A friend of mine recently convinced me to give Eve a shot. He never stops going on about it, so i thought i would give it a look in. I had deliberately stayed away from it in the past given that the game has been around so long, and i figured that as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

My friend seemed to think otherwise.

I cannot for the life of me see why he thought that...

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.

as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

... i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed.

As a new player you are not supposed to fire guns in PvP, if I am correct. PvP in Eve is about team work and newbees role is to tackle, keep enemies pinned down. And take the loot after the battle ;)

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.

A friend of mine recently convinced me to give Eve a shot. He never stops going on about it, so i thought i would give it a look in. I had deliberately stayed away from it in the past given that the game has been around so long, and i figured that as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

My friend seemed to think otherwise.

I cannot for the life of me see why he thought that...

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.

So you wanted to play for a month and win against people with years of experience?

Can I have your stuff? I'll give it to someone who doesn't expect to have a level capped FOTM to use in a few weeks to "win".

So you wanted to play for a month and win against people with years of experience?

Because that is what i typed, right? Infact i'm pretty sure i stated the opposite - hence my apprehension to even start playing this game to begin with.

Obviously reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.

Because that is what i typed, right? Infact i'm pretty sure i stated the opposite - hence my apprehension to even start playing this game to begin with.

Obviously reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.

I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.

I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.

The fact that you have spent time outside of EVE trying to learn is great, believe me. But EVE is also the kind of game were you wont "really" learn until you do it. So keep going out there, look for fights, get blown up in cheap ships, and eventually you will know what ships you can stand up against, and what ships you should run away from if at all possible.
PVP also has some luck involved in it. Finding a "fair" fight can be very hard, but they are out there.

You said you were also looking for other younger players to fight against... I can imagine this is quite difficult since many new players have a.. fear or concern about PVP since they are convinced they need X amount of SP to do anything in PVP.

So, there really is not much advice i can give you...
Ask in local for players around your age that wants to duel for practice.
Go on roams with your corp/alliance/friends.
Join a group like RVB were you can* get useful advice, and get a chance to see both smaller and larger fleets.

*As far as i know RVB don't officially "train" new players but if your patient and polite some of the older players there are willing to set off some time to help you and answer questions.

Dude I have only been here for like two weeks, but I think i might know what your problem is. You can't expect to jump into the first ship you have access to and just go straight to nullsec or whatever place you are flying and dying in. 1--you have no skills yet, so you don't have access to very many modules. 2--If you are just flying around by yourself, then someone with longer range guns is probably blowing you away before you can close the distance and shoot back.

Am I right? The only way you could be competitive is if you happened upon another lowbie in a tech 1 frigate with no skills. but those of us that are just beginning and really want to play the game for the long haul....like me....haven't even attempted any pvp yet. I am busy earning money and training skills so that my weak Tech 1 frigate can be a halfway decent tech 1 frigate.

Also, it is my understanding that almost no one flies around solo in null sec. If they APPEAR to be solo, then as soon as you roll up on them and open fire, some crazy Millenium Falcon looking thing with 17 lasers and a BFG from the original DOOM game will appear out of nowhere and swallow you whole.

Keep in mind I have never SEEN such a thing....I haven't left High sec yet. I am biding my time and gaining strength before I do. But when I DO decide to go out into the pvp places, I won't go alone. I don't think this game works like that if thats what you want to do. at least not until you are way stronger than two days in.

Whoever has the bigger blob usually wins. It's BvB, not PvP. Skills take a lot of time to acquire and yes, you'll be inferior to nearly everyone when you first start. I think this is why EVE gets such a bad rep in the learning department. It's not a hard game at all - it just takes an insane amount of time to do anything. Sane people don't normally wait that long. (grin)

That said, perhaps EVE isn't for you? No shame in that.

It's not a hard game at all - it just takes an insane amount of time to do anything. Sane people don't normally wait that long. (grin)

That said, perhaps EVE isn't for you? No shame in that.

NO

Every death or failure in this game is a learning process. Ship types, equipment used. Most common tactics. The best part of being a noob here is you don't have much to lose. There's pretty much a whole galaxy to gain.

Yeah, so it would seem! - I do wish i had gotten into the game a long time ago.


I absolutely agree that it isn't for everybody. The game is pretty much as i expected it would be - i was just hoping i would be wrong! Anyway, i was just checking it out - i normally play World of Tanks and a few other games here and there. I probably should have seen out the trial first though, haha - so i DID learn something! :)

Thanks for the helpful responses though. I appreciate it.


All the best.

A friend of mine recently convinced me to give Eve a shot. He never stops going on about it, so i thought i would give it a look in. I had deliberately stayed away from it in the past given that the game has been around so long, and i figured that as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

My friend seemed to think otherwise.

I cannot for the life of me see why he thought that...

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.

NO?????? Not even MAYBE? or PERHAPS? just NO? REALLY?

I humbly ask for some enlightenment for I am an EvE Virgin. Flying spaceships for the very first time. An EvE Viiiiiiirrrrrrrrgin with your beam turret next to mine.

I could go on, but I won't. I DO want some enlightenment though. I want more knowledge.

The game is pretty much as i expected it would be - i was just hoping i would be wrong!

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

Yeah, so it would seem! - I do wish i had gotten into the game a long time ago.


I absolutely agree that it isn't for everybody. The game is pretty much as i expected it would be - i was just hoping i would be wrong! Anyway, i was just checking it out - i normally play World of Tanks and a few other games here and there. I probably should have seen out the trial first though, haha - so i DID learn something! :)

Thanks for the helpful responses though. I appreciate it.


All the best.

+1 internet for the Madonna reference. I'm a child of the 80' and that made me laugh out loud so I will respond.

Character skills although important to an extent are far less important that player skills when it comes to PvP in EVE. If you want to PvP then the best thing to do is get out and PvP. Far too many players have up and quit because they waited until they where "ready" to do something that they wanted to do. The thing about this game is that everything revolves around an innate knowledge of the game mechanics, a feel for it that you will never get without actually experiencing the game play that you want to. PvP most of all. No matter how many skill points you have you WILL suck until you get the "feel" for it. You will be podded... hopefully not lots but its a distinct possibility so go get it out of the way while your clones are cheap.

Waiting to be "ready" is not fun & this is a game after all.

Also, there are many soloists in null and many blobs in low. Stepping out into dangerous space and turning off your safety does not guarantee a firey death...it does guarantee a good time through, if you have the right attitude

I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.

I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.

I'm a noob too, but you're never going to get me to PvP. Just reading the half-illiterate expletive-heavy bios of the top bounties gives me an idea of what PvP does to you.

There aren't any 'noob-only' PvP areas, are there, anyway? PvP is either 'noob->support the vets' or 'vet->do actual fighting whilst noobs tackle etc', it seems.

You can duel in hisec, I hear. Maybe that's where you should be going? Advertise in local for a duel. Maybe another noob will be interested.

A friend of mine recently convinced me to give Eve a shot. He never stops going on about it, so i thought i would give it a look in. I had deliberately stayed away from it in the past given that the game has been around so long, and i figured that as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

My friend seemed to think otherwise.

I cannot for the life of me see why he thought that...

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.

whether you think you can or you think you cant--youre right )))

Because that is what i typed, right? Infact i'm pretty sure i stated the opposite - hence my apprehension to even start playing this game to begin with.

Obviously reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.

Words of wisdom from a man with double Ds....and I thought my picture was bad...holy christ...

I think what the guy who started this post is also trying to say that it's a game, and it shouldn't take a whole entire year just to start being able to win fights in PvP. I think that's a bit overboard, myself.

Thanks for the advice, everyone.

I've paid for 3 months sub, so i will persevere. For now i wil avoid solo PvP; besides, working in groups i am having much more success and still learning plenty as well.