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Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Gangsters And Gentlemen
Silent Ascension
40
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:26:00 -
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No it's not. It's like an other way of achieving the goal of a tracking disruptor.
But yeah, still 1000s times better than dice (t)roll mechanics.
Don't feed the trolls. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
63
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:37:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:oh look, another whine about rng being random.
He makes valid points. Boosting / overloaded dual ECCM vs a couple thousand isk worth of drones. Need to learn when a post is a valid post vs when its just whining and you'll be a gun poster like me. |
FDIC Agent
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
46
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:45:00 -
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I understand the concept of smartbombs to kill the ECM drones, but I do high sec wars as well and you can't really use those there.
It is just a shame that the only real counter is using the very same broken mechanic. I'm curious why CCP insists on keeping the anti-fun mechanic the way it is.
Anyways, only two weeks before Caldari cruiser five on my alt and he will be flying a falcon constantly. I plan on perma jamming everyone, even if they stood no chance at all, just to rub in how messed up the mechanic is. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1518
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:46:00 -
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Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:No it's not. It's like an other way of achieving the goal of a tracking disruptor.
Katran Luftschreck wrote:In this way ECM now becomes comparable to other EWAR methods such as SD and TD.
Correct... that's the point. To make ECM comparable to other forms of EWAR.
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
Hashashin Cartel
371
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:48:00 -
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FDIC Agent wrote:I understand the concept of smartbombs to kill the ECM drones, but I do high sec wars as well and you can't really use those there.
It is just a shame that the only real counter is using the very same broken mechanic. I'm curious why CCP insists on keeping the anti-fun mechanic the way it is.
Anyways, only two weeks before Caldari cruiser five on my alt and he will be flying a falcon constantly. I plan on perma jamming everyone, even if they stood no chance at all, just to rub in how messed up the mechanic is.
I'll be awaiting your post about how you missed jam cycles for 2 fights in a row even though you have a 90 percent chance of jamming them 
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:51:00 -
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Aldap wrote:Its well known ECM drones should more or less be completely removed from the game
lol
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NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus
The Retirement Club
171
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:04:00 -
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Wow OP. Those guys have serious good luck against you. I feel you man. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
513
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:10:00 -
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FDIC Agent wrote:I understand the concept of smartbombs to kill the ECM drones, but I do high sec wars as well and you can't really use those there.
It is just a shame that the only real counter is using the very same broken mechanic. I'm curious why CCP insists on keeping the anti-fun mechanic the way it is.
Anyways, only two weeks before Caldari cruiser five on my alt and he will be flying a falcon constantly. I plan on perma jamming everyone, even if they stood no chance at all, just to rub in how messed up the mechanic is.
Recruit some newbs and hand them frigates / destroyers, tell them to go for the drones before applying DPS to anything larger. I don't like their mechanics either nor the whole jamming concept. If you are unsure as to what drone type someone is carrying you may opt to let yourself be agressed, and burn back to the gate in hopes of him showing, opening a Limited Engagement only if the drones are non-ECM. If someone denies you your lock you can at least deny them the kill.
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Dave Stark
3168
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:18:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:oh look, another whine about rng being random. He makes valid points. Boosting / overloaded dual ECCM vs a couple thousand isk worth of drones. Need to learn when a post is a valid post vs when its just whining and you'll be a gun poster like me.
no he doesn't.
look at his sample size. presenting a random outlier as "proof" is about as dumb as it gets. |
Dalts
Brothers ln Arms
36
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:37:00 -
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Personally I'd make it so you had to have a new mid slot module fit for ECM drones to work (or to boost their jam pooints to near current levels) so that they were still viable on non-combat ships but became much more of a trade off for combat ships. |
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Herr Esiq
Dirt Nap Squad
53
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:52:00 -
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Even though this happens to me as well, i still laugh at your misfortune OP..  |
FRONTAL LOBOTOMY
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:01:00 -
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people get mad when I cockblock with my ECM ship. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
816
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:04:00 -
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I'm still waiting for my web and damp drones to be as effective as ECM ones but they're such a crap....
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
549
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:09:00 -
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Shoddy killmails are why most of us are in high sec.
Yes OP, ECM is broken. It's RnG. RnG is junk math. 17% ECM and there you sit getting melted with no lock, 80% R&D and you end up with 1 in 5 copies. |
Karash Amerius
Sutoka
97
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:29:00 -
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What they should do is make the other EW drones viable for a change. The only choice of EW drones is the EC variants...and that is a sad thing.
Karash Amerius
Operative, Sutoka |
Andrea Griffin
485
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:42:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Actually, ECM drones are seriously underpowered compared to actual ECM modules. Not really. You can recall your drones and send them out after a failed jam. Also, though the ECM drones have a low strength, each individual drone has a chance to jam. It's that 5 chances that makes them strong.
Wouldn't be nearly so bad if the duration wasn't as long.
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
67
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Posted - 2013.06.15 05:40:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Actually, ECM drones are seriously underpowered compared to actual ECM modules. Not really. You can recall your drones and send them out after a failed jam. Also, though the ECM drones have a low strength, each individual drone has a chance to jam. It's that 5 chances that makes them strong. Wouldn't be nearly so bad if the duration wasn't as long.
Yes giving them a 4 sec stackable jam would be more balanced. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2890
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Posted - 2013.06.15 06:14:00 -
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CCP broke random() function. Oh no they didn't. |
Erutpar Ambient
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Black Core Alliance
33
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Posted - 2013.06.15 06:42:00 -
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What would really help would be to change the duration from a static 20 sec jam time to a 20sec * change to jam time. So if you had a 3% chance to be jammed, if you were successfully jammed it would last 0.6 seconds. That way if you do spend a billion isk on countering ECM you will feel the effects jammed or not. With enough Sensor strength ECM will just be a target breaker. |
Oggat
The Adam's Family
13
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Posted - 2013.06.15 06:44:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:CCP broke random() function. Oh no they didn't.
No, they didn't. Computers can't make random numbers. It's why spamming drones works. It's why the Falcon has multiple ECM modules. |
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Lucretia DeWinter
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
12
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Posted - 2013.06.15 08:15:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:What would really help would be to change the duration from a static 20 sec jam time to a 20sec * change to jam time. So if you had a 3% chance to be jammed, if you were successfully jammed it would last 0.6 seconds. That way if you do spend a billion isk on countering ECM you will feel the effects jammed or not. With enough Sensor strength ECM will just be a target breaker.
This.
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Erutpar Ambient
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Black Core Alliance
33
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Posted - 2013.06.15 08:51:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Erutpar Ambient wrote:What would really help would be to change the duration from a static 20 sec jam time to a 20sec * change to jam time. So if you had a 3% chance to be jammed, if you were successfully jammed it would last 0.6 seconds. That way if you do spend a billion isk on countering ECM you will feel the effects jammed or not. With enough Sensor strength ECM will just be a target breaker. This.
/thread too apparently ;p |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
66374
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Posted - 2013.06.15 08:52:00 -
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This is why my Drake has a Smartbomb.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
735
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Posted - 2013.06.15 09:05:00 -
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smartbomb
or
always have a web and a gun for drones...or own drones (being Gallente...)
also...HTFU you attack one guy with two chars and rant about being grilled?
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
191
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Posted - 2013.06.15 09:12:00 -
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Quick fix: fit smartbombs.
New CQ prototype |
Obunagawe
138
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Posted - 2013.06.15 09:13:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Actually, ECM drones are seriously underpowered compared to actual ECM modules. Not really. You can recall your drones and send them out after a failed jam. Also, though the ECM drones have a low strength, each individual drone has a chance to jam. It's that 5 chances that makes them strong. Wouldn't be nearly so bad if the duration wasn't as long.
No you can't. I take it you haven't actually played EVE since... 2011, was it, when they removed that? Try it now and you will get no jams, ever.
One way I've found to beat ECM drones is to orbit your target at about 30km with your MWD on and going at about 5000m/s. Then they don't catch up.
Alternatively bring smartbomb. I used a smartbomb Sleipnir at one time to great effect. It's a shame CCP decided that having two utility highs on things isn't good anymore - smartbomb/neut was a nice combo.
Drone vs drone doesn't work, the ECM drones won't die fast enough as there's 5 of them.
If you're in a frigate you can, theoretically, destroy them all with guns in the 20 second grace period after they engage you.
If you don't have a frigate, a very fast kiting ship, or a utility high... not much you can do. Your ship is obsolete for solo. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
67
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:50:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:Andrea Griffin wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Actually, ECM drones are seriously underpowered compared to actual ECM modules. Not really. You can recall your drones and send them out after a failed jam. Also, though the ECM drones have a low strength, each individual drone has a chance to jam. It's that 5 chances that makes them strong. Wouldn't be nearly so bad if the duration wasn't as long. No you can't. I take it you haven't actually played EVE since... 2011, was it, when they removed that? Try it now and you will get no jams, ever. One way I've found to beat ECM drones is to orbit your target at about 30km with your MWD on and going at about 5000m/s. Then they don't catch up. Alternatively bring smartbomb. I used a smartbomb Sleipnir at one time to great effect. It's a shame CCP decided that having two utility highs on things isn't good anymore - smartbomb/neut was a nice combo. Drone vs drone doesn't work, the ECM drones won't die fast enough as there's 5 of them. If you're in a frigate you can, theoretically, destroy them all with guns in the 20 second grace period after they engage you. If you don't have a frigate, a very fast kiting ship, or a utility high... not much you can do. Your ship is obsolete for solo.
Lol |
Julius Priscus
116
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Posted - 2013.06.15 11:07:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:Personal attack post has been deleted.
RULE 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
eish I got warnings but NOOOOO! I get banned lol
-»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
FDIC Agent
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
55
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Posted - 2013.06.29 22:02:00 -
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Lost another Brutix due to being perma jammed by light ECM drones. I managed to kill one of them, but the other four jammed me.
When will this be fixed? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2672
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Posted - 2013.06.29 22:12:00 -
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FDIC Agent wrote:
When will this be fixed?
Magic 8 ball says:
"Working as intended".
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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