I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.

Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.

Discuss.

The OP doesn't quite get it, nor do many other posters on these forums. Here's a breakdown with some imaginary numbers:
20% of EVE population: Vocal FiSers
10% of EVE population: Vocal WiSers
70% of EVE population: Quiet We-Don't-Care-What-CCP-Do-Because-We-Like-Or-Accept-It-All-ers

I'm part of that 3rd group, as I'm sure many other players are. Most wouldn't post because they're not as...opinionated....as the other groups.

EVE is not split into two distinct groups.

The OP doesn't quite get it, nor do many other posters on these forums. Here's a breakdown with some imaginary numbers:
20% of EVE population: Vocal FiSers
10% of EVE population: Vocal WiSers
70% of EVE population: Quiet We-Don't-Care-What-CCP-Do-Because-We-Like-Or-Accept-It-All-ers

I'm part of that 3rd group, as I'm sure many other players are. Most wouldn't post because they're not as...opinionated....as the other groups.

EVE is not split into two distinct groups.

I'm part of that 3rd group, as I'm sure many other players are. Most wouldn't post because they're not as...opinionated....as the other groups.

EVE is not split into two distinct groups.

IMHO, CCP should make a sub-forum for Incarna, and move all threads brimming with tears over it's demise into said sub-forum, so we can continue discussing SPACESHIPS in a constructive manner on this forum.

Except out of that 70%, huge numbers unsubbed over the past year because they weren't happy with the direction EVE is going, without ever saying a word on these forums. Clearly they weren't wiling to just "accept whatever ccp does" and live with it, they just *left*.

I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.

Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.

Discuss.

I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.

Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.

Discuss.

Why did it take pilots 5 years to protest? Walking in stations has been on the table since 2006.

To be honest at first I was delighted with the announcement that CCP decided to refocus on FiS and put WiS on the backburner. However the more I reflect on it the more concerns I have and if IGÇÖm honest IGÇÖm wondering if we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. just a thought.

I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart?

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

m8, WiS is not the answer to get new people to play and stick with the game.

High-sec, low-sec and null are all CONNECTED and part of the same EVE universe. There isn't THAT much of a separation. The difference is the risk/reward ratio. It's fine if there's people that don't want to play EVE and have to deal with higher risk situations, and want to stay in highsec, but there is little desire from many players to risk their ships in lowsec or 0.0, because the incentives are just NOT THERE.

Further, gameplay and balance issues currently make it VERY difficult for younger players to find roles in PvP, especially meaningful roles in 0.0 PvP. It just takes years to get the skill points and flying skills necessary, as well as the ships and wealth necessary, to be successful. The current PvP landscape is challenging for older players to be competitive in if they don't have a supercap, let alone someone just getting started who has little isk, and who can't possibly fly two different fully T2 fit battleships.

IMHO, a huge part of the problem is the missing component of small gang PvP. No, it doesn't really prepare you for the big fleet actions in 0.0, but it gives younger players an outlet where they can learn how to think on their feet (in a spaceship), and frequently the corps who are successful in small gang warfare were more open to younger members, and were led by veterans who could pass on their knowledge. This component of PvP is now almost completely missing in EVE, because it's not particularly viable anymore. You can still get small gang fights in wormholes, or in lowsec, or faction war, but the problems still remain that many of the ships that made small gang warfare viable have been or are slated to be nerfed to the point where small gang PvPs risk generally outweighs the reward on the risk/reward thing, since it's so easy to get caught by a blob now, especially in 0.0.

I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.

Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.

Discuss.

The OP doesn't quite get it, nor do many other posters on these forums. Here's a breakdown with some imaginary numbers:
20% of EVE population: Vocal FiSers
10% of EVE population: Vocal WiSers
70% of EVE population: Quiet We-Don't-Care-What-CCP-Do-Because-We-Like-Or-Accept-It-All-ers

I'm part of that 3rd group, as I'm sure many other players are. Most wouldn't post because they're not as...opinionated....as the other groups.

EVE is not split into two distinct groups.

I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.

Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.

Discuss.

I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.

Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.

Discuss.

Decisions are made by those who show up. If the third group will continue to play no matter what.

How much to I want WiS? I cancelled my accounts when I heard they put it on the back burner in favor of ship spinning, and working on null-sec. I spoke with my clutch.

Because they are civilised people who respect others opinions and choices?

The people who left were also a lot of vocal WiS'ers who were unhappy with the NeX store, the implementation and bastardization of the original concept. Think Mothermoon...

It wasn't all FiS people who quit, though I know it makes them feel even more hip to think that, just like it was 'cool' to bash Incarna then it turned into bashing WiS as a concept which many of them didn't even understand. Most of them didn't know what establishments were.

I notice that certain blinkered people still think that the recent changes are the result of a vocal minority whining on the forums rather then a majority voting with their wallet, as requested.

I ask you the following question:

If the majority of players want Incarna, why are they not protesting this new change of heart? All I hear from them is silence.

Those of you who supported Incarna. You are the minority, by a clear margin. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of you, the ones who chose to make no choice. You didn't vote when the vote was on. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have no idea if you are a majority or a minority within the overall playerbase, but since you never say anything, I'll never know, and I'll never care, because you'll never matter.

Of the people that did vote, the majority was us, and I thank my fellow pilots, one and all.

Discuss.

Decisions are made by certain people at CCP who's job it is to make them.

You forum nerds keep thinking you have some say in what CCP does or doesn't do. Does common sense go out the window when you sign up for internet forums?

You think because all fifty of you (and the 150 posting alts) once in a while happen to say something and CCP implements it that it's because of you? Think about the thousands of whines that have changed nothing.

Get over yourselves.

Decisions are made by certain people at CCP who's job it is to make them.

You forum nerds keep thinking you have some say in what CCP does or doesn't do. Does common sense go out the window when you sign up for internet forums?

You think because all fifty of you (and the 150 posting alts) once in a while happen to say something and CCP implements it that it's because of you? Think about the thousands of whines that have changed nothing.

Get over yourselves.

Mr Epeen

The OP doesn't quite get it, nor do many other posters on these forums. Here's a breakdown with some imaginary numbers:
20% of EVE population: Vocal FiSers
10% of EVE population: Vocal WiSers
70% of EVE population: Quiet We-Don't-Care-What-CCP-Do-Because-We-Like-Or-Accept-It-All-ers

I'm part of that 3rd group, as I'm sure many other players are. Most wouldn't post because they're not as...opinionated....as the other groups.

EVE is not split into two distinct groups.

So you expect CCP to base their company around some random third party voting thing with 20 voters? lol.

...so we can continue discussing SPACESHIPS in a constructive manner on this forum.