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Neme Sist	Posted - 2005.11.12 19:08:00 - [61] I posted b4 that i didnt know what ASCN had to gain from naping G n Iron in a previous thread. Now we all do. A lot of entities have fought each other n gained each others respect in eve history, but never did a nap occur because of that solely, so it was weird for both G n ASCN to claim that that was the case. Now the shady background come to the surface in an unexpected way, since ASCN leadership made its intentions known in a rush, catching part of G leadership by supprise. ASCN may or may have not won a region or 2, but what is more important that they have won a ****load of new enemies. I m sure all future neighboring alliances will count on them and consider them reliable allies. None the less if ASCN believes that they dont need allies to hold their position (since they are major leage alliance)it was a good plan and executed in perfection. I think it would make even Aneu jealous . FIX on the other hand as always has been a vanguard of honor in this historical turn of events, now I c y BoB chose to nap them instead of pressing on during the FA-Fix vs BoB war. Stain old spirit lives on in some corps currently in V-SA-SE but the carebears have won countless victories against it. Points to SA-SE "war" if u define corp jumping in fear that Mass-5-"enter ur favorite bougie man corp" as war, and point to the corps that will propably jump from Stain to ASCN in the sort term future. The same honorable corps that had naped Xenobytes while in SA btw ;)
Dark Matter	Posted - 2005.11.12 19:16:00 - [62] Hmmm as I seee it FIX now occupies a chunk of Catch that belonged to SE, they didn't offer to administer it until a lasting settlement could be found which is what ASCN is doing. So please explain which seems more honourable?
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.11.12 19:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse With our primary goal, the erosion of MASS influence in the south accomplished the G/IRON command has dealt with ASCN and Fix to take over our strategic assets and holdings in the region as we relocate our fleets. This will allow for a peaceful transition of territorial control to local forces as soon as we are soundly convinced of lasting change within the ex-SA framework. G/IRON will take any steps required to see these changes through and will prolong our presence as needed should we deem it necessary. ehem whoever told you that FIX was going to help administer anything in Esoteria or Paragon Soul was lying ... you might want to check your sources again, i¦m sure you already have..... FIX has not been in any dealings with G and IRON, they are still a big fat -10 to us. concerning honour..... it is not for us to judge who has acted with or without it.. I can only speak of FIX¦s ownership of Catch, we had been coveting that region for a long time, one way or another it was going to belong to us. Should we covet any other region of space, rest assured it will be made public.... and not by a third party.
Rhodry Amarrian	Posted - 2005.11.12 22:28:00 - [64] I dont want to feed the trolls here but i remember similar betrayal/accusation posts following ASCN taking Omist after the SE/SA war - is ASCN still in Omist? No. In a week or twos time will ASCN be in Stain space? I very, very much doubt it. Why not try claiming betrayal etc after its actually taken place. mkay? K.
Netto	Posted - 2005.11.12 23:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Rhodry Amarrian I dont want to feed the trolls here but i remember similar betrayal/accusation posts following ASCN taking Omist after the SE/SA war - is ASCN still in Omist? No. In a week or twos time will ASCN be in Stain space? I very, very much doubt it. Why not try claiming betrayal etc after its actually taken place. mkay? K. Now why would you go and want to do something logical like that? Shouldn't we let our personal bias and small mindedness influence us to assume the absolute worst possible scenario for whatever side we happen to be involved with? If we were logical, we wouldnÆt get to post on the boards, acting like rabid monkeys, throwing poo at everything. And that, my friend, would just be unfortunate. Netto
Choralone	Posted - 2005.11.13 01:26:00 - [66] Originally by: Netto If we were logical, we wouldnÆt get to post on the boards, acting like rabid monkeys, throwing poo at everything. Throwing poo 4tw!
Kozak	Posted - 2005.11.13 02:49:00 - [67] Damn, I'm confused! Did we win?
Sovereign1100	Posted - 2005.11.13 03:04:00 - [68] Edited by: Sovereign1100 on 13/11/2005 03:04:37 Originally by: Kozak Damn, I'm confused! Did we win? The mass-holes have no influence over SA, are being thrown out like the egotistical backstabbers they are, and the future looks good for the south. Yes, I think we did in fact win. Oh, and SA guys: If I were you, I'd take all the **** you stole from us (stain logistics) from mass before they all run off with it all on their way back to empire. BAHAHAHA. Sov - This has been an attack on the leadership of SA - you should not take it personally...unless you really like to get upset over such things =) Sov
Baun	Posted - 2005.11.13 03:34:00 - [69] Finish the job and strike while the iron (honestly unintentional pun) is hot Take Paragon Soul, give it to ASCN. Then wait 1 month and come back and clobber ASCN. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.11.13 04:35:00 - [70] DISCLAIMER: following is just view of myself not corp blah blah Lol EVERYTIME ascn does anything muppets have to jump on the bandwagon and flame. You sent flames when we took omist and guess? we gave it back. Now more flames are coming, I guess people are never tired of looking stupid. Since ASCN was formed it never changed in size, while the map around us went thru major changes, so I really wonder why people keep thinking we are trying to conquer new territories. Oh and congratz to the guy who missed the memo from his leaders - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Kozak	Posted - 2005.11.13 05:07:00 - [71] HAHA, Mass Logistics left SA a couple days ago. I guess all the stuff leaving SE corps stole to join SA left with MASS. What goes around... God, I hate to say it, but: I TOLD YOU SO!!!
ActiveX	Posted - 2005.11.13 06:19:00 - [72] This could get interesting :) I wub joo all! ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
dfafhgr	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:01:00 - [73] the way i see it and this is my humble opinion stain saw its doom the moment they decided kicking smash alliance out of paragon soul would be better than having tham as allies... cuz all in all at the time smash alliance took from stain many of its miners positions and forced tham 2 make war rather than make money for the coming times in the end when the real south vs north war started stain was left rather broke with aprox 1.5k players less than it started with... big alliances have to learn how to compramise when controlling a larger area they must learn to leave space for the other newer alliances out there because in the end smash alliance may have not brought the end upon stains head but they defintly kicked in more of thier fair to the proccess who started it and ended the time of stain alliance at the time united under the name stain empire when if stain alliance would at the time give smash paragon soul they would have another ally against G and iron and surely against ASCN as they seem to be rather hostiles than allies in conclusions i really gotta say 2 bad boofer and the other SA/SE leaders couldnt find in thamselves 2 break thier massive blobage egos in order 2 see a tad further into the future and maybe save thier alliance thats been in game for so long
Kazim	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:30:00 - [74] Originally by: Kozak HAHA, Mass Logistics left SA a couple days ago. I guess all the stuff leaving SE corps stole to join SA left with MASS. What goes around... God, I hate to say it, but: I TOLD YOU SO!!! What is it with all this hate? Here's a free clue for you, It's just a game!!
Kozak	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:33:00 - [75] Originally by: Kazim Originally by: Kozak HAHA, Mass Logistics left SA a couple days ago. I guess all the stuff leaving SE corps stole to join SA left with MASS. What goes around... God, I hate to say it, but: I TOLD YOU SO!!! What is it with all this hate? Here's a free clue for you, It's just a game!! I'm Roleplaying. Just like the roleplaying hate we got from you :).
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.11.13 07:54:00 - [76] Originally by: dfafhgr the way i see it and this is my humble opinion stain saw its doom the moment they decided kicking smash alliance out of paragon soul would be better than having tham as allies... cuz all in all at the time smash alliance took from stain many of its miners positions and forced tham 2 make war rather than make money for the coming times in the end when the real south vs north war started stain was left rather broke with aprox 1.5k players less than it started with... big alliances have to learn how to compramise when controlling a larger area they must learn to leave space for the other newer alliances out there because in the end smash alliance may have not brought the end upon stains head but they defintly kicked in more of thier fair to the proccess who started it and ended the time of stain alliance at the time united under the name stain empire when if stain alliance would at the time give smash paragon soul they would have another ally against G and iron and surely against ASCN as they seem to be rather hostiles than allies in conclusions i really gotta say 2 bad boofer and the other SA/SE leaders couldnt find in thamselves 2 break thier massive blobage egos in order 2 see a tad further into the future and maybe save thier alliance thats been in game for so long I'm sorry, your facts are incorrect. Since you are probably not part of Smash leadership and definitely not part of Stain's then it is understandable just how wrong you are. Keep trying though, it's at least good for entertainment value.
BOldMan	Posted - 2005.11.13 10:09:00 - [77] Catch belong to south. No one can fix catch.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.11.13 11:05:00 - [78] Originally by: BOldMan Catch belong to south. No one can fix catch. Upper Catch, yes. Lower Catch, not so much. ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.11.13 13:04:00 - [79] Originally by: dfafhgr when if stain alliance would at the time give smash paragon soul they would have another ally against G and iron and surely against ASCN as they seem to be rather hostiles than allies Let alone the fact we never shot SA, how is managing to remove all the hostile POS'es from their space an hostile act? This forums are ebil... ppl will just take anything thats told them - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Saltheart Foamfollower	Posted - 2005.11.13 15:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Sovereign1100 Edited by: Sovereign1100 on 13/11/2005 03:04:37 Originally by: Kozak Damn, I'm confused! Did we win? The mass-holes have no influence over SA, are being thrown out like the egotistical backstabbers they are, and the future looks good for the south. Yes, I think we did in fact win. Oh, and SA guys: If I were you, I'd take all the **** you stole from us (stain logistics) from mass before they all run off with it all on their way back to empire. BAHAHAHA. Sov - This has been an attack on the leadership of SA - you should not take it personally...unless you really like to get upset over such things =) Sov Here's one thing I dont understand. Why the hate? Why the smack. We're MASS, we're here to kick ass and have fun. Tho the adrenaline is pumping when you throw your battleship into the battle, I feel only respect for my enemies. And for my former friends and corp mates. Personally, and this is strictly my own opinion and not that of MASS, I do not understand the hostile attitude between for instance Species and Mass. We used to be brothers, we used to have fun and fly along side each other into battle. And now this? Smack? I still feel a great deal of respect for you guys (Species). Which in no way stops me from unloading my Cruise Launchers at you. But hey...we both enjoy a good fight, right. Respect to you all. We're MASS. We're still here, and we'll still launch into battle like there's no tomorrow. Respectfully Saltheart Foamfollower "I wanna die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. And not screaming in terror, like his passengers" - Unknown
altsr us	Posted - 2005.11.13 15:50:00 - [81] Originally by: Saltheart Foamfollower Originally by: Sovereign1100 Edited by: Sovereign1100 on 13/11/2005 03:04:37 Originally by: Kozak Damn, I'm confused! Did we win? The mass-holes have no influence over SA, are being thrown out like the egotistical backstabbers they are, and the future looks good for the south. Yes, I think we did in fact win. Oh, and SA guys: If I were you, I'd take all the **** you stole from us (stain logistics) from mass before they all run off with it all on their way back to empire. BAHAHAHA. Sov - This has been an attack on the leadership of SA - you should not take it personally...unless you really like to get upset over such things =) Sov Here's one thing I dont understand. Why the hate? Why the smack. We're MASS, we're here to kick ass and have fun. Tho the adrenaline is pumping when you throw your battleship into the battle, I feel only respect for my enemies. And for my former friends and corp mates. Personally, and this is strictly my own opinion and not that of MASS, I do not understand the hostile attitude between for instance Species and Mass. We used to be brothers, we used to have fun and fly along side each other into battle. And now this? Smack? I still feel a great deal of respect for you guys (Species). Which in no way stops me from unloading my Cruise Launchers at you. But hey...we both enjoy a good fight, right. Respect to you all. We're MASS. We're still here, and we'll still launch into battle like there's no tomorrow. Respectfully Saltheart Foamfollower the hate comes because of one person Trigger and the way he conducted the whole sa/se thing if he had bothered to take his time all of se would have joined and stain would have been strong but all he has done now is destroy the strength that stain had and make it weak and dont bother saying Sa is strong cos it blatenly isnt proven by the fact you have lost 1300+ members in the last few days.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:11:00 - [82] Originally by: Saltheart Foamfollower Here's one thing I dont understand. Why the hate? Why the smack. We're MASS, we're here to kick ass and have fun. Tho the adrenaline is pumping when you throw your battleship into the battle, I feel only respect for my enemies. And for my former friends and corp mates. Personally, and this is strictly my own opinion and not that of MASS, I do not understand the hostile attitude between for instance Species and Mass. We used to be brothers, we used to have fun and fly along side each other into battle. And now this? Smack? I still feel a great deal of respect for you guys (Species). Which in no way stops me from unloading my Cruise Launchers at you. But hey...we both enjoy a good fight, right. Respect to you all. We're MASS. We're still here, and we'll still launch into battle like there's no tomorrow. Respectfully Saltheart Foamfollower The hate is because your corp, and specifically your illustrious leader Trigger, stole their (Species 5618) alliance out from under them. ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Kozak	Posted - 2005.11.13 16:17:00 - [83] It was the arrogance Trigger and theBold showed us and the disrespect we received at the beginning of this war. Now look at SA. It's falling apart. Everytime we tried to negotiate we got "this is good for Stain". We got the drift that Trigger wanted nothing to do with us. I talked to an old Corp mate who said that Trigger wanted Species out of Stain. This is why there is hate. You reap what you sow. Give respect to us, not just from a lone MASS corp member but you corporation, and we will give it back. By staying in the corp where the leadership is as is, we have to think you support them in all their decisions and this is why I will never show any kind of respect back to a MASS member until their corp shows it to us. But you guys swore you were here to stay and that pushing SE out of Stain is "GOOD FOR STAIN".
Kazim	Posted - 2005.11.13 17:16:00 - [84] Originally by: Kozak It was the arrogance Trigger and theBold showed us and the disrespect we received at the beginning of this war. Now look at SA. It's falling apart. Everytime we tried to negotiate we got "this is good for Stain". We got the drift that Trigger wanted nothing to do with us. I talked to an old Corp mate who said that Trigger wanted Species out of Stain. This is why there is hate. You reap what you sow. Give respect to us, not just from a lone MASS corp member but you corporation, and we will give it back. By staying in the corp where the leadership is as is, we have to think you support them in all their decisions and this is why I will never show any kind of respect back to a MASS member until their corp shows it to us. But you guys swore you were here to stay and that pushing SE out of Stain is "GOOD FOR STAIN". I think the reason for the "war" we had began when SE shot some SGE members and R-I, and we were looking for blood, so yeah we used that as an excuse. Plus you wanted to make Trigger just a figurehead, not good enough for our emperor! Anyways, cya in space
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.11.13 17:22:00 - [85] The guys who this concerns will know im an EX MASS Director. I admit the way this was handled could have been better but ** happens i guess. Kozak u talk about MASS not showing respect to Species but its kinda hard wen u leader posts ** like this on his corps website: Species website show me where MASS have done anything like this for example. Or worse Amarr CEO's vid showing Trigger as bin Ladin and Bold as another terroist i forget the name at the min sorry. Show me anywere MASS has done anything like this, resorting to personal insults for example and i'll apologise for anything i have ever said about this subject. I have some very old friends in Species many of them ure founding members which i was once asked to be when the old GFL guys and some others left SGE to form Species when the plan of an old idea of a mega corp fell through. These friendships have been very dear to me a few go back to our very beginings of this game and most of which i have spoke to since he start of all this and still very much respect we rise above this and realise this is just a game and leave real life out of it.It's the ppl behind the character i respect which some of ure alliance members seem incapable of doing. Lear to do that and im sure ppl will be able to patch things up.
altsr us	Posted - 2005.11.13 17:29:00 - [86] Originally by: Nick Curso The guys who this concerns will know im an EX MASS Director. I admit the way this was handled could have been better but ** happens i guess. Kozak u talk about MASS not showing respect to Species but its kinda hard wen u leader posts like this on his corps website: Species website show me where MASS have done anything like this for example. Or worse Amarr CEO's vid showing Trigger as bin Ladin and Bold as another terroist i forget the name at the min sorry. Show me anywere MASS has done anything like this, resorting to personal insults for example and i'll apologise for anything i have ever said about this subject. I have some very old friends in Species many of them ure founding members which i was once asked to be when the old GFL guys and some others left SGE to form Species when the plan of an old idea of a mega corp fell through. These friendships have been very dear to me a few go back to our very beginings of this game and most of which i have spoke to since he start of all this and still very much respect we rise above this and realise this is just a game and leave real life out of it.It's the ppl behind the character i respect which some of ure alliance members seem incapable of doing. Lear to do that and im sure ppl will be able to patch things up. as far as amarrs vid goes that was after the **storm that mass and more importantly trigger started and as you said this could have been handled better but obviously trigger and the other directers didnt want that to happen
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.11.13 17:44:00 - [87] My point was the personal insuts in retaliation to ingame polotics. MASS may have started a **** storm ingame but isnt that what makes eve good? Did u read all of my post? Alts can u post with ure main so i have some idea how to respond and maby where ure bias comes from.
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.11.13 18:00:00 - [88] You know what? I can say without a single problem it was the egos on both sides that created this stupidity. I'm just sitting back really angry that Stain had to suffer for it. Don't go blaming diplomats and saying our egos are this or that. We do as we are told and every one of us, no matter the alliance, dedicate every single thing for the good of the whole area, not for ourselves. We have to go and say stupid things and make stupid moves because we are told to do so and our advice is often not listened to. We have to work with individuals to try and broker peace while other pilots in the alliance (any alliance) is going around not listening to cease-fires and creating more of a rift. We often pay isks out of our own wallets to make up for some pilot that claims they were in the right while the other side claims they were in the right just to try and keep all of the egos satisfied. We are constantly insulted, yelled at, blamed for and patted on the head like children all for the sake of making the Alliance a better place. We are also the ones that go and hear the voices of your alliance that you may or may not be listening too. If I were you guys, I'd go thank your diplomats for all they have to do.
Chrony	Posted - 2005.11.13 18:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Sovereign1100 Edited by: Sovereign1100 on 13/11/2005 03:04:37 Originally by: Kozak Damn, I'm confused! Did we win? Yes, I think we did in fact win. No you didnt! G, IRON and RAZOR did.
Kozak	Posted - 2005.11.13 19:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Kazim Originally by: Kozak It was the arrogance Trigger and theBold showed us and the disrespect we received at the beginning of this war. Now look at SA. It's falling apart. Everytime we tried to negotiate we got "this is good for Stain". We got the drift that Trigger wanted nothing to do with us. I talked to an old Corp mate who said that Trigger wanted Species out of Stain. This is why there is hate. You reap what you sow. Give respect to us, not just from a lone MASS corp member but you corporation, and we will give it back. By staying in the corp where the leadership is as is, we have to think you support them in all their decisions and this is why I will never show any kind of respect back to a MASS member until their corp shows it to us. But you guys swore you were here to stay and that pushing SE out of Stain is "GOOD FOR STAIN". I think the reason for the "war" we had began when SE shot some SGE members and R-I, and we were looking for blood, so yeah we used that as an excuse. Plus you wanted to make Trigger just a figurehead, not good enough for our emperor! Anyways, cya in space Trigger "took a break" (from an SA member) shortly after attacking SE. The emperor never took power, but gave it to theBold, who by HIS OWN actions lost Catch for SA which put everythng in motion to the ultimate downfall of SA.

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