It won't bleed EvE dry. Two different markets.

The problem is DUST isn't a standalone MMOFPS. It needs it's own space, literally. Not piggybacked on an established IP.

The gaming world is littered with such attempts. They fail because it's half of what they could've been if not tethered to an established IP.

It's like Blizzard tying Diablo III into WoW. It wouldn't work, and it hampers both franchises if it were linked. Two different worlds, two different play styles. Best in their own.

I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my mind imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?

Dust514 is a cool game and it's already a success.
When EVE started, there were lot's of peeps who told pretty much the same story like the OP - " EVE is a failure and going to die some horrible death".

Well EVE has been dieing for 10 years now, but as a long there's still one pilot flying or one merc stomping the grounds, EVE and DUST514 will be around.

The problem is DUST is living off of EVE and these are two completely different genres in two completely different eras of both gaming and the internet.

No, its not. And no, not really.

Dust is awesome and has the potential to be even more awesome. It takes time to develop and implement all cool things ccp is aiming for with the game.

You think DUST is supporting itself? Not sure how to respond to this without violating forum rules.

But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.

I know CCP is given to pie in the sky projections, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I know DUST will never be a success in it's own right, I know that as a fact, as I'm sure many people do. I really wish people who already know this, would stop protecting DUST and help CCP get rid of it.

Just a reminder that this is your money going to a console game you probably don't even play.

Do you even understand how video games get funded, outside of the "HURRR HURRR KICKSTARTAR" system?

What facts?

"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use.

But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.

"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use.

What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.

The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.

I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?

That's.. not really a fact.

If its failing then Eve isn't bringing anything to it?

So which is it?

Ask Coca-Cola that lessen when they tried to market new Coke as Coke.

Name was there, the taste wasn't, and consumers were irate (the Cola war of the 80s).

Give it time. Beta is a beta and it has barely been out of launch for a month.

Hell it isn't even in effect in Null yet, lets see what comes of it then.

One thing that many ppl don't understand is that abandoning Dust now will not help EVE at all.

Because the money is already invested. And even if we don't need this console crap, we should hope that Dust will be successful. Because if it's not, it'll be a huge money loss for CCP, and EVE will be developing even slower. If not closed.

If there's just a few people on the forums speaking out against it, it really doesn't matter. They say only 10% of the population can think for themselves .. but in EVE I think the number is much smaller. When DUST fails and it will.... you can think of what EVE could have been. It's not like I'm the first person in 6 years to ask CCP to rethink their trajectory, possibly the only one who still bothers.

DUST is a drain on EVE development and the only reason you aren't angry at it (as you were with WiS) is because your earth lords didn't tell you to be (Mitannit, RaindowJudenIII, whoever, Redditcat).

You know it's true

So far I have seen no proof of anything. Unless you have access to CCP's accounts you cannot know how much money Dust is making let alone conjecture that it is "bleeding" EvE dry. People have cited anecdotal evidence about previous similar experiments that aren't actually very similar, mainly due to the fact that linking two different genres on two different platforms into one game world has never been done before.

CCP is not spending your money on DUST. They are spending theirs. The money they earnt by renting access to their game to the players of EvE. Now if they neglect EvE and do not evolve the game to your satisfaction then by all means make your voice heard. We've just had a major (free) expansion and not once has someone said "Odyssey is crap, it must be Dust's fault" in this thread though. So how about we give it a chance.

Edit: Proof read next time Cecil

players of EVE

One thing that many ppl don't understand is that abandoning Dust now will not help EVE at all.

Because the money is already invested. And even if we don't need this console crap, we should hope that Dust will be successful. Because if it's not, it'll be a huge money loss for CCP, and EVE will be developing even slower. If not closed.

Ah yes, the enlightened shepherd has come to awaken us sheeple from our ignorance. Clearly if only we were capable of actually thinking, we would be high-fiving each other and telling op how right they are.

If there's just a few people on the forums speaking out against it, it really doesn't matter. They say only 10% of the population can think for themselves .. but in EVE I think the number is much smaller. When DUST fails and it will.... you can think of what EVE could have been. It's not like I'm the first person in 6 years to ask CCP to rethink their trajectory, possibly the only one who still bothers.

Anyway, in the world of people who make projections of this temporal prison we call earth, facts can be derived from present circumstances. DUST is a drain on EVE development

and the only reason you aren't angry at it (as you were with WiS) is because your earth lords didn't tell you to be (Mitannit, RaindowJudenIII, whoever, Redditcat).

You know it's true

ect. other stuff

I've been living under a wormhole POS for the past 2 years. Who the **** are those guys?

And I want to kick you in the teeth.

But we can't all have what we want, can we?

The internet and gaming changes, can you accept this as an objective reality? EVE doing well over 10 years ago has no bearing on DUST, ok? It's being created with EVE dollars.. right? All I'm saying. Did you know the people at CCP in charge of EVE right now aren't the same as the ones who developed EVE? Did you know that?

( and it's failing but that hardly needs to be argued eve-offline was already linked for you, you only need your mind beyond that you have it right?) )

Eve. Launched to less than glowing reviews. Given a chance. Decade later, one of the most popular MMOs in existence.

Dust 514. Launched to less than glowing reviews. Not more than a month after release, people (specifically fans of Eve) want it taken behind a shed and shot in the face.

Console gamers. When they complain about something, they're whiny little babies.

PC gamers. When they complain about something, they're doing the Lord's work.

Conclusion: I don't know, but I can't stop listening to this song.

Anyway, in the world of people who make projections of this temporal prison we call earth, facts can be derived from present circumstances. DUST is a drain on EVE development and the only reason you aren't angry at it (as you were with WiS) is because your earth lords didn't tell you to be (Mitannit, RaindowJudenIII, whoever, Redditcat). You know it's true

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I can understand the passion and drive some fanatical gamers have toward anygame, however I fail to understand that simply because you are a customer you feel entitled and know what's best for the company.

If its failing then Eve isn't bringing anything to it?

So which is it?

There is passion yeah, but some of us live real lives and some of the things we see in EVE actually conflict with things either illusory in our minds or more so as it were.

We are not INVESTING in the company with our monthly subscriptions. It may seem to many that with simply playing the game we are investing our time and money, however there is no "cash out" option. Services and obligations are forthright dispensed.

The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.

Why?

The tethered product doesn't have it's own identity. It's own brand.

It's like Bethesda adding Fallout3 to Skyrim. It wouldn't sell to either market, and probably annoy both.

When CCP makes a PC version, maybe then they can unlink the two, and let DUST develop into it's own brand.

It doesn't need to piggyback onto EvE for EvE players to play it. Fans will play it because they're CCP fans, genre fans or just want to try something different. And from there it grows it's own wings and becomes it's own.

If it existed in 2007 I may have played it then, but Battlefield 2142 got there first, and now I like the brand and play the series (and hoping for BF2143). If DICE added it as a DLC to BF2, I would never have gotten it. Got sick quick of the 1000000000001 modern warfare or WWII games at the time, and wouldn't even give it a second looks. Was there at Wal-Mart one day, and BF2 box and a BF2142 box were side by side. Walked out with BF2142, as that's more interesting.

Who would probably like that money spent on their hobby rather than some inane, derivative console shooter which is going nowhere.

[Your comparisons are Wayyyy off. It's not like WoW trying to tie in Diablo III they're not even in the same world or much less universe

Dust514 is a cool game and it's already a success.
When EVE started, there were lot's of peeps who told pretty much the same story like the OP - " EVE is a failure and going to die some horrible death".

Well EVE has been dieing for 10 years now, but as a long there's still one pilot flying or one merc stomping the grounds, EVE and DUST514 will be around.

It won't bleed EvE dry. Two different markets.

The problem is DUST isn't a standalone MMOFPS. It needs it's own space, literally. Not piggybacked on an established IP.

The gaming world is littered with such attempts. They fail because it's half of what they could've been if not tethered to an established IP.

It's like Blizzard tying Diablo III into WoW. It wouldn't work, and it hampers both franchises if it were linked. Two different worlds, two different play styles. Best in their own.

Just a reminder that this is your money going to a console game you probably don't even play.

That.. still doesn't make it a fact.

Play Diablo III and then WoW, and let me know if Azeroth is in Diablo III...it isn't...let alone the RMT auction house.

And while you're at it, check to see if Azeroth is in StarCraft too!

Separate brands. Separate play styles. Separate games.

It's a concept known as brand dilution. Feel free to look it up and see how it applies to Dust and Eve.

I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?

Your name is my reply to your wish for them to abandon DUST.

/c

I don't want them to abandon it, I want them to port it to PC so I can play it. I would probably be all over that.

I don't want them to abandon it, I want them to port it to PC so I can play it. I would probably be all over that.

i second that with ps2 going to ps4 then dust should also go to computer.

I don't want them to abandon it, I want them to port it to PC so I can play it. I would probably be all over that.

"Incarna/dust/world of darkness/etc is killing eve"

It's all the same argument. Eve as it is won't last forever, CCP needs to diversify and stay focused on these little side projects if they don't want to slowly die along with an aging fanbase.

The one thing everyone glosses over from the Planetside 2 going to PS4 reveal is that PS2 on the console will not interact with PS2 on the computer's servers. They'll be, for all intensive purposes, different games.

If you are not all over Planetside 2 at the moment - most likely you won't be all over Dust after PC release.

(shooters become very boring very fast)

I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?

i did not know that...

I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?

Just a reminder that this is your money going to a console game you probably don't even play.