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MeBiatch
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:36:00 -
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Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.
So dont come complaining to me saying DIAF EvE will Never be FTP. It is... it has been for a while now.
I personally pay a sub every month and have no intention of stopping this.
but interesting enough i stopped paying for my alts a while ago.
I also have friends who will save up isk every month so that they can buy a plex esentially playing to have for Free or in other terms Free to Play as long as you play it enough to make it free to play.
But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash and let thier game time expire.
This is no fun and it leads to people leaving the game.
What i would like to see is if you do not have an active sub or a plex running you can still log into the game loose ships do market stuff but you cannot TRAIN skill points.
So this way if you need a little exra time ratting to save up for that plex you can but you loose the ability to train skills untill you buy that plex...
what do you gusy think? should we extend the Free to Play Mechanic for EVE? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play. GǪexcept that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play. Quote:What i would like to see is if you do not have an active sub or a plex running you can still log into the game loose ships do market stuff but you cannot TRAIN skill points. That would make it a Free-to-play game, which is a pretty drastic departure from the current subscription-based business model. So how do you propose that they'd make money? Also, you are aware that there was this whole ghost training (training without paying for it) thing a few years back, and that they removed it for a reason, right?
true yes someone already has to buy that plex and sell it on the market and this will not change.
As it stands alsong as i have a plex i can play the game and earn enough isk to buy another.
why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game?
People would still be buying plex to either cut the ratting needed for pvp or to activly train sp.
Yeah i know ghost training was removed... but thats a different thing altogether.
one is not playing the game and getting SP. the other is playing the game but not getting Sp. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:10:00 -
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Velarra wrote:So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts?
you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts.
you only pay for one active training accout but are given up to three...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Veterans play for free, CCP loses money. GǪor, more accurately, Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money. ed: Or do you mean that this would be the effect of the OP's suggestion? If so, then yes, that's why it's a bad idea. MeBiatch wrote:why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game? You mean the way it already works? The question remains: if you start handing out the service people pay for for free, how do you propose that CCP will make money?
the premis of people wanting to purchase plex to train sp. or lazy people like me who dont want to rat for thier pvp isk. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:38:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Doc Fury wrote:EVE is a subscription game.
This. It is as simple as that. Also, EVE is not a very good platform for F2P so your idea is dumb.
No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...
People say if you enhanced this feature then ccp looses money... But if people stop playing ccp looses money anyways. So this would reduce the amount of people leaving the game which could increase the amount of plex sold on market... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:58:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Play to Pay isn't the same as Free to Play.
debateable... its 'semi' free to play.
hell how to sweeten the pot... you make it so if you want to upgrade your clone you have to have an active sub.
the point is to allow players to continue to ammass wealth to buy the next plex so they can continue to play.
having SP gain and the ability to upgrade clones would do this.
arguments against are peopel who say well we get free alts and such... well we got free alts anyways... so its not that big of a difference. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:59:00 -
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Cat Casidy wrote:I think the op maybe expects that only people in a crunch would us the "keep playing for free feature" for just long enough to make enough for a plex and everyone else would just be nice enough to pay on time when they're supposed to. Eve Online Honor System Edition.
somewhat yes. there is an assumption that peole like me are addicted to sp gain and will want that back asap.
Edit: I updated the op to include the loss of ability to upgrade or replace a clone if account is not subbed/plexed. to encourage people to continue to purchase plex. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:22:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:MeBiatch wrote:No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago... You know most games have players that let someone else paying their bills. It is just that in EVE you don't have to ask your parent to do it you can ask another player instead. But that doesn't make it free to play. Someone still pays your subscription. F2P is a completely different business model and need games that are built for that purpose. Typically, F2P games need 10-100 times more players for the same revenue as subscription games. How would you think TQ would cope with 4 million players ...?? Also, the gameplay in EVE is built on long term goals and social relationships. It is not like WOT for example where all that is expected of you is to log in whenever and push battle to "enjoy" the game with random kids that generally suck and only focus on their own thing .... EVE needs a bit more dedication from its players.
eve with 4 million subs would be epic. but thankfully that wont be for like 15 years so teh tech will be supported to handle that... imagine jita with 20k in system.
with Plex its an interesting situation.
Yes someone has to actually purchase that plex with rl money to inject it into the game. but no you dont actually have to pay any real life money once that plex is in game.
so yes. eve is sub based. but it also allows the ability for it to be ftp. but not like the ftp models that exist and noor would i want it that way.
i see people leaving the game bacause they dotn either A. have RL to support the game. or B. dont have enough time to get the isk to purchase a plex.
by removing Sp gain and clone replacement but still allowing people to make isk and then purcahse a plex would make it so less people would leave the game and ipso facto increase the amount of plex purcahsed. as demand would go up. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:33:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:What I'd like to see is a 250mil ISK smaller sized PLEX. $19 version can be too much, but a $9.99 would be nice.
What PLEX was intended for originally has changed to a means to pay for many items, but the amount for it hasn't scaled for the price and it's new purpose.
i would also support mini plex. you cant get game time with it but you can tsf it for isk. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:35:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:free ratting/mining/mission bots
sounds great
vrs the ones you already have on an alt account?
big diffence is if you get podded you have to plex up to upgrade the clone. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:39:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for.
the fact i made this thread is i want to see the ftp mechanics improved but never remove the inherit sub mechanic from the game. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:40:00 -
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Freakdevil wrote:Bad idea that can be easily abused. No thanks.
elaberate. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:48:00 -
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i would even add an overview/local tag that indicates if the players is currently protected under PLEX(sub)
something like a green money sign next to thier picture...
it would be a mini profession to suicide gank those people to force them to buy a plex... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Again, if you want CCP to start giving away services for free, you have to propose some mechanism that lets them make that money back (and then some).
more people playing the game means more plex bought = more money for CCP. you assume that this could decase profit for ccp.
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:you assume that this could decase profit for ccp. GǪbecause there's nothing to suggest that it won't since all you're proposing is that they give away paid-for services for free.
as an insentive to get enough isk or rl money to re-sub to the game yes.
less people leaving the game mean more fl money for ccp. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:16:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Doc Fury wrote:EVE is a subscription game.
Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$. If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship. That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it.
indeed. and that is why eve is somewhat ftp. its ftp in teh sence you dont have to pay a dime to play . its not ftp because someone had to pay 20 bucks for that plex. its a great mechanic and i would like to enhance it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?
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no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:25:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?
\ no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason. Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases.
no differnce then using an alt char on an account.
though for trading/manufacturing alts... yeah i do see your point.
there could be a simular resriction or penilty for every transaction like increase isk sink. or increased time for making stuff.. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:27:00 -
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Cat Casidy wrote:I'm just going to quote myself this time, "You're dumb".
i can speak fine. thank you for your concern There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:28:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?
\ no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason. So your idea to encourage people to play is to punish them for playing?
yes to give them enough time to get isk so they can re-sub There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:If it were, those people would already be playing.
not true at all. i know lots of people who would love to continue to play the game but either. dont have the spare cash to play or b dont have enough time to dedicate to the game to save up for plex. and such both have left the game
by providing a way to continue to play but with restrictions... this would encourage people to stay with the game and re sub when a. they got spare cash or b. enough isk saved up for a plex...
plus if i am running on ftp time and just got podded i will want to resub asap as to not loose any sp if i die again as i will be stuck in an alpha clone till i can. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 19:07:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:MeBiatch wrote: My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...
If they are just remotely like you, we are probably better off if they don't return.
nah they are much cooler... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 20:10:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away.
who said plex keeps people away? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 20:43:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away.
who said plex keeps people away? The OP.
Umm nope... Try to read again... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
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