino's help, you all owe him big time. Can you have the old one still active somewhere? Especially when they remove the distance 'trick', despite the lack of DSPs your site was still useful for figuring out if a WH was your static or another WH etc. by using normal probes. It's the same info, just with the 1st column changed. If they do add a randomization, it'll still be the same info, just with different ways of reading it.
Sephira Galamore Inner Beard Society 119	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:30:00 - [24] - Quote HTC NecoSino wrote: Sephira Galamore wrote: St Mio wrote: Hello ladies and gentlemen o7 I have made updates to the DSP guide! I could not have done this without HTC NecoSino's help, you all owe him big time. Can you have the old one still active somewhere? Especially when they remove the distance 'trick', despite the lack of DSPs your site was still useful for figuring out if a WH was your static or another WH etc. by using normal probes. It's the same info, just with the 1st column changed. If they do add a randomization, it'll still be the same info, just with different ways of reading it. Exactly. And I would like a version with the column unchanged or an option to show the column and a field to enter the base probe strength.
HTC NecoSino TriFlexure Void-Legion 10	Posted - 2013.06.09 19:15:00 - [25] - Quote Sephira Galamore wrote: Exactly. And I would like a version with the column unchanged or an option to show the column and a field to enter the base probe strength. Base probe strength has no effect using the current method. If CCP updates this "bug" then that will probably change. Once we figure out that method, an option for sig strength will be added again, if necessary.
Sephira Galamore Inner Beard Society 119	Posted - 2013.06.09 20:07:00 - [26] - Quote HTC NecoSino wrote: Sephira Galamore wrote: Exactly. And I would like a version with the column unchanged or an option to show the column and a field to enter the base probe strength. Base probe strength has no effect using the current method. If CCP updates this "bug" then that will probably change. Once we figure out that method, an option for sig strength will be added again, if necessary. It does if you use normal probes! I still used the DSP website after Odyssey and it worked fine for me.
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1242	Posted - 2013.06.09 20:33:00 - [27] - Quote Now now people! I put both in! All is well :3
Sephira Galamore Inner Beard Society 119	Posted - 2013.06.09 20:47:00 - [28] - Quote St Mio wrote: Now now people! I put both in! All is well :3 Awesome, thanks! :hugs:
Adriana Nolen Sama Guild 4	Posted - 2013.06.13 12:37:00 - [29] - Quote This is such a sad sad day.
Kass Ikkala Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.06.13 12:42:00 - [30] - Quote Perhaps it should be considered a feature. Emissions broadcasts should follow the inverse squares law.



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