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Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:49:00 -
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I like to haul on my freighter alt while I'm off doing PvP on this toon, and public contracts are a pain in the butt since I have to be in the same region as the contract.
I'll haul your cargo free of charge with up to $1 billion isk collateral. Unlimited jumps, unlimited trips. I'll never turn down a reward on the courier contract, but it's not required - I will haul for free. The long hauls (many jumps) are my favorite. All high sec of course.
You may think this is a scam because it's free, but if you know anything about courier contracts, you'll know you have no risk as long as the collateral is more than the value of the cargo. No assembled containers or plastic wrap, as that causes a hassle for me. I will then blacklist you and your corp, and will not take anymore contracts from either.
I have a public channel if you'd like to stop on by - "Free Freight". Otherwise, just mail me, private convo me, or just issue me the courier contract. |

Tiven loves Tansien
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:36:00 -
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Why are you doing this man |

Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.08 13:16:00 -
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So that my alt doesn't just sit around while I pay for the subscription. I need the alt to bring me ships and such every now and then, but the rest of the time, he sits around. I can haul things for other people for free to be a nice person and make others lives easier.
Take 30 seconds of my time to do something nice for others that shouldn't cost me more than a few thousand in contract fees...why not? |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:22:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawn wrote:I like to haul on my freighter alt while I'm off doing PvP on this toon, and public contracts are a pain in the butt since I have to be in the same region as the contract.
I'll haul your cargo free of charge with up to $1 billion isk collateral. Unlimited jumps, unlimited trips. I'll never turn down a reward on the courier contract, but it's not required - I will haul for free. The long hauls (many jumps) are my favorite. All high sec of course.
You may think this is a scam because it's free, but if you know anything about courier contracts, you'll know you have no risk as long as the collateral is more than the value of the cargo. No assembled containers or plastic wrap, as that causes a hassle for me. I will then blacklist you and your corp, and will not take anymore contracts from either.
I have a public channel if you'd like to stop on by - "Free Freight". Otherwise, just mail me, private convo me, or just issue me the courier contract.
How is this any different from public contracts? You still have to be in the same region to accept the contract. |

Obunagawe
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:26:00 -
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WTF why are you trying to put other freighter pilots out of a job? They need the isk from rewards to survive and you are doing it for free?
You are a heartless, inconsiderate monster. |

Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:56:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
How is this any different from public contracts? You still have to be in the same region to accept the contract.
If the courier contract is made directly to me, then I don't need to be in the same region to accept it. If it's a public one, then I do. |

Thoraemond
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:39:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawn wrote:I'll haul your cargo free of charge with up to $1 billion isk collateral. Unlimited jumps, unlimited trips. I'll never turn down a reward on the courier contract, but it's not required - I will haul for free. The long hauls (many jumps) are my favorite. All high sec of course.
You may think this is a scam because it's free, but if you know anything about courier contracts, you'll know you have no risk as long as the collateral is more than the value of the cargo. No assembled containers or plastic wrap, as that causes a hassle for me. I will then blacklist you and your corp, and will not take anymore contracts from either. If you don't yet have a database of what you're hauling where and for who, you should make one. If the information's not useful to you directly, it ought to be salable. |

Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:02:00 -
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You're looking for the sell forum. Oh wait, you already found it! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3151318#post3151318
It's funny that you can't even give away your service. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:21:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawn wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
How is this any different from public contracts? You still have to be in the same region to accept the contract.
If the courier contract is made directly to me, then I don't need to be in the same region to accept it. If it's a public one, then I do.
But if it isnt in the same region you still have to fly to it to pick it up. |

Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:45:00 -
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Mara Villoso wrote: It's funny that you can't even give away your service.
I've had a few contracts already, but mostly been dealing with the hassle of public contracts. People are set on Red Frog and have it ingrained in their heads that if it's free, it's a scam. If you know contracts, you know this isn't a scam. I'm keeping busy though. But you always have to keep up on the marketing!
Derath Ellecon wrote:
But if it isnt in the same region you still have to fly to it to pick it up.
Indeed I do, but that's done with my freighter alt - not with this toon who is an outlaw. This toon is off doing PvP in low sec, while my freighter alt galavants around high sec hauling stuff. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.06.08 19:28:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawn wrote:Mara Villoso wrote: It's funny that you can't even give away your service.
I've had a few contracts already, but mostly been dealing with the hassle of public contracts. People are set on Red Frog and have it ingrained in their heads that if it's free, it's a scam. If you know contracts, you know this isn't a scam. I'm keeping busy though. But you always have to keep up on the marketing! Derath Ellecon wrote:
But if it isnt in the same region you still have to fly to it to pick it up.
Indeed I do, but that's done with my freighter alt - not with this toon who is an outlaw. This toon is off doing PvP in low sec, while my freighter alt galavants around high sec hauling stuff.
Same as me. My HS freighter alt autopilots all over. I started just getting contracts from the hauler channel. Now I do private contracts exclusively for a mining company which is extra nice because they are all in my local area. |

Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.08 20:40:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote: Same as me. My HS freighter alt autopilots all over. I started just getting contracts from the hauler channel. Now I do private contracts exclusively for a mining company which is extra nice because they are all in my local area.
To have a regular supplier of runs like that would be fantastic! I envy you. Do they (or any of their associates) need another hauler? Perhaps you are able to meet their demands, but their friends are looking for someone?
Send them my way if they are... |

Vincenzo Arbosa
Badabing Salvage Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:16:00 -
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Contract to this character? You shoot em, we loot em.. that's mother truckinGÇÖ right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyLTDAC7fE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz3RpU45_E
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Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:17:00 -
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Yes - all courier contracts should go to this character. |

Vincenzo Arbosa
Badabing Salvage Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:35:00 -
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Contract made. Will report back after delivery for recommendation/review. You shoot em, we loot em.. that's mother truckinGÇÖ right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyLTDAC7fE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz3RpU45_E
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Boomhaur
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:13:00 -
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Why not apply to red frog? You can do this and make a little on the side and not have to rely on the forums to get courier work, and it should be much more plentiful. If I remember they run a website with the requirements for applying. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |

Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:50:00 -
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I have been blacklisted from Red Frog. I worked for Red Frog, picked up a contract that had about $14.5 billion worth of goods in it and only a $1 billion collateral. I failed the contract and kept the goods, becoming about $13.5 billion richer.
This is why appropriate collateral is essential. With appropriate collateral, both my ship and your goods are properly protected. This is also why I'm willing to do these hauls for free - I don't need the isk. Doing this out of enjoyment rather than need. I won't turn down isk, but it's not required. |

Vincenzo Arbosa
Badabing Salvage Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:54:00 -
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Contract moved under set time, and the pickup/initiation was super quick. This service was provided as advertised. Thank you Alliria, I hope you are as friendly if I run into you pirating sometime. Lol. You shoot em, we loot em.. that's mother truckinGÇÖ right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyLTDAC7fE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz3RpU45_E
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Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:12:00 -
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Thanks Vince!
As an update - more than 500 jumps made and more than 10,000,000 m3 moved since I started this Free Freight service.
Let's shoot for 1,000 jumps and 20,000,000 m3 now! |

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:56:00 -
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Oh come on guys, it's not that complicated. She's already given you all the hints a monkey would need.
She's a collateral error exploiter, a perfectly valid and profitable business. Tons of people scour public contracts for courier contracts where it's possible that the cargo value is higher than the collateral. Think of it as the bargain basement of Eve.
Problem is, there are enough people doing this that it's hard to compete. Solution? Offer haulage for free, and suddenly you have your own private collection of contracts to sift through at your leisure. All it takes is 1-2 collateral mistakes per month, and the toon is making vastly more than through honest hauling.
No plastic wraps, no containers. Let me see what I'm hauling so I can easily decide which contracts to fail.
No creativity, but the fact that no one sees the play is even sadder. |
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Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:05:00 -
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I don't understand why this thread is still up in MD. It's both a duplicate thread and Sell Forum thread. Or are we allowed to advertise businesses here? |

Vincenzo Arbosa
Badabing Salvage Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:55:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:Oh come on guys, it's not that complicated. She's already given you all the hints a monkey would need.
She's a collateral error exploiter, a perfectly valid and profitable business. Tons of people scour public contracts for courier contracts where it's possible that the cargo value is higher than the collateral. Think of it as the bargain basement of Eve.
Problem is, there are enough people doing this that it's hard to compete. Solution? Offer haulage for free, and suddenly you have your own private collection of contracts to sift through at your leisure. All it takes is 1-2 collateral mistakes per month, and the toon is making vastly more than through honest hauling.
No plastic wraps, no containers. Let me see what I'm hauling so I can easily decide which contracts to fail.
No creativity, but the fact that no one sees the play is even sadder.
There isn't a 'play' if you properly collateralize your shipments. I mean.. part of me wanted her to be a scam so that I could get all the ISK for my product upfront instead of waiting for it to sell.
If her exploiting the careless allows us to cautiously receive something for free.. I see no problems with it. I am sure she is seeing some good intel on what is moving where, who is moving what, and picking up loads that are worth more than the collateral.. but that doesn't bother me when I am cutting 10 million from my bottom line and cutting out the hassle of logistics.
You shoot em, we loot em.. that's mother truckinGÇÖ right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyLTDAC7fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz3RpU45_E
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Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.10 19:39:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:
No plastic wraps, no containers. Let me see what I'm hauling so I can easily decide which contracts to fail.
I can see inside plastic wraps and assembled containers. People scanning my ship's cargo cannot, but I can. I have this requirement for two reasons.
1. Since those with cargo scanners cannot see inside plastic wrap and assembled containers, it makes my freighter more likely to be ganked. Even Red Frog actively encourages no assembled containers, and they prohibit their pilots from plastic wrapping the cargo. In fact, if a Red Frog pilot does plastic wrap it, they are not covered by White Frog insurance for that haul.
2. I cannot create a contract to my freighter alt if there are assembled containers or plastic wrap in the courier contract. This means that I have to fly to both the pick up and drop off destinations with this toon so that I can station trade the contract to complete the haul. This is a hassle, and not something I want to do when offering free services. |

Vincenzo Arbosa
Badabing Salvage Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.10 20:45:00 -
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Quote:You give me too much credit Vincenzo. Though there's no way I can prove this, I can assure everyone that I most certainly am not doing this. It's too much work! Lol...I have a hard enough time keeping track of my jumps / m3 / collateral stats. This is just something to do with my freighter alts while I'm off doing other things on this toon.
Well then feel free to export and send me a list of the contracts you move, what they are and who sent them where. I will gladly make use of the information. Lol.
You shoot em, we loot em.. that's mother truckinGÇÖ right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyLTDAC7fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz3RpU45_E
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:45:00 -
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Alliria Seedspawn wrote:So that my alt doesn't just sit around while I pay for the subscription. I need the alt to bring me ships and such every now and then, but the rest of the time, he sits around. I can haul things for other people for free to be a nice person and make others lives easier.
Take 30 seconds of my time to do something nice for others that shouldn't cost me more than a few thousand in contract fees...why not?
Price isn't everything. I'd like my stuff moved for free, or at least cheaper than the rates PushX offers, but some months ago, I contracted with first one solo hauler, then a different solo hauler, to move my stuff for cheaper than Push X. It didn't work. Often my stuff sat unmoved, and my 3-day contracts, even 7-day contracts, expired.
I'm a trader. I need my stuff moved. It's not "hey, I'd like this moved from A to B". No, it's "hey, I need this moved from A to B". I don't need fast, but I do need it moved within the agreed-upon time frame, usually 3 days.
PushX gives me that. Unless there's a Jita congestion problem (like most, I often need stuff moved to or from Jita), they almost always move my stuff within 48 hours, and often within 18-22 hours.
PushX is a corporation. They have a reputation to protect. If they suddenly start failing to accept lots of contracts, so that customers sit there grumbling over stuff not moved, that reputation will become damaged, due to the public voicing of legitmate claims about service unreliability.
You're not a corporation. You're a sole individual. You basically don't have a reputation to protect. If you start failing to deliver service on time, e.g. because you lose interest (possibly because of lack of motivation), and your reputation suffers from it, you can just dive under the surface, and stay down, forever or at least for a couple of years.
That's the real collaretal involved here. Not the ISK, but the reputation. |

Alliria Seedspawn
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:15:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Price isn't everything. I'd like my stuff moved for free, or at least cheaper than the rates PushX offers, but some months ago, I contracted with first one solo hauler, then a different solo hauler, to move my stuff for cheaper than Push X. It didn't work. Often my stuff sat unmoved, and my 3-day contracts, even 7-day contracts, expired.
I'm a trader. I need my stuff moved. It's not "hey, I'd like this moved from A to B". No, it's "hey, I need this moved from A to B". I don't need fast, but I do need it moved within the agreed-upon time frame, usually 3 days.
PushX gives me that. Unless there's a Jita congestion problem (like most, I often need stuff moved to or from Jita), they almost always move my stuff within 48 hours, and often within 18-22 hours.
PushX is a corporation. They have a reputation to protect. If they suddenly start failing to accept lots of contracts, so that customers sit there grumbling over stuff not moved, that reputation will become damaged, due to the public voicing of legitmate claims about service unreliability.
You're not a corporation. You're a sole individual. You basically don't have a reputation to protect. If you start failing to deliver service on time, e.g. because you lose interest (possibly because of lack of motivation), and your reputation suffers from it, you can just dive under the surface, and stay down, forever or at least for a couple of years.
That's the real collaretal involved here. Not the ISK, but the reputation.
That is the best argument / concern I've heard yet. Very valid points, but I do have a reputation to protect if I want to actually get loads to run, albeit an extremely smaller reputation than Red Frog or PushX. They are the UPS and FedEx of Eve, but does that mean the much smaller and lesser known local courier company isn't reliable and competent?
Other solo artists have let you down in the past, and that's unfortunate, but does that mean that all solo artists are as unreliable as the ones you've tried in the past? Probably not, but I do understand being burned and not wanting to take that risk again. Be that as it may, have you tried using me, and have I let you down yet? I hope you'll give me a shot with some of your less time sensitive runs so that I can build up the rapport and trust that your contracts will be completed on time.
Would it make people feel better about utilizing my services if I created a corporation for this, instead of the way I'm doing it now? |
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