The title of the thread asks what I want from the T3 rebalance. I'll reply to that, since my thoughts on the matter aren't specific enough for OP's post.

I want the Legion to not suck compared to the other T3s.

I want the T2-fitted Loki to not have the tank of a T1 cruiser.

I want the Tengu to stop being a ridiculous, ubiquitous, overpowered beast that makes all T3s look ridiculous and overpowered even though every single other T3 pales in comparison to it.

I want the cloaking subsystem on the Proteus to not be strange and beyond bizzarre, resulting in truly hideous ships that I cannot even force myself to consider flying, let alone actually fly. Don't even start with me on aesthetics being important or not, your ship is right there in the middle of your screen all the time and some of us don't fly in full zoom-out mode. There are some things I'd like to be able to cloak and have drones for.

I suppose the Proteus being able to reach EHP levels on par with an unfitted carrier might be a bit wildly, ridiculously and completely out of line as well.

Well first of all T3 is meant to be generalization not specialization thus any subs that give it a unique role is the opposite of generalization so is not viable option.

The main thing for me is T3's should have navy cruiser like tank (default resists) whether that is achieved with rigs or just subs..
- i prefer just subs only i think rigs encourage more specialization and decrease flexibility like..
- say a Loki is shield fit but wants to swap to armour it atm has to destroy its rigs and buy new ones etc...

And to be able to do 2 roles well and maybe a third role at a slight reducement/stretch. at a level inbetween T1 and T2
-Logi and e-war or links and e-war etc.
make shield tanking more viable on proteus and legion so 3/4 T3's can switch between armour and shield tanking.

The "generalization" and "flexibility" aspects of T3 design refer to its ability to switch subsystems and change its purpose, not that the ship should be forever locked in a "can do everything but is terrible at everything" paradigm. You should be completely able to specialize your ship if that's what you want - you just shouldn't be able to do that specific thing as well as the relevant T2.

T2 resists don't specialize the ships or obsolete existing T2s, so they should keep those. The rig slots need to stay as well. Having to pull out all your shield rigs to switch to armor tank is what you get for putting in specialized rigs that aren't very universal.

You can already switch between armor and shield tanking on most of the T3s. The ship isn't guaranteed to be any good at the off-race tanking type though. A shield Proteus should be clearly inferior to a shield tengu or a shield Loki. A shield Legion should in fact be absurd, but possible. Fortunately, this is the way it already is.

I know you hate T3s, as shown by your signature, but please try to refrain from asking that they be watered-down into uselessness.

I want the Legion to not suck compared to the other T3s.

In my opinion, the point is more that T3's, in their most optimized subsystem/module pairing, should not be as good at a specific role as the ships that are designed for it.

A realization that most T3 fits are complete garbage and only a few are even worth of being called "T2" let alone T3.

Then whats the point? You have to dock up to switch to a new config, so you can just as easily get a new ship, and it can be a ship that is better, costs less and doesnt cost skill points when you lose it.

I want T3 to lack rigs (but compensate with subsystems) so the changing of subsystems on-the-fly is more reasonable

T3s cannot be balanced. In EVE, either you're the best at what you do, or you don't get flown. End of.

I don't want WHs themselves nerfed. If T3's are balanced against other ships and so become jack of all trades, master of none, they won't get used as there will always be another, cheaper ship that is better at whatever you're doing. If this happens the price of T3 components will drop drastically in order to make T3's preferable by cost rather than power or people will just stop doing WHs as there wouldn't be any profit in it which would be a crying shame.

WHs have steady income with blues that drop from each sleeper drone.

What I want from a T3 rebalance...

Add an engineering subsystem that allows you to remove rigs without destroying them. For balance purposes this should cost you a slot and/or weapon hardpoint.

Remove the Skillpoint loss when you lose a T3. It's not consistent with the rest of the game.

FIX T3 INSURANCE

Having a machine with good dps, a cloak, and decent speed. Having a cruiser that has natural stabs and good armor plus command links. Having a beast of a tank that can drop a cyno and remote rep.

What I want from a T3 rebalance...

Add an engineering subsystem that allows you to remove rigs without destroying them. For balance purposes this should cost you a slot and/or weapon hardpoint.

Remove the Skillpoint loss when you lose a T3. It's not consistent with the rest of the game.

FIX T3 INSURANCE

I want a heavy nerf of interdiction nullifier. Its OP too much.
Make both offensive subsystem so you cant fit cloak + nullifier for example.

Whenever I see such suggestions all I think is that you're complaining about AFK cloaking.

no this has nothing to do with cloaking, there simply shouldnt be ship/module for almost absolutely safe travel across 0.0/WH.

As you stated, it's not completely safe, it is possible to be caught.

To be honest with a little practice Cov ops frigates can pass through almost as easily.

As for safe travel... What about jump bridges and clone hopping? There are plenty of easy ways to move around in hostile space without a T3.

You suggestion is similar in that it would create other balance issues between subs and slot layouts..

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Regarding bubbles and Cov Ops:
I would argue that considering a T3 costs 10-20 times more than a CovOps and will be slower if it makes a mistake is it so terrible that it should be even more difficult to catch? I agree that maybe the way I qualified my comparisons on how difficult it is to catch a CovOps with a T3 were a bit off.

What I would say though is that your argument that it shouldn't exist because other ways already exist is a bit odd..

I feel It's quite an expensive way moving around in comparison with bridging (A well managed titan should never be caught in the same way a well managed T3 should not be caught). .

My biggest issue is... Who cares? It's easy to move your character around but so what. What are you going to do once you get where you want to be?.

no this has nothing to do with cloaking, there simply shouldnt be ship/module for almost absolutely safe travel across 0.0/WH.

why not have them both fitted as it makes no sense once ur epointed u aint going no where

a insta lock ship cna ruin ure day in one easily

and if you cant catch one then ure not doing it right or u just not that interested in catching it that much.

That is a fair point, actually. I still think T3 are better as costly, powerful cruisers rather than a homogenized mediocrity, no matter how varied you can make them with the subsystems.

(Who moves PLEX is a mystery to me)

This has gone slightly different direction than I thought, but speaking as a w-space resident, interdiction nullification really doesn't get you as far as you think it will. If someone wants to catch you, they will catch you.

Robert... you have some sort specific situation you are unhappy about. I'm not sure what it is.
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T3s aren't expensive? That's an interesting perspective. ;)

it will get you whereever you want to and noone will catch you if you dont want to be caught.

Personally, I think T3's should get balanced with each other but not balanced against other ships. This is because:

1) They cost a fair amount and are by no means indestructible
2) I don't want WHs themselves nerfed. If T3's are balanced against other ships and so become jack of all trades, master of none, they won't get used as there will always be another, cheaper ship that is better at whatever you're doing. If this happens the price of T3 components will drop drastically in order to make T3's preferable by cost rather than power or people will just stop doing WHs as there wouldn't be any profit in it which would be a crying shame.

Just my twopence worth, anyway.

learn to read. I wrote (com)plex loot not PLEX.


it will get you whereever you want to and noone will catch you if you dont want to be caught.


I thought I clearly stated whats the problem. 99.999% safe travel with very little effort is the problem.
I would say >80% of all T3 flying around are covert nullified, I dont see many T3 apart of blob warfare which arent nullified. It says it all.
Nah, T3 arent expensive. Someone who is living in 0 can rat one up in 2 days. If you ever farmed relic sites you know you would get home with >1b ISK of loot after few hours.

Buff T2s, they're ridiculously weak at the moment. T3s are where they should be.

Flatly buffing T2s from their current level would completely undermine the T1 rebalances that took place over the last couple of expansions.

Flatly buffing T2s from their current level would completely undermine the T1 rebalances that took place over the last couple of expansions.

What does "flatly" buffing mean? Do you mean buff everything by equal amounts? Well who said anything about that?

Clearly some HACs need less work than others, e.g. zealot probably only needs a speed buff, but the cerberus? That thing needs a lot of love.

Tiericide was meant to eliminate tiers, not make T2 obsolete. Interceptors are in dire need of rework. HACs needed work even before tiericide. If you object to this then I think you haven't undocked in a very long time.

It is my contention that Eve doesnt allow for a ship that is "more generalized" than T1 and less powerful than T2

What does more generalized even mean? That it can fill multiple roles/lines? Thats useless if your ship has to dock to do it. Why not just have another ship in the station? especially if you have to carry around all of the subsystems/fittings to refit your ship anyway.

"Buff T2's, they're ridiculously weak" sounds pretty much like an across-the-board 'buff everything' statement to me.

Why does the zealot need a speed buff? It already out DPS's, outranges, and out tanks the T1 version. In case you hadn't been paying attention, the point of T2 come the rebalance is that it's more specialised than T1, not better at everything..

The zealot is fine as it is, and depending how tightly CCP applies the 'more specialised, not better' doctrine might even be due a slight nerfing.

HACs need work, yes. What they don't need is to consign the T1s back to the 'outright inferior, only fly this if you're too new or too poor for a T2' status they were a year ago.

I would like to see the ability to switch subsystems
and modules in-space, on-the-fly, on-its-own. That
would be real versatility like no other ship class has
to offer. Then it would be okay if the performance
was brought down a bit to compensate.

Scan with your nullified scanner, change into dps+
specific tank to run the site you found, switch to
combat as someone appears on dscan/local.
That's basically the idea. It would also make for
great tactical combat.

Like CCP says it should be a ship capable of multiple roles at once but not capable of doing any of them as well as a hac.

I never recall them saying they should be able to full multiple roles at the same time.

They are supposed to be able to fill multiple roles, but not as well as there T2 counterparts.
They can be a logistic ship, though that subsystem needs a lot of work before it can eve come close to reaching T1 levels.
They can be E-War ships, though the Tengu is the only one that has the ability to come close to the effectiveness its T2 counterpart.
They can be HAC, they all out class these but that is mostly because HAC need a lot of work.
They can be covert exploration ships, they do this quite well. There is no cruiser counterpart to this configuration.
They can be a Command Ship, this configuration is OP and needs to be redone like their plan. +2%/level to 3 link types.


Then they can also be mild mixes of many of these configurations as well, but will never perform up to the mimicked configuration of the T2 ship.

CCP said tech 3 ships should be capable of generalization, being locked in to the role of a billion isk falcon is specialization.
Then what is the point of a tech 3 ship?

They are only a billion if you chose to faction fit them, a t2 fit costs about 500m.
The great thing about T3 is that they are not locked into any role, when was the last time you put RR on your falcon?
What about a full rack of missiles on your Basilisk?
How about trying to use your HAC as a cloaky E-war ship?

A single T3 can do all these roles without needing to buy a new hull.

To bad that is as much isk as 3 t2 cruisers, and I need to buy new subsystems for every refit putting the price way higher up.

So tell me again why the **** I would want to fly one?

This. Balance this **** out, it's like the Legion got the leftovers of what the other T3s ended up with, especially the Tengu.

Someone else mentioned that only a few of their platform have EWAR. This is also a problem.

Basically, I suggest that we take out a lot of the under used (that being, the useless) subsystems, and turn them into more specialized options.

But, the thing with T3s is, that they are an interesting dichotomy with regards to their performance.

If they aren't tip top in performance, no one will use them in comparison to T2 cruisers, because if T3s aren't awesome, then they are just T2s that you lose skillpoints for dying in. No one will fly them if that happens.

Conversely, you have to make sure that the T3s do not outright invalidate the T2s at any role the T2 is supposed to excel at.

To this end, I would suggest that T3s not be permitted to fire Interdiction effects of any kind. They should be able to duck them, with their superior technology, but they should not be able to use them. The entire point of Interdiction vessels is their ability to use these mods, let them keep that ability.

Ahhhh! Stay away from my Tengu!

tengu is highly overpowered and that needs to be fixed (not nerfed but fixed) i love the ship myself dont get me wrong its just too good in everything as the other T3s are not. enjoy your tengu while you can because it will be fixed with the rebalance i am sure

tengu is highly overpowered and that needs to be fixed (not nerfed but fixed) i love the ship myself dont get me wrong its just too good in everything as the other T3s are not. enjoy your tengu while you can because it will be fixed with the rebalance i am sure

Experience shows this isn't true. Maybe for solo exploration? maybe in Null sec? Maybe for most PVE? Not seeing it in gang PVP for sure.

Then whats the point? You have to dock up to switch to a new config, so you can just as easily get a new ship, and it can be a ship that is better, costs less and doesnt cost skill points when you lose it.

IF you have achieved bittervet nirvana with all5 on all T2 subcaps, then sure. For everyone else, there are (or could be) T3s. If each T3 hull had eight possible fits, and each of those fits can do what a particular T2 ship can do at 90% of the performance level of the equivalent T2 hull, then that is a valid balance.

If you only want to max out one role, then the T2 hull is the obvious choice. It will do the job better and probably take about as long or not much longer to train. If you want to do two or three or eight things reasonably well, then the T3 is attractive because you can get 9/10ths of the performance for every role with 1/10th the training time.

That makes the T3 ideal for noobs in general and for any case where you want to be able to train one hull and one weapon line and do several different things on demand. Plenty of people "will bother" to fly T3s if this is the reason to fly them. People also "will bother" to fly T2s again either because they want the best performance for one role or just because they can, when they have been around long enough to join the 100m SP club.

The problem right now is that the T3 does everything better than anything else you might fly, which makes it the only choice for anyone, and makes T2s look like a total waste of SP except for the niche roles that T3s cannot fill at all. That is not balance, it's an iWin button.

Being able to use the fitting window in space, to swap sub systems or modules You happen to have in cargo would be cool.

Or something like that. Something that actually lets You facilitate on the much complimented versatility of the T3 ships.

5) What just happened? Your expensive ship loss is an even greater loss because you have to carry all the d*mn mods and subsystems in your cargo hold.

lol, funny. Because of that I think it's a good idea. :)

If you are trying to make EVE better then I would say you weren't thinking (at all). If you are only in it for yourself then I could see where you would think that. ;)

It's quite easy:

Let's presume You have all that mods and Subsytems You want in Your cargo hold, so You can use Your hypothetical shape shifter ship to it's fullest extend.

So long as You have the posibility to refit Your ship (aka time not under fire) You can be everything at once.

You COULD have decided to just take that one configuration with You, minimizing any losses You MIGHT have suffered through volatile pod ejection.

But You didn't and so since You decided, You wanted to be a cloaky scanner to find some juicy sites, a PVE ship to harvest those sites, maybe even a ship with a hacking setup for those new and nice little hacking sites and (just in case You encounter someone you actually want to fight) a pvp setup... well You see the thing, he more stuff You carry, the more You loose when You loose, just as with everything else.

Your only advantage then will be that You can actually use all that stuff, on the fly and not just the ammo, but also that nice little deadspace mod You just found or whatever You carry with You that fits in Your ship.

I really think it could be great and really cool, if done right.

It's quite easy:

Let's presume You have all that mods and Subsytems You want in Your cargo hold, so You can use Your hypothetical shape shifter ship to it's fullest extend.

So long as You have the posibility to refit Your ship (aka time not under fire) You can be everything at once.

You COULD have decided to just take that one configuration with You, minimizing any losses You MIGHT have suffered through volatile pod ejection.

But You didn't and so since You decided, You wanted to be a cloaky scanner to find some juicy sites, a PVE ship to harvest those sites, maybe even a ship with a hacking setup for those new and nice little hacking sites and (just in case You encounter someone you actually want to fight) a pvp setup... well You see the thing, he more stuff You carry, the more You loose when You loose, just as with everything else.

Your only advantage then will be that You can actually use all that stuff, on the fly and not just the ammo, but also that nice little deadspace mod You just found or whatever You carry with You that fits in Your ship.

I really think it could be great and really cool, if done right.

no its dumb and should not be possible is what it is... if you want to reship a ship you need a fitting service from another ship that ship must be a capital as only capital ships have fitting service and you cant use your own!

if a carrier cant refit himself in space (if alone) it would be beyond ret*rderd to let a T3 ship do that.

A carrier is a completely different class of ship that touches T3 Strategic Cruisers only marginally, at best. I really don't get why You bring that one up all the time.

Seems a little dumb to me...

I don't see it as a good trade off at all. If you play solo as in exploration then maybe. But remember, there are many people who don't. As stated before, if the trade off is a nerf of performance for fit in space... I'm absolutely 110% against it.

And as stated: If the reason to fly the new t3 (after any nerf which might happen) is because you fit in space then why fly it?? You are missing my point completely. The reason to fly the damn thing would be the fit in space. Your argument is similar to saying if you don't like flying Amarr ships because of the lazor bonus on the hull then just put projectiles on them... you lose the value of the ship.

because a carrier is a ship with a fitting service and it has a fitting service (just like all the other capitals) because its a part of their role... now you get it? a ship cant refit out of thin air that is my point you need a ship like a carrier to refit period

Still seems dumb.

By Your logic I could claim that no other ship than the golem should be allowed to use T2 Torpedos because that's just what the golem specializes in and if You want to launch torpedoes, You should get a Golem.

Where is the downvote button?:O

Whats the point of a ship which is much more expensive and isnt as good as other specialized ships? Nothing
Even if you could refit it who cares maybe some % of the playerbase,and making the rest of the players these ships useless.

Right now they are only op cause they can tank a lot and blob friendly due to lame rr+very good resists and sigtanking.

oh and make every role viable , who uses tengu for jamming or rail sniping ? nobody

oh and remove rigs or make them removable ---> we can change the systems

I want
every subsystem to be useful

no skill loss

in space refitting
no rigs or removable rigs

Even if true it's not an obstacle to the balancing T3. The ability to do many things with a good level of profiency is extremely valuable at times. It allows you to handle a wider range of targets and situations on a single ship. Slightly lower EFT numbers won't make them obsolete in actual combat situations, where an additional ability/bonus set can turn the situation in your favor again. Therefore they can easily remain better then specialized ships in many areas, but that advantage has to be gained through abilitites and stats, that fall outside the individual T2 specializations.

Indeed but lets start by removing what is out of whack and see what happens:

-fix over sized modules to mach their respective category ship

-get rid of off grid links (eventually transfer those abilities to respective skill trees and then it's up to player to do it or not)

-fix the current completely OP DED shield boosters and balance them correctly with DED ARs

-balance faction DED/officer modules: all advantages and no drawback, this needs to be addressed. better fittings and no specialization skills required is way out of wack, they need either to get a higher cap consumption on activation or huge CPU/PG kicks to match their performances and thus limit fittings

Now, about Tengus: 200K EHP and 700dps at....25km I see no problem here, HAC's will eat them at this distance with as much if not more dps once they go through the balance spot, because yes they need more dps/range, smaller signature and higher mobility (not much more tank)

Notice that without touching a single point of any T3 we're already fixing about 80% of what makes them so powerful and still keep the interest on flying them.

There's only one or two roles where each T3 is good, some 1 more others one less but with my proposed changes this already removes a lot if not most of the points making them excel in various combat situations.

Of course this is not an exhaustive list, there are far more little changes needed but none directly related to the T3 hulls.
If something, with these simple proposals and after changes the other T3 subs would require huge boosts to be able to compete or become interesting with T2 counter parts without being better at their job.

they still would kick every T2 ships arse that is totaly out of whack and needs fixing, its not for nothing that every WH and 0.0 corp wants their members to be able to fly T3s hell its pretty much all they use ICM with a few capitals and logi. reason is simple they are too good to be true and that makes nearly the entire T2 ship range useless.

no and no i explained this more then once.

Still doesn't make it right tho.

you cant refit a single ship in space without a ship that has a fitting service those are ONLY found in capitals that has an reason it falls under support and that is their role. its not so hard to understand the fact that i need to point that out 5 times and you still dont seem to get it and cant do more then say uhhh but i want it makes you look dumber then a bag of rocks plz proof me wrong on that last part

you cant refit a single ship in space without a ship that has a fitting service those are ONLY found in capitals that has an reason it falls under support and that is their role. its not so hard to understand the fact that i need to point that out 5 times and you still dont seem to get it and cant do more then say uhhh but i want it makes you look dumber then a bag of rocks plz proof me wrong on that last part

Keep talking, I understand what You're saying, it's just quite narrow minded and it makes You sound as if You were afraid Your shiny cap could become useless for some enigmatic reason. But keep talking, I don't mind.

It has already been brought up (by Commander Ted) that it is almost as, if not more, cost effective to have all the T2 counterpart ships of the T3 subsystems. Without the ability to be truly modular there is little point in calling the ship "modular" letting them refit modules and subsystems in space would be a niche role that only a T3 ship could fill.
There should be restrictions, such as:

It takes 1 minute per subsystem to refit.
All modules need to be turned back online.

Special abilities for the T3 for this would be:
A 600m^3 Subsystem and Module Bay must be loaded in a POS or Station.
A 15% reduction in the capacitor needs for putting modules online.

being able to refit a ship in space would be highly overpowered if it could manage that out of thin air, its also very unrealistic. in my imagine a fitting service is NOT so small it fits in a cruiser. so unrealistic and overpowered. let me guess you also want a cargo bay of 5000 m3 so you can carry everything you can ever need on your T3

Yeah You obviously ignored the part were i said "certain numbers of configurations stored in the ship" and "to be activated like some kind of module, module timer etc. included".

they should be able to refit sub systems on POS or capital fitting service which they cant do now. but it should stop there

They can already refit at a pos, the single use T3 has come from the unbearable logistics of trying to fill a generalized role without being able to have multiple options with you.

NO. You should not have to carry all the stuff you might need in your hold. That's my entire point. The loss of the ship goes up because of it. Fit in space is not a good idea. The people who want this are the solo PVE peeps. It is and shall remain a terrible idea and you should feel terrible.

NO. You should not have to carry all the stuff you might need in your hold. That's my entire point. The loss of the ship goes up because of it. Fit in space is not a good idea. The people who want this are the solo PVE peeps. It is and shall remain a terrible idea and you should feel terrible.

That's my whole frigging point!!! It is overpriced and to boot I have to carry more expensive loot in it to even give it a chance to be worth flying. Guess what that does? Makes my overpriced, under-performing ship even more expensive when I lose it. That's great trade off to me!!!

And when T3s are given there nerf to where they are supposed to be then what? You have an overpriced novelity ship than will be outperformed by T2 (as they should be) and more expensive than a pirate faction ship but with the role quality of a navy ship.
Without a gimmic of there own they will collect dust like many ships have in the past.

nd when T3s are given there nerf to where they are supposed to be then what? You have an overpriced novelity ship than will be outperformed by T2 (as they should be) and more expensive than a pirate faction ship but with the role quality of a navy ship.
Without a gimmic of there own they will collect dust like many ships have in the past.

I think you're not factoring in the re-balance will also affect price .. i can't imagine they will expect you to pay 500 mil for T3 cruiser when it will only perform at 80% of a T2 cruiser... so maybe 80% of the price so 120mil ish...

Greater risk greater reward, if you bring the stuff to refit to do higher complexes you risk losing more but your potential for greater reward is higher, if they could be allowed to refit and re sub in space.

As it stands now they will be put in the area I stated before but without the ability to refit.

They won't perform 80% of one ship they perform 80% of 4 ships.
So 120mill 4 ships = 480mill * 80% = 384mill

They won't perform 80% of one ship they perform 80% of 4 ships.
So 120mill 4 ships = 480mill * 80% = 384mill

i think it will be close to 90% that is not bad and they can fullfill more then 4 roles

90% is way too high and no way it could do more than 4 roles properly

not at once but they are highly adaptive so much options that is a big advantage they can be

black ops fleets
they can do EWAR
recon
ahac
commandship
covert ops

So T3 ships are flexible? I thought T3 ships were supposed to be flexible but they aren't currently? You mean one hull can be fit out several different, viable ways? Well now I am confused... all the 'nerf T3' ships comments because the big draw of T3 ships is supposed to be they are flexible. Either they are flexible or they aren't. Which is it? ;)

I think you're not factoring in the re-balance will also affect price .. i can't imagine they will expect you to pay 500 mil for T3 cruiser when it will only perform at 80% of a T2 cruiser... so maybe 80% of the price so 120mil ish...

Versatility, not simply in changing out subsystems, but in battlefield roles.

I believe that is what CCP intends to do.

no you have a ship that performs a lot of tasks good just no i win button so a specialized ship does the job little bit better so its still usefull! the prices will drop a bit and its fixed. you act like a ship that can fullfill a ton of diffrent roles almost as good as the specialized ship isnt good

Versatility doesn't make a ship good.

If another ship will do it better, than why the heck would anyone put money down on the lesser ship?

"Hmm, I can purchase a 200+ million isk slightly beefed up Vexor... or a 120 mil Ishtar."

Not to mention the horrifically devaluing that would do to wormhole space. Because there's no point in keeping them around if a cheaper cruiser will do their jobs better, so price goes down from 500 mil to 150-180 mil. Suddenly, C3s are less valueble than nullsec space. Sounds like a swell idea.



Right now, the whole shtick of the T3 is Battleship like power cruiser for a lot of isk and skill training loss on death.

Nerfing them, they would be decent at a lot of things, but other ships do it better, so buy something else.

Along with the links and HAC rebalancing, not much needs to be done.

+ small range bonus to all RR subsystems
- one rig slot from all T3s

Proteus-specific, others may have similar minor issues:

+ 25m3 drone bay and 25mbit/s bandwidth to Dissonic Encoding Platform (it's a Gallente ship ffs)
+ 50m3 drone more to Proteus Drone Synthesis Projector
+ Proteus Dissolution Sequencer graphics swapped with CPU Efficiency Gate graphics

Well you could just go nuts and universally nerf all T3's by removing their ability to fit normal T1 and T2 rigs, and create a set of Sleeper Rigs that are fittable on T3's. They can be balanced between the T1 and T2 rigs, but can be restricted to just 1 style (meaning no T1 and T2 sleeper rig). They would be removable unlike Normal Rigs. The reason for the removal ability of the T3 rigs would be that T3's are modular, the subsystems can be swapped out for different (sometimes Dramatically different) setups, the rigs should be able to follow suit.

The title of the thread asks what I want from the T3 rebalance. I'll reply to that, since my thoughts on the matter aren't specific enough for OP's post.

I want the Legion to not suck compared to the other T3s.

I want the T2-fitted Loki to not have the tank of a T1 cruiser.

I want the Tengu to stop being a ridiculous, ubiquitous, overpowered beast that makes all T3s look ridiculous and overpowered even though every single other T3 pales in comparison to it.

I want the cloaking subsystem on the Proteus to not be strange and beyond bizzarre, resulting in truly hideous ships that I cannot even force myself to consider flying, let alone actually fly. Don't even start with me on aesthetics being important or not, your ship is right there in the middle of your screen all the time and some of us don't fly in full zoom-out mode. There are some things I'd like to be able to cloak and have drones for.

I suppose the Proteus being able to reach EHP levels on par with an unfitted carrier might be a bit wildly, ridiculously and completely out of line as well.

If so then you would have to lower the damage the guns do. I fly Proteus on 2 different characters but it would OP with the drone changes by themselves.

I think, in the HAC vs HAC configured T3 it might be interesting to separate the application of both a little bit.

If T3s were to loose quite a bit of resistances but gained raw armor hp, whereas HACs should gain more resistances and less raw armor hp.
In that way, you can still have a massive buffer on the T3, but it scales worse with logis so in large fleet battles with lots of logi, you would want a HAC with better resistances but a little less buffer, whereas for smaller gang stuff with less/no logi, the bigger buffer might be still preferable.
It would also fit lorewise, that T2 cruisers that are produced with 0.0 moon materials are supposed to scale well into large fleets whereas the wormhole produced T3s are better at small and medium gang engagements.

Obviously this would also require a buff to (addition of) an active tank bonus so you can still use T3s for PVE the same as before.

well, they can be caught if the pilot is an idiot or at bad luck but too hard still. want it to be nerfed.

Why? Hybrid Propulsion Armature gets 50/75 drones on top of same damage and falloff bonuses. 7.5% tracking is nice, but doesn't really substitute for a flight of lights.

50m3 more drone bay to the drone subsys would not affect it's dps, just the amount of drones you can have in bay. Bay size gimps it a bit as an exploration ship, which I think is the primary application for the drone subsys. Furthermore it would be cool if it had a bit more cargo bay. As it is, you can't transport subsystems and drones in cloaky mode like on other T3s.