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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 13:59:00 -
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First of all, I want to thank Torfi for coming out in the open with his distributing of a tech level 5 laser which made it's way to TTi and caused quite a stir.
Now that that is all sorted I want to know who else is putting these things in the game cause after reading the taggart story about the blue glow coming from the laser I remembered something that I saw 1 month ago, while I was still in my newbie corp and in my 1 month free gaming.
I was doing some group mining and generally protecting miners for some money in my Tristan. One night night I was in Raneilles and there was a strip mining operation in progress and atleast one of the persons mining the rocks into oblivion had blue mining lasers. I asked in local what those blue glow lasers were but instead of getting a responce the person left a few moments later.
Now that I used all tech level 1 miners myself I want to know where I can buy these blue glow mining lasers. Our corp needs to replace a Megathron and those lasers will help us to do that.
So no more talk about they are not in the game, I just remembered seeing them a MONTH ago, so I want some too. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
nono
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Posted - 2003.08.08 14:44:00 -
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With all the threads and 'stories' about these miners one cannot beleive anything anyone says anymore it seems.
Contradictions are abundant even from the game developers themselves it seems.
One constant is the fact there are several in the game not just one. This from the CSM chat saying "they" will be removed. And the fact they (and perhaps other items) didn't just show up a few days ago.
I don't think the truth will ever come out as admitting anything would be akin to pulling the plug on this game.
So with that said, prove me wrong CCP. Tell the population.....
1. How many items like these are, or have been in the game . 2. Just how long have they been around.
Two straight up questions that once answered will swell into an endless list don't you think?
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 14:48:00 -
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Boo Hoo Hoo!!
Wait you got a megathron?!?! I don't I want one to.
Please Mommy, Gimme, Gimme.
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.08 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: nono on 08/08/2003 14:54:00 """ Boo Hoo Hoo!!
Wait you got a megathron?!?! I don't I want one to. """
Well they are available to everyone and if you work your ass off you can get one.
Would you like a tissue to wipe your tears troll.
Now run along, Mommy says it's time for your bath.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 08/08/2003 14:59:14 Before I started playing there where ways to make money, alot of money that there you can't do anymore. Now there are players that have vast fortunes that I may never be able to achieve as fast as them or not at all. You might be one of those players. You do not see me whinning on the post about how unfair that is.
I for one won't mind if there were unique items out there that only some people had. They will be eventually put out for everyone by either NPC market or player market.
But for now the unknown items that could be found out there in space give it a sort of mysterous draw that make me want to play more.
If I found a legit tech lvl 2 or even lv 1 miner that was blue and you saw me using it. I wouldn't tell you what is was or where I found it either. I may need to gather more and info like that spreading would drop my chances if everyone knew where to go.
So plz stop crying and go play the game.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: DJvGalen on 08/08/2003 15:11:35 In case people think I am not serious, you are wrong, I saw these lasers being used over a month ago in Raneilles, a 0.8 system.
My opening offer is:
43.000 Kernite 193.000 Omber or with refinery 4: 130.002 Tritanium 38.556 Pyerite 67.622 Mexallon 130.002 Isogen
This is from my personal hangar, not our corporation hangar. I will continue mining this weekend if this is not enough for high tech level mining lasers.
To Kalhan: Sadly we no longer have a Megathron, it was destroyed by Sinister 2 days after my corp member bought it. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:12:00 -
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yeh i think your refering to the manufacture/recycle exploit that launched a lot of corps into riches.
From the onset this game has been imbalanced because of that EXPLOIT.
GREAT!
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:14:00 -
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Sorry to hear of your loss Great gallente leader. And I'm sorry I was so rude. it is just that phrases like...
Quote: So no more talk about they are not in the game, I just remembered seeing them a MONTH ago, so I want some too
I feel are so pathetic. My 2yr son watches TV and points and the toys in the commercials crying about how he wants one too. And thats what it reminds me of.
If I had those miners I don't think they would be for sale.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:18:00 -
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That is only one of the many ways that older player made money. If poeple are going to cry becuase someone found a rare item or the Devs are tring out new tech that wil be introduced into the game.
Then I say that all the players who got there fortune and items fast becuase of bugs and and exploits and easy pirates from the beginning of the game. Should have it all taken away.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:20:00 -
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Quote: I feel are so pathetic. My 2yr son watches TV and points and
but.. your son was 3 years old only the other day in another post...
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:20:00 -
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there have been ~10 of these mining lasers in the game for over a few weeks. CCP is taking them back now. -
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:21:00 -
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lol sorry yes he is 3yr old. Thx for catching that. I only wish he was 2. He was much more behaved then. Now he is going through those terrible 2s.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:25:00 -
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Yes well, I may sound pathetic, but that's because I joined this game too late.
I joined shortly after the High end ores were moved to 0.0.
I got to a cruiser to finally go NPC hunting the weekend after the Loot patch.
I got strong enough to go big convoy killing shortly after another patch that stopped harvester and other good loot.
So now I'm just trying to play this game the best I can, with the options still open to me. And one of those mining lasers can help our corporation a great deal, instead of me mining 40.000 Omber in 2 hours, I could do 80.000 Omber in 2 hours because that is what I do, most of my corp is still on holiday so I do long stretches of lone mining which I then bring home in my Industrial.
So why do you blame me for wanting to buy one of those things now that I finally put 2 and 2 together and realise these things have been in the game for a LONG time allready ? ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:31:00 -
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I guess you, and the ... fools, on the trade chan trying to buy these, don't get the part about them being taken away from those who have them. Hmm, I wish I did have one, I'd sell it to someone... for far more then the pitiful amount of mins/ore you mentioned, and laugh when ccp took it away from em 2 days later. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:33:00 -
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No body is blaming you for wanting them. I want them too. But I feel that if they are not suppose to be in the game then why even ask.
And if they are legit items what if the ones who have these items doesn't want to sell or tell you where to find them.
You are in the same boat as my corp. I almost left my corp because they all went on vacation and left me alone.
It sounded as if you were whinning like the others for CCP to give then stuff too. But if there is a legit item out there and you want to see if it is for sale them by all means please proceed with my greatest apologies. But keep in mind that they may not want to sell or let others know that a legit item like it exists.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:44:00 -
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Quote: there have been ~10 of these mining lasers in the game for over a few weeks. CCP is taking them back now.
IF CCP is actually going to grab them back then they have to realise that just taking the mining lasers is not enough to undo the damage they did to the game balance.
1 frigate with 1 tech V miner can do the same amount of mining as a cruiser with 3 CU vapors and another tech level 1 miner.
Imagine these things being ingame for 1 month, as I know some have been, then a single corp has made about 1 Billion worth of ore if it was used all the time and we all know the big corps are online 24/7 so we just have to assume the mining lasers were never used ?
Sorry, I don't buy that.
And I know my offer is not much, but it is ALL I got. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:52:00 -
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DJvGalen
But if you are going to say that. Then Again I must say CCP should take everything away from those who started the game early.
Because what if that is the case??? What if those unnamed people found those items when the game was first put out and being worked on. Loot tables are horrible now.
CCP might as well put everyones char and stuff back to 0. There is noway they can do that. And there is noway CCP can make everyone happy espiecally when it is there mistake.
EX. I have had Wallmart mis-price and item lower then what is was suppose to be. They had to sell it to me the that price cause it was there employees fault. Then then repriced it to make it correct. I didn't see others go and pick it up complaining that I got it for a low price. And they didn't make me give it back or go and find the others that bought it like I did.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:08:00 -
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Quote: DJvGalen
But if you are going to say that. Then Again I must say CCP should take everything away from those who started the game early.
Because what if that is the case??? What if those unnamed people found those items when the game was first put out and being worked on. Loot tables are horrible now.
I completely agree and that is why I started this thread, just look around on the forum.
1 guy found a tech 5 missile BP, now these tech 5 mining lasers, what else is out there ?
Harvesters used to drop by the 1000's. CU vapors were common drops, now I haven't found a dual diode in 2 weeks. I just want our corporation to move forward instead of 1 hour of groupmining a day because I can only play for 2 hours and when I can play longer in weekends nobody else is online from my Corp.
We get a battleship, 100 million ISK almost a month work, and it's blown out of the sky without warning, without ransom by the people who got rich mining ark and bistot in high sec space and now the roids are crap, I mine big holes in belts to scrape together 10.000 omber and switch to Pyrox and Plag because I don't want to waste my gaming time by getting my Indy and wasting the 1 hour gametime I might have left before I need to log out again because I got a daytime job.
The people in Iceland really don't have a clue how unfair all the advantages the 2-3 weeks longer playing gamers have over me and my corpmates. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:19:00 -
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I feel your pain. I really do. I play as much as I can and as much as my son and GF let me. And it still doesn't seem like enough. But it is becuase we are addicted. And the first step to feeling better about all of this is to realize this. I have and I feel better already. There are things in Eve that will happen bad and good I now except this and try to have fun.
I espiecially feel you pain about corpmembers on holiday. It may not be there fault but I know how frustating this is.
The second step to a healthy and prosperous game of Eve is to Contact The1 or Myself ingame and join our corp. We are onine alot and we roleplay alot now. We have kinda slacked off in the mining thing because of some roleplay events that of come into focus. But we have been having the time of our lives. Oh and bring your share of assests and any other corpmates that wish to come along.
Relax having fun is what is inportant. That is what I have payed for. I will not let others or CCPs mistakes take that away from me.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: DJvGalen on 08/08/2003 16:29:04 And before anyone gives a reply about my whining, consider this.
If this game is only meant to be fun and profitable for the people that were in Beta then please tell me RIGHT NOW, then I'll cancel my credit card which I got purely to play this game.
I used to play Freelancer in a RPG community, we used a special mod and every new update had a complete character wipe.
Each faction had its own rules, police can ONLY make money by doing police and navy missions. If police is found trading then you would be considered a cheater and got 1 warning before you were banned. Same goes for pirates, traders, navy and the bandit groups.
Entire groups were complaining when a navy character was raiding NPC convoys because it was out of character.
I stopped playing that game the day my Credit Card came which I got only to play this game.
If this game is to be elite for the Beta players then tell me now before I sink more time and money into this game.
I think it is a great game but it has flaws, the flaws are spelled out allover the forums on this website, even the exploits can be found if you look hard enough.
I've been waiting for a game like this ever since Elite, Elite II Frontier and WC: Privateer but if the later entry players only get screwed with each new patch then this game has lost it's appeal to me.
I'm not saying CCP should do a char wipe, the moment they do that I will press cancel subscription, but they can certainly put in effort to reduce the HUGE advantage between players that joined this game slightly later then the rest who did get Gazillions from the loot and ore and god knows what else.
EDIT: Typos ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:29:00 -
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Yes, this game was ONLY meant to be fun for people in beta. So quit now and forward ALL your assets to me for letting you know before you waist any more money or time.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:48:00 -
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Quote: Yes, this game was ONLY meant to be fun for people in beta. So quit now and forward ALL your assets to me for letting you know before you waist any more money or time.
Can I get a confirmation from Pann or a polaris member before I forward all my assets to another player ? ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
Xtreme Wrath
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:56:00 -
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JEEZUZ HOLY CHRIST! Whine whine whine...
I started the day the game went retail and am in the same boat as you and your corp... I have busted my ass for everything I have in this game and love the game. Not that it matters...
Have I wished I could have been part of BETA to know what to do and expect? Sure but damn dude... you sound like a little girl with all your crying for tech items...
Life's not fair.. thats the way things go. Either ball up in a fetal position and cry about it or move on and make your own way the best you can... just like 90% of the other players in the game...
Sheesh
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:59:00 -
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No DJ don't go and don't listen to those flamers. I don't see you now as a Whinner just frustated and ill informed.
If you are not having fun with your corp then plz join ours.
If you really really don't like the game the way it is then you are of course welcome to leave. But, know that this game mey get better and the Devs get smarter (hopefully, or replaced by smarter ones) And you will never know how fun it could be if you leave now.
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Laarz Kaledon
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Posted - 2003.08.08 17:41:00 -
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Alot of people have stuff I don't have... somehow I still manage to wake up everyday and play Eve.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 20:52:00 -
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Quote: you sound like a little girl with all your crying for tech items...
Look at it this way...
When I started 2 months ago the best items you could get as a miner were CU Vapors and Harvester drones.
Now we are 2 months further into the game and the best items you can get as a miner are CU Vapors and Harvester drones. Except that through patches their value skyrocketed.
Through some freak accident, or call it amusement from the GM's and developers, much much better things made its way into the game. And ONLY because TTi wrote a roleplaying story about them did everyone else learn of it.
If these tech 5 lasers, or even tech 2 lasers, would be in the game then you'd see tremendous pricedrops in CU Vapors and other things, why buy a Vapor for 3 million if there's a Miner 2 for half that price ? This would help newly starting players alot and, yes, me as well but also everyone else that is reading this.
I believe that soon we are going to see Elite frigates, although I have yet to understand how the war ended (check timeline in the manual), frigates that were created by two nations working together, Caldari and Gallente to name an example.
Then we'll see a Guardian Vexor, some hybrid cruiser that has a extra missile launcher, these items probably need new skills and those skills will cost a fortune.
How is everyone going to pay for these new ships and skills ? Mining for a week with tech 1 lasers earns you 20 million tops if you can only play 2 hours a day and extra in the weekends.
What happens when you get station platforms ? Allready people are complaining that you can't get enough Megacyte to build ships, what do you think will happen if the platforms start to pop up ?
What I think will happen is that ore production for ships and other items will come to a complete stop and 1 or 2 companies will be going all around EVE buying up every single mineral they can get their hands on until it runs dry. Then the same 2 companies will start to DEMAND that their miners will BRING their minerals to them, resulting in even slower mining progress and then a third company gets possesion of a station platform...
Oh my, will it then be my turn to call the whole EVE community whiners because when I was trying to make my point you would not listen to me ?
I'm not even going to imagine the complaints when people run out of ships and nobody will be able to sell new ones to the miners who now cannot meet their quota.
I will leave you all with that thought, I am going to read a few more threads about agent missions and maybe make a suggestion or 2 there and then i'll log in the game and I can't read forum while mining because running EVE windowed does not work well for me. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.08.08 21:22:00 -
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Quote: How is everyone going to pay for these new ships and skills ? Mining for a week with tech 1 lasers earns you 20 million tops if you can only play 2 hours a day and extra in the weekends.
Find a better way to make money or mine better stuff. Their are alot of ways to make alot of money you just gotta find out how.
Quote: What I think will happen is that ore production for ships and other items will come to a complete stop and 1 or 2 companies will be going all around EVE buying up every single mineral they can get their hands on until it runs dry. Then the same 2 companies will start to DEMAND that their miners will BRING their minerals to them, resulting in even slower mining progress and then a third company gets possesion of a station platform...
GREAT!! if that happens i can jack up prices on minerals.
Quote: I'm not even going to imagine the complaints when people run out of ships and nobody will be able to sell new ones to the miners who now cannot meet their quota.
Another great thing. Now maybe i can acualy sell my maller for what i paid for it. Also make some ships and jack up the prices.
If you weren't in such a whining mood you would of seen a good why to make money on what you "think" would happen.
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.08.08 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: ChaosTEK on 08/08/2003 21:23:36 double post
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