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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:20:00 -
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 Originally by: blahblah21
to quote john belushi aka John 'Bluto' Blutarsky "Animal House"
"did we give up when germans bombed perl harbor?" "NO!"
well i hope the teachers where you go to school won¦t give up on you m8(especially the ones trying to teach you history and spelling)....
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Eyeshadow
ASCN a sleeping giant? ROFL
They have the numbers but not the balls.
The only time they get involved is when its someone elses war. They cant start their own crap, just stick their nose into other peoples doings, such as 5 v the north and BOB v IMP.
Get a clue moron.
Moron? Hmmm... Well, if you want to start calling people names, how does the label "War dodger" feel to you, Angelus?
BTW, can you fly a freighter?
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That must be why during your last contract against ASCN, you entered impass/feythabolis with something bigger than a dozen frigs how many times exactly? Oh.. wait.. once was it?
Yes. We only flew frigs down to Feyth. Rifters and Kestrels, mainly. And only once. We're terrified of 0.0 TBH.
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And how far did you get with that fleet? Not even past 68FT??
Not even that far. You personally pwned us.
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When will people wake up and realise the direction Eve is going? It's not about the small gangs anymore, the roaming gank squads or gate camps. Dreadnaughts, Titan's, POS, Outposts...etc.
Damn. What are we going to do?! 
BTW, if you feel so strongly about defending ASCN, why did you leave? 
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 14/11/2005 14:35:15
Angelus x, please report to IRC to receive my size 12 boot up your ass.
Kthx.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:32:00 -
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ASCN is suffering from TornSoul Syndrome.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:39:00 -
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This thread is so full of crap from every side that has posted... it should be renamed to the bull**** thread.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rhodry Amarrian
If you had a contract to say, defend one region, and it lasted 3 months and in that time you got 2 or 3 small fights, how long do you think it would be before your members got bored and went off to do other things?
Depends on the sitaution and the fights your talking about, number of intruding ships, reason for occupying a region and numerous other points. That said, if we had agreed and accepted such a contract through our contract discussion process we would do what we were hired to do, to the letter in consultation and discussion with our client as the contract evolved.
Originally by: Seleene & Angellus X
stuff
Sel, Angelus, throttle back, please. 
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:53:00 -
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I started reading, then i went back to start to see if Molle posted this one :) Alas 
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Tadis
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Posted - 2005.11.14 15:55:00 -
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Is a shame that Eve seems to be heading towards "he who has 100 ships over 50 ships wins". As most often the best fights are smaller gangs of 10-30 equally matched.
Much like the fight in U-Q the other day between SA/FIX V IRON/F.R.E.E and Tribal.
Gangs were about 30 each. Excellent fight, everyone giving props to each other on local afterwards, nice and friendly and most fun I've had in Eve for a long time.
In end Fix and SA won through, but the result was irrelevant, as even the loosing pilots were saying they enjoyed themselves.
More arranged PvP! Less blobs ;p Nobody wants to go home without a fight at the end of the day.
G/Iron V ASCN? yum ^^
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zarc
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Posted - 2005.11.14 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: blahblah21
ASCN is a sleeping giant and g/iron will just get burned.
Rofl...Thank you for cheering up my day!
I remember once reading that Xetic were a sleeping giant! And looked what happened to them.
Lets face it these guys are spineless!! When they started the war with 5 and Xetic they ran and created ASCN!! They will NAP anyone within 30 jumps and snipe all the other entitys from 100 jumps!
ASCN is a sleeping giant that will never wake up.
But thanks for the laugh
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.11.14 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 14/11/2005 14:35:15
Angelus x, please report to IRC to receive my size 12 boot up your ass.
Kthx.
dbp
pwned
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Atob
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Posted - 2005.11.14 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cowboy
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 14/11/2005 14:35:15
Angelus x, please report to IRC to receive my size 12 boot up your ass.
Kthx.
dbp
pwned
So, hes DBPreachers puppet, just as you are Seleenes. He's pwned you several times on the forum already.
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Danari
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Posted - 2005.11.14 16:49:00 -
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ASCN jumped into TR07 in 2 groups of roughly 50 with the expectation that the lag would sort itself out. The feeling was that it would be a good fight, G with smaller numbers but a good defensive position and if there's a rule of thumb I've seen in ASCN it's that we don't walk away from a good fight even if somewhat outnumbered. (Please don't smack this, I can document in detail a large number of excellent ASCN pvp engagements).
The G fleet flew to the north gate to meet the first group of 50, and so the 2nd group of 50 was committed. Basically 5 minutes later the 1st group of 50 was largely dead and as the 2nd group got control of their ships they had long been ordered to disengage as best they could.
The 2nd engagement was a G jumpin with a small/medium fleet of 20 or so into a similarly sized and equipped ASCN group. It was toe to toe for several minutes, both sides took a lot of losses but were the winners for the excellent fight and lag wasn't at all an issue.
It was a nearly smack-free day and I was impressed with the professionalism on both sides.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 14/11/2005 17:00:43
Originally by: Atob
Originally by: Cowboy
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 14/11/2005 14:35:15
Angelus x, please report to IRC to receive my size 12 boot up your ass.
Kthx.
dbp
pwned
So, hes DBPreachers puppet, just as you are Seleenes. He's pwned you several times on the forum already.
No-one is my "puppet".
Some of the newer members of RKK simply haven't been made aware of the responsibility that comes with posting on these forums when you have the Reikoku tag under your name.
RKK members are free to post what they want, when they want ... within reason.
Everyone can see that post was out of order and has been dealt with.
Now please get on with the topic at hand,
thanks,
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin
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richmond
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:05:00 -
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if ascn would like to speak to DDC where our intel came from DDC cor chat they ordered its pvp rotaion back to the south to and i qoute Kick g and iron from the south then they will return north after this has been done.
This was said after any agreement had been made by the leaders of the alliances that is the true reason why it was felt that ascn could not be trusted to keep to any aggreement.
When intel like this is given anyone in there right minds would take that as an act of war and hit back even without warning.
So plz sto saying all the stuff about backstabbing ect as until you know all the facts it is hard to make a judgment.
This is not meant as a flame or a trol im just relaying facts about the reasons behind this.
And as for the fight in tr07 yes we were outnumbered and yes we were at a gate but someone has to jump in but i will say lag was bad but bareable and it was a good fight and it was enjoyable.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 14/11/2005 17:14:22
As I pointed out earlier, the intel about DDC you are refering to was before AZN sniper fleet and was in motd for just about half a day.
If u really wanted to attack us because of that you would have changed the standings that day, instead u waited for the azn fleet to dissolve and our pvpers to go back to empire to figth nbsi, THEN three days after u had such intel you attacked us without warning shooting blu.
No Excuses.
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PirateShampoo
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: blahblah21
how long you think till G/Iron starts making excuses about leaving SA space?
they could of left SA as winners instead they attacked minners with pitch forks and will just look silly when they accomplish nothing.
ASCN is a sleeping giant and g/iron will just get burned.
to quote john belushi aka John 'Bluto' Blutarsky "Animal House"
"did we give up when germans bombed perl harbor?" "NO!"
Japan bomed pearl harbour u alt nub |
Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Cowboy on 14/11/2005 17:18:15
Originally by: Atob
Originally by: Cowboy
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 14/11/2005 14:35:15
Angelus x, please report to IRC to receive my size 12 boot up your ass.
Kthx.
dbp
pwned
So, hes DBPreachers puppet, just as you are Seleenes. He's pwned you several times on the forum already.
Damn, I see you fell idiot tree and hit every branch on the way down.
And yes i'm Sel's puppet, just like your a puppet of a coward hiding behind an alt.
Please if you have any issue with me feel free to contact me in game.
Now back to the original programming
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: blahblah21
how long you think till G/Iron starts making excuses about leaving SA space?
they could of left SA as winners instead they attacked minners with pitch forks and will just look silly when they accomplish nothing.
ASCN is a sleeping giant and g/iron will just get burned.
to quote john belushi aka John 'Bluto' Blutarsky "Animal House"
"did we give up when germans bombed perl harbor?" "NO!"
Oh my little boy, it wasnt germany that bombed pearl harbor.
Anyways could we plz stop the uber whineage and trolling from BOTH sides and start fighting?
Would be nice...
-G- Pink Power
Darko1107 > so play a fluffy game
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Would be nice...
Attacking us without warning wasnt nice either was it? 
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |
Darko1107
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Posted - 2005.11.14 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Darko1107 on 14/11/2005 17:39:00
Originally by: Trooper B99
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 14/11/2005 13:18:27
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 14/11/2005 13:17:29
Originally by: Darko1107
*snip* -Removed Flames -Garik
It was a quote from the film National Lampoons Animal House from the character John 'Bluto' Blutarsky played by Saturday Night Live's John Belushi. Its part of a "rousing" speech he tried to do while getting nearly everything he said wrong.
I researched that after, but still, posting then quoting from sum1 that gets everything wrong, to try and proove your right?
Still a R E T A R D.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:32:00 -
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Hello Seleene :)
Originally by: Seleene
Why is ASCN, specifically DDC, messing about in the North right now? Is [5] in need of saving from the Northern Hordes?
Boredom. As my poor corp mates know I was very bored these last few weeks with almost no targets to shoot, but in the space of 3 days whilst I am away at a uni reunion, I now have many again! Boy do things change fast. Sadly PvP for me and I imagine many others is our only source of fun in eve so in order to prevent the pvp'ers from looking to join in on wars with other entities, you have to keep them interested and trained so they can maintain 'their edge' and effectiveness. Whilst I am sure many would prefer a peace and stability in their own regions, it is in itself its own worse enemy for fun.
But as i said in my original post, attacking is much better than defending imo simply because if you take my example, Im a casual player nowadays who can at best fit in a couple of hours every other night, so babysitting a gate for that time waiting for some blob to arrive is not what I personally consider fun. What I like is being able to head into enemy territory and hunt on my own terms which I can do on my own timetable :)
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What still baffles me though is why ASCN continually involves themselves in other people's wars / affairs.
That certaintly is a very narrow view of the galactic political stage. Im sure Cyvok and the others who are actually involved in this stuff can say more about their own motives than a humble soldier in the trenches like me, politics are at play constantly in determining your allies and enemies and no war is as closed as A vs B. Even if there is not open aggression, you can bet that allies of A, may be helping them in other ways than open conflict much like in Civ 4 (which is sucking up my eve time atm). Importantly even if you consider it butting in other people's affairs, well they have that right such is the the nature of choice.
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If ASCN truly cares only about its 'home', why are they always jumping into situations on the other side of the map? This isnÆt a flame. IÆm serious. WTF is up with that? 
well thats just wrong from my perspective, ASCN has enemies, it is the fleets mandate to pursue those enemies and the politicians who decide who are our enemies. Yes ofc we care about home, but we care about carrying on a war against our enemies who would otherwise be building up forces against us elsewhere.
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Originally by: Hakera
People are obsessed with numbers. Who honestly thinks killing more ships than the other person actually has any lasting effect in eve? It doesn't,
It DOES matter, depending upon the nature of your opponent. BoB, Five and even MC have proven this time and time again. It's more about terror than number data, though.
To a lot of people, losses mean nothing and perhaps that is the correct attitude. However, a larger majority sees their ships and their friends ships exploding all around them night after night and that does wear morale down after a time. Enemy gangs get smaller, they refuse to undock, they go play Wow... whatever. The forums get filled with frustration, the in-fighting starts... we've seen it over and over again.
Well that depends on your objective, if it is simply to achieve kills and be paid for those kills than fair enough. However even if you inflict 1 billion worth of kills against an alliance, how long do you think it takes to recover that? How many of those ships you killed do you think actually will have affected the play of the people who flew them, baring in mind that ASCN's fleet are afaik 95% funded T1 disposable ships for the most part.
As for morale, well harder to judge, any pvp'er knows that if they undock in a ship, they could lose it in the next 30 seconds. We can accept that loss and get on with it. Most of us by now have significant funds and assets anyway which mean we can go on for several weeks without
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:32:00 -
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(continued)
needing to disengage and take time to get isk again, in most cases, people have several characters who can continously earn isk whilst your away fighting. So like I have said before, kills/losses are largely inmaterial. Morale, sure it can hurt when you lose, but imo since losing your ship is very easy, you tend to get used to it. Morale is more affected when you do a 'BoB' and physically invade a region and set up shop there. Not a random fleet visiting for a few hours, killing a few ships and going again, I mean 23/7 presence in the space preventing their industrialists from operating and cutting of their isk supplies + being under seige in such an effective way will defintly affect morale.
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As to there being no 'walls', that's going to change eventually.
Well, we'll see. No solution is easy when you bring timezones into play and the ability for enemy fleets to simply log off and on when they choose. IMO I would look for a solution that makes gates able to be protected like physical walls. Which could mean the ability to anchor a POS at a gate or simply having conquerable gates where you must have a sovereign station (XL POS which I think Oveur mentioned for the sovereignty changes to avoid the small POS sovereignty wars) in order to conquer the gate. Lastly I would say that within a sovereign system, a home fleet should recieve bonuses to numerous effects, these could be such things as an inability for an enemy fleet to hide midpace from them for eg with the use of s scanning tower from the XL pos as an example or the ability to have their own npc fleet much like the factions have in their sovereign systems which could be processed as a bill payable for npc defence by system.
Of course we are always limited by battle size, which is the big crunch in terms of defence. All things in eve point to bigger and bigger fleets being required but does Eve have the capacity to handle such notions of gigantic capital ship fleets and all their support? I think we all know the answer to that one presently.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:46:00 -
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I can't help myself when i see ASCN complaining about backstabbing....so i might as well make my alliance rich!
I want to offer a very profitable partnership to the G/Iron members. Contact NBSI for all your needs in knives.
We got hunting knives,butter knives,big butcher's cleavers,bowie knives,sharp knives,dull knives,and the always-handy swiss army knife EvE special edition (comes with 245 different blades, extra-small autocannons and a pulse laser with a bonus multispec crystal).
Order now and get premium discounts on our most expensive stuff,including the backstabber 4000 automatic gattling dagger,as well as the widowmaker supreme,a jovian engineered katana that can rip through the hulls of Batleships with unerring accuracy should you throw it out of your pod!
Special discounts available for G/Iron/Razor members
If launching a surprise attack against another alliance is backstabbing (i think it's just smart),what is to bring war upon your alliance and then separately nap the aggressors taking 2 regions for you?
People who have been flying together for a long time,or have been allies might have a reason to cry "backstab!" when sides change. An alliance that has a temporary cease fire with former enemies should be wary of surprise attacks, especially if they are themseleves known to plot and scheme behind the scenes. Failure to predict that one is just a sign of underestimating the enemy and deserves a spanking 
Good luck to G and Iron,hope we will see you in one of our road trips south 
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.11.14 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: blahblah21
how long you think till G/Iron starts making excuses about leaving SA space?
they could of left SA as winners instead they attacked minners with pitch forks and will just look silly when they accomplish nothing.
ASCN is a sleeping giant and g/iron will just get burned.
to quote john belushi aka John 'Bluto' Blutarsky "Animal House"
"did we give up when germans bombed perl harbor?" "NO!"
Oh my little boy, it wasnt germany that bombed pearl harbor.
Anyways could we plz stop the uber whineage and trolling from BOTH sides and start fighting?
Would be nice...
I think you missed the part where he was quoting a movie character about pearl harbor. 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 14/11/2005 19:12:14
Hakera, my respects for a very well thought out reply. Obviously as we are two very different type of players we see things in a different manner.
One thing I will offer is that the changes in the game coding that we saw demonstrated at FanFest should go a long way to letting the 100 ship blobs actually have a chance at defending thier space instead of just causing the game to look like a giant barrel of sludge. 
Good luck in the comming bloodbath! 
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Darkrydar
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: blahblah21
how long you think till G/Iron starts making excuses about leaving SA space?
they could of left SA as winners instead they attacked minners with pitch forks and will just look silly when they accomplish nothing.
ASCN is a sleeping giant and g/iron will just get burned.
to quote john belushi aka John 'Bluto' Blutarsky "Animal House"
"did we give up when germans bombed perl harbor?" "NO!"
Oh my little boy, it wasnt germany that bombed pearl harbor.
Anyways could we plz stop the uber whineage and trolling from BOTH sides and start fighting?
Would be nice...
I think you missed the part where he was quoting a movie character about pearl harbor.
doesnt matter, its total bull**** to post such a thing on forums
keep RL out of this
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Amthrianius on 14/11/2005 19:24:05
Soooooooooooo much smack from MC (Eyeshadow) to their ex-employers :|
Just because your alts got kicked out of ascn when you war decced them doesnt mean you have to be so, well, obsessive with ASCN.
And how are FTEK doing seleene?
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Lucre
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: richmond
if ascn would like to speak to DDC where our intel came from DDC cor chat they ordered its pvp rotaion back to the south to and i qoute Kick g and iron from the south then they will return north after this has been done.
This was said after any agreement had been made by the leaders of the alliances that is the true reason why it was felt that ascn could not be trusted to keep to any aggreement.
Ah, so let's see if I understand this. G/IRON had negotiated an agreement with (amongst others) ASCN that G/IRON would now leave the South. So ASCN were secretly planning a surprise attack ... in order to make G/IRON leave the South? And all whilst cleverly declaring a war on NBSI by way of a cover.
Uh-huh...
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.14 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 14/11/2005 19:57:09
Originally by: shivan
I've seen ASCN get over 100 PvP equiped BS into a fleet before in less than 30 minutes. So don't doubt how commited they are.
and I have seen the FA of old get well over twice that number in the same time. I have also seen what fighting does to an alliance built on a platform of carebears in a game environment with prosperous empire space.
This will all obviously hinge on how long G/IRON want to stay. If they are committed, ASCN's base will erode much much faster than people think. If they just get bored or disinterested ASCN will have enough staying power to emerge fine.
What will be interesting (for me) is how different a conflict with an entrenched alliance with outposts and conquerable stations will differ from the same situation with NPC stations. It will make a big difference (one way or the other) into the time scale neccesary for an invasions success.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.11.14 20:09:00 -
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Wow Asnd TS is very intresting tonight.
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