5) What just happened? Your expensive ship loss is an even greater loss because you have to carry all the d*mn mods and subsystems in your cargo hold.

lol, funny. Because of that I think it's a good idea. :)

If you are trying to make EVE better then I would say you weren't thinking (at all). If you are only in it for yourself then I could see where you would think that. ;)

It's quite easy:

Let's presume You have all that mods and Subsytems You want in Your cargo hold, so You can use Your hypothetical shape shifter ship to it's fullest extend.

So long as You have the posibility to refit Your ship (aka time not under fire) You can be everything at once.

You COULD have decided to just take that one configuration with You, minimizing any losses You MIGHT have suffered through volatile pod ejection.

But You didn't and so since You decided, You wanted to be a cloaky scanner to find some juicy sites, a PVE ship to harvest those sites, maybe even a ship with a hacking setup for those new and nice little hacking sites and (just in case You encounter someone you actually want to fight) a pvp setup... well You see the thing, he more stuff You carry, the more You loose when You loose, just as with everything else.

Your only advantage then will be that You can actually use all that stuff, on the fly and not just the ammo, but also that nice little deadspace mod You just found or whatever You carry with You that fits in Your ship.

I really think it could be great and really cool, if done right.

It's quite easy:

Let's presume You have all that mods and Subsytems You want in Your cargo hold, so You can use Your hypothetical shape shifter ship to it's fullest extend.

So long as You have the posibility to refit Your ship (aka time not under fire) You can be everything at once.

You COULD have decided to just take that one configuration with You, minimizing any losses You MIGHT have suffered through volatile pod ejection.

But You didn't and so since You decided, You wanted to be a cloaky scanner to find some juicy sites, a PVE ship to harvest those sites, maybe even a ship with a hacking setup for those new and nice little hacking sites and (just in case You encounter someone you actually want to fight) a pvp setup... well You see the thing, he more stuff You carry, the more You loose when You loose, just as with everything else.

Your only advantage then will be that You can actually use all that stuff, on the fly and not just the ammo, but also that nice little deadspace mod You just found or whatever You carry with You that fits in Your ship.

I really think it could be great and really cool, if done right.

no its dumb and should not be possible is what it is... if you want to reship a ship you need a fitting service from another ship that ship must be a capital as only capital ships have fitting service and you cant use your own!

if a carrier cant refit himself in space (if alone) it would be beyond ret*rderd to let a T3 ship do that.

A carrier is a completely different class of ship that touches T3 Strategic Cruisers only marginally, at best. I really don't get why You bring that one up all the time.

Seems a little dumb to me...

I don't see it as a good trade off at all. If you play solo as in exploration then maybe. But remember, there are many people who don't. As stated before, if the trade off is a nerf of performance for fit in space... I'm absolutely 110% against it.

And as stated: If the reason to fly the new t3 (after any nerf which might happen) is because you fit in space then why fly it?? You are missing my point completely. The reason to fly the damn thing would be the fit in space. Your argument is similar to saying if you don't like flying Amarr ships because of the lazor bonus on the hull then just put projectiles on them... you lose the value of the ship.

because a carrier is a ship with a fitting service and it has a fitting service (just like all the other capitals) because its a part of their role... now you get it? a ship cant refit out of thin air that is my point you need a ship like a carrier to refit period

Still seems dumb.

By Your logic I could claim that no other ship than the golem should be allowed to use T2 Torpedos because that's just what the golem specializes in and if You want to launch torpedoes, You should get a Golem.

Where is the downvote button?:O

Whats the point of a ship which is much more expensive and isnt as good as other specialized ships? Nothing
Even if you could refit it who cares maybe some % of the playerbase,and making the rest of the players these ships useless.

Right now they are only op cause they can tank a lot and blob friendly due to lame rr+very good resists and sigtanking.

oh and make every role viable , who uses tengu for jamming or rail sniping ? nobody

oh and remove rigs or make them removable ---> we can change the systems

I want
every subsystem to be useful

no skill loss

in space refitting
no rigs or removable rigs

Even if true it's not an obstacle to the balancing T3. The ability to do many things with a good level of profiency is extremely valuable at times. It allows you to handle a wider range of targets and situations on a single ship. Slightly lower EFT numbers won't make them obsolete in actual combat situations, where an additional ability/bonus set can turn the situation in your favor again. Therefore they can easily remain better then specialized ships in many areas, but that advantage has to be gained through abilitites and stats, that fall outside the individual T2 specializations.

Indeed but lets start by removing what is out of whack and see what happens:

-fix over sized modules to mach their respective category ship

-get rid of off grid links (eventually transfer those abilities to respective skill trees and then it's up to player to do it or not)

-fix the current completely OP DED shield boosters and balance them correctly with DED ARs

-balance faction DED/officer modules: all advantages and no drawback, this needs to be addressed. better fittings and no specialization skills required is way out of wack, they need either to get a higher cap consumption on activation or huge CPU/PG kicks to match their performances and thus limit fittings

Now, about Tengus: 200K EHP and 700dps at....25km I see no problem here, HAC's will eat them at this distance with as much if not more dps once they go through the balance spot, because yes they need more dps/range, smaller signature and higher mobility (not much more tank)

Notice that without touching a single point of any T3 we're already fixing about 80% of what makes them so powerful and still keep the interest on flying them.

There's only one or two roles where each T3 is good, some 1 more others one less but with my proposed changes this already removes a lot if not most of the points making them excel in various combat situations.

Of course this is not an exhaustive list, there are far more little changes needed but none directly related to the T3 hulls.
If something, with these simple proposals and after changes the other T3 subs would require huge boosts to be able to compete or become interesting with T2 counter parts without being better at their job.

they still would kick every T2 ships arse that is totaly out of whack and needs fixing, its not for nothing that every WH and 0.0 corp wants their members to be able to fly T3s hell its pretty much all they use ICM with a few capitals and logi. reason is simple they are too good to be true and that makes nearly the entire T2 ship range useless.

no and no i explained this more then once.

Still doesn't make it right tho.

you cant refit a single ship in space without a ship that has a fitting service those are ONLY found in capitals that has an reason it falls under support and that is their role. its not so hard to understand the fact that i need to point that out 5 times and you still dont seem to get it and cant do more then say uhhh but i want it makes you look dumber then a bag of rocks plz proof me wrong on that last part

you cant refit a single ship in space without a ship that has a fitting service those are ONLY found in capitals that has an reason it falls under support and that is their role. its not so hard to understand the fact that i need to point that out 5 times and you still dont seem to get it and cant do more then say uhhh but i want it makes you look dumber then a bag of rocks plz proof me wrong on that last part

Keep talking, I understand what You're saying, it's just quite narrow minded and it makes You sound as if You were afraid Your shiny cap could become useless for some enigmatic reason. But keep talking, I don't mind.

It has already been brought up (by Commander Ted) that it is almost as, if not more, cost effective to have all the T2 counterpart ships of the T3 subsystems. Without the ability to be truly modular there is little point in calling the ship "modular" letting them refit modules and subsystems in space would be a niche role that only a T3 ship could fill.
There should be restrictions, such as:

It takes 1 minute per subsystem to refit.
All modules need to be turned back online.

Special abilities for the T3 for this would be:
A 600m^3 Subsystem and Module Bay must be loaded in a POS or Station.
A 15% reduction in the capacitor needs for putting modules online.

being able to refit a ship in space would be highly overpowered if it could manage that out of thin air, its also very unrealistic. in my imagine a fitting service is NOT so small it fits in a cruiser. so unrealistic and overpowered. let me guess you also want a cargo bay of 5000 m3 so you can carry everything you can ever need on your T3

Yeah You obviously ignored the part were i said "certain numbers of configurations stored in the ship" and "to be activated like some kind of module, module timer etc. included".

they should be able to refit sub systems on POS or capital fitting service which they cant do now. but it should stop there

They can already refit at a pos, the single use T3 has come from the unbearable logistics of trying to fill a generalized role without being able to have multiple options with you.