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Fazon Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:58:00 - [1] - Quote I'm new to the game and can't tell real difference in between Assault Frigs, Interceptors, and specialty frigs in the Pirate and Navy categories for the purposes of solo pvp. And then you have four different races to choose from. I realize that each weapon system and defense system has it's strengths and weakness along with different bonuses and resists. I also realize that many of those ships are designed to brawl other to kite. Of course we can't forget that one or the other would be vulnerable to such and such ECM. It seems like in EVE every ship has at least one if not several things that can turn it into a pile ash. But, at the end of the day which T2 frigate would survive and conquer against the most ships, or at least escape in about 90% of roaming scenarios? (Perhaps 70% of scenarios if that seems unwieldy)
Taoist Dragon No.1 Crazy Fighter Squadron Caldari State Capturing 455	Posted - 2013.06.13 00:57:00 - [2] - Quote TBH. Now more than ever the playing fleid is balanced. Litterally my advice is have a look at what races/weapons you like the idea/feel/looks of and trian them up and fly them. All races/weapons have frigs both T1 and T2 can do everything really. There is no 'best' in eve. just best for a specific task, and even then 50 people will give you 50 answers to that one as well. Fly what you like and stop worrying about 'best' and you'll enjoy eve more! That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything. We are recruiting CrAzY Pilots https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=235985&find=unread
Koby Kegrin Futurecraft Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.06.13 01:29:00 - [3] - Quote Well like he said /\ There is no best overall, there is a best at a certain job. Most t2 frigs are tied directly or indirectly to combat (PVE or PVP) I advise that you pick a ship that is best suited for you. Weather you like poking holes through people from afar or pulverizing them up close in personal. Star by choosing your preferred weapon system then I recommend a ship that is well rounded for most PVP situations.
Garresh Team Chicken and Waffles 271	Posted - 2013.06.13 08:31:00 - [4] - Quote Something to keep in mind: Interceptors are awful in current meta, except for dedicated tackle in fleet ops. Assault Ships, which are most likely the T2 ships you'll be flying, are the slowest ship type in the frig class. I say this because you mention being able to run. Truth is, most AFs are committed to any fight they engage. Some are a bit more slippery, like the Jag, but they're the exception not the rule. Here are my impressions of the current AF lineup, based on my experiences in solo PvP. Enyo: Ball-kickingly insane DPS and tank. Poor control. Unless you run a neut fit, you'll find it tends to lack control too much to solo. If facing TD fits, or kiters, you may find yourself screwed. Blasters aren't as weak as they once were, but if your weaknesses are exploited, you will be killed by cheaper ships. Your best bet is to try to hard burn to point blank range with neuts and try to kill them before they kill you. Alternatively, you can go for stupid tank, and just try to make TD and kite fits get bored and fly off. Not advisable though. The upside is that a nos Enyo is one of the best AFs for engage ships above it's class. Ishkur: Suffers from some of the same problems as the Enyo, but is significantly more flexible due to it's excellent damage projection. As a result of this, and it's partial cap-independence, it generally isn't as easy to control. You may pin it down, but no matter what you're flying, a large portion of that damage WILL get through. Has many of the same options of the Enyo. Wolf: A faster, less versatile, Enyo. Has 2 major schools of fitting. First is brawl fit. Second is kite fit. Brawl fits generally run mwd scram neut with heavy buffer, forgoing any feeble attempt at range control for the option to engage kite fits. OTOH, you can run nos with armor reps and put up a very impressive active tank. Cap-independent weapons means you aren't totally ****** if you get neuted, and the fact that once you're up close your mids are a nonfactor makes all brawl fittings basically immune to cap warfare. Kite fit generally runs arti, and focus on killing things from range with stupidly high alpha. The damage is insanely good, but TBH you will suffer in the current meta. Everyone else is kite fit with tracking disruptors, and they're faster than you. Jaguar: The embodiment of the minmatar assault frigate. Nothing about it particularly stands out, except for it's sheer versatility. This is a heavier rifter, with a 4/4/4 slot layout. Rather than listing what it can do, it's simply easier to list what you shouldn't do. You shouldn't armor tank it, due to it's resist profile, but it CAN be armor tanked. You shouldn't run kite fits, because the wolf is simply better here. I've never seen arti jags be successful in solo operations. Everything else is fair game. The ships is just stupidly versatile. It can fit a decently good tank, put out pretty good damage, and has enough room left over for whatever utility you see fit. It may not be the best AF(and it is generally outclassed), but if you want to fly in true minmatar style, look no further. Harpy: Take all the strengths of the Merlin. Now increase them. That's the harpy. Insanely good damage surprisingly good speed, and an impressive amount of tank. It even comes with a boost to hybrid range. This ship is very hard to control, and is damn terrifying in a brawl. You can even run rail fits on this thing. The one thing going against this is that the current meta is very TD heavy. It doesn't suffer anywhere near as bad as the Enyo, but I have personally seen Harpies fall to much cheaper TD fits. Be warned: people WILL exploit TDs against you, because everyone who isn't TD fit probably won't engage you. Hawk: If the Harpy is the Caldari Enyo, then the Hawk is the Caldari Ishkur. It's not a perfect metaphor, but the Hawk has a stupidly wide engagement profile. Between it's good damage, excellent projection, cap-independence, and absolutely stellar tank, there are few fights a hawk can't tank. Furthermore, with a whopping 5 mid slots, the Hawk has an insane amount of options. These things are scary. Unfortunately, my experience with Amarr Assault ships is limited, but I'll toss what i know. Retribution: This thing is like a punisher with more damage and Optimal. I hardly ever see these things out in low(tracking disruptors are not kind to them), but they can put out a lot of damage, and have great projection. Vengeance: The vengeance is similar to the hawk. The difference is that the vengenace trades the hawk's utility for even MORE tank. These are VERY tough nuts to crack, with rockets they will wear you down regardless of what you're using. The only real option vs these is kite fits, but then you'll never break it's incredible tank. This is not really the sort of ship you want to engage solo. But on the other hand, you'll rarely get fights in this thing. This Space Intentionally Left Blank
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 293	Posted - 2013.06.13 08:32:00 - [5] - Quote CCP did recently a good job in frigate balancing. There is no best frigate for all situations. However, once you know what your tactics for the solo fight is you can pick something which meets your tactics best. So what is the tactic you are intending?
l0rd carlos Friends Of Harassment 474	Posted - 2013.06.13 08:48:00 - [6] - Quote I suggest you fly T1 frigs before going into T2 ships. Even with all the money in the world, the best ship and the best fitting, you gonna loose alot of ships. If you get good at T1 frigs, you can decide for yourself what T2 ships you want to fly. @Garresh Tarnis ist still a good solo PvP Interceptor. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Zappity Kurved Space 125	Posted - 2013.06.13 10:50:00 - [7] - Quote The best T2 ship for a noob is a T1 ship. More expensive does not necessarily mean you will die less. A bigger ship definitely doesn't mean you will die less. The principles of PvP are best learnt in cheap ships. Don't forget faction T1 frigates too. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Froggy Storm Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 41	Posted - 2013.06.13 10:55:00 - [8] - Quote As above start with T1 frigs. Until you learn how to kite and slingshot, spiral and manual fly you will find frigs dying around you in high numbers. As a general rule the smaller the ship class the more technical the fighting style and the smaller the margin for error. Start with the fact that most frig fights are done with in a very short period of time. This time frame of typically 1-3min is all there is to get to the correct range, tackle, and break the opponent's tank. Now if this is two brawlers who want to be point blank then it mostly comes down to a DPS:Tank ratio. But if it is a kiter vs brawler both have different tactics to keep or close the distance. Not sure really with two kiters as I have never really seen it. It might be like deciding by zero for all I know and the universe inverts. I imagine though they flirt with each other until one has enough and then since (likely) they are already at the edge of point range a little bit of extra effort and they disengage
Zappity Kurved Space 125	Posted - 2013.06.13 11:02:00 - [9] - Quote Ha! The last Executioner I came across lasted 17 seconds (but he was a noob). 3 minutes? Maybe against a brick Punisher but I've never met one that bad. As Froggy said, the fast pace of frigate fights leaves little room for error. If you get good with frigates you will tend to be good in larger ships. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 704	Posted - 2013.06.13 11:47:00 - [10] - Quote Zappity wrote: ...As Froggy said, the fast pace of frigate fights leaves little room for error. If you get good with frigates you will tend to be good in larger ships. Hilariously the opposite is not true, love meeting someone who has spent most of his time in larger hulls, flying a frigate (noobs with 50M+ SP ) .. still remember the first several deaths I had in frigs, quite the 'WTF!?! just happened' moments as they are almost literally over in a heartbeat.
Lumadane Caldari Provisions Caldari State 6	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:51:00 - [11] - Quote Garresh wrote: I see you mention the acronym "TD" several times. I know as soon as I'm told I'll recognize what it is, but since I can't for the life of me remember... What does "TD" stand for?
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 293	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:03:00 - [12] - Quote Lumadane wrote: Garresh wrote: I see you mention the acronym "TD" several times. I know as soon as I'm told I'll recognize what it is, but since I can't for the life of me remember... What does "TD" stand for? TD = Tracking Disruptor
Froggy Storm Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 41	Posted - 2013.06.13 14:56:00 - [13] - Quote I was being generous with 3 min for sure. It would be way outside of the norm to expect that much time most of the time. Heck by most measures (assuming competent pilots) a frig fight is decided if not finished withing the opening moments. While I love frig fights I am pretty terrible at actually conducting them. I just can't get quick enough to compete outside of abstract discussions. I say that to remind the OP that to get good, unless you are a prodigy, no amount of on paper training or controlled practice will make up for getting a frig burned out from under you. So fly cheap fly often and fly dangerous to improve.
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 3355	Posted - 2013.06.13 15:33:00 - [14] - Quote If you want survivability in solo, your best bet are fast kiting ships since they have the potential to disengage from a fight and get out alive. They tend to lack in dps but unlike brawling ships they are not committed to fights. I personally get bored flying them because I consider them to have a limited engagement range and find the play-style unchallenging and predictable, when I get a fight I can handle. They CAN be fun because you can engage larger numbers more easily and pick off the weak but I find being able to do the same in a BRAWL ship (close range, web and scram) more satisfying. That said, for tech II or faction you should look at the Wolf or Slicer, both are excellent long range ships. For tech I at the moment, which are currently buffed to the point where they are more or less as good as if not better than tech II.... the condor is laughably overpowered, as are a few others. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Princess Nexxala Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 402	Posted - 2013.06.13 17:16:00 - [15] - Quote Start with determining your preferred tactic (kite, brawl, etc) Then pick an appropriate ship that excels at that tactic. http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com We are recruiting - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1823364&#post1823364
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1015	Posted - 2013.06.13 18:02:00 - [16] - Quote Veng/Hawk/Enyo>Harpy/wolf>Retri/ishkur>Jaguar BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
Skelee VI Wraithguard. BricK sQuAD. 29	Posted - 2013.06.13 18:39:00 - [17] - Quote I like using the Jaguar and Retribution for solo AF. I also like the Dramiel and Daredevil
Franklin Wu Canton Tigers 1	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:42:00 - [18] - Quote even though i'm a noob too, I can say that there's no BEST ship in the game. (If there were, no one would ever fly anything else, and that would just make no sense for a game like this). There MIGHT be a best ship for a specific purpose, and you'd have to know what your purpose was in order to determine what the BETTER ship might be.
JAF Anders Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 115	Posted - 2013.06.13 19:54:00 - [19] - Quote Fazon Risalo wrote: I'm new to the game Fly T1 and be aware of the T2 meta. Explore, experiment, enjoy. Move to T2 when your comfort, your bank account, and your target are in position.
Zyress Sons of Retribution 139	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:20:00 - [20] - Quote For solo pvp you want a trick the other guy can't answer. An electronic attack frigate. Any of them .
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 2007	Posted - 2013.06.15 00:27:00 - [21] - Quote Kitsune
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords 106	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:07:00 - [22] - Quote Screw the Kitsune. The Griffin can do the same for a much cheaper price. IMO, the 2 best Electronic Attack ships in the game are the Keres and the Sentinel. Keres for long point, and the Sentinel for neuts, TDs, and drones.
Major Killz Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 213	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:12:00 - [23] - Quote Close Range: 1) Hawk 2) Vengeance 3) Ishkur 4) Harpy 5) Enyo 6) Jaguar Long range: 1) Harpy 2) Retribution 3) Enyo 4) Wolf 5) Jaguar I tried the Light Missile-Hawk after the AF-changes but the others above are superior except for the Jaguar. Mind you, there is an Ancillary shield booster-Light Missile-Hawk that's annoying. I have also seen it done with A-type medium boosters with links and what not. Anyway. The ones I prefer above all the others is the Vengeance, Hawk or Harpy solo AND Wolf when flying with another Wolf. - killz - killz My Vimeo Channel: http://vimeo.com/kdsalm My Youtube Channel: www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon
Plato Forko Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 19	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:11:00 - [24] - Quote AFs are a poor choice for a solo ship (and I'm really fond of the Jag, the damn thing). They're significantly tankier and/or gankier than T1 frigs (and slower) and still tankier and more agile than most destroyers so really it's tough to get anything smaller than a cruiser to stick around for a duel. The best option would be to kite and deal with T1 frig gangs who see you as a juicy target but you'll squeeze better DPS out of a kiting dessie for less money so there's really no point spending more on a T2 frig for that role.
Feffri Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 33	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:52:00 - [25] - Quote Honestly if you are solo imo, just fly kity condor or breacher with light missiles and td's. It's the i win button/fotm. They are fast enough that you can burst into plexes and mwd out of range before lock. Then just orbit and kill and never take any damage. if you are going for brawling then just use a destroyer it's cheaper and can go everywhere and do anything most af's can do.. outside of maybe hawk which can tank the damage from 5 ships. However in a hawk you will never get a solo fight unless someone is just bored or doesn't know what a hawk is. Also most destroyers are as fast or faster than af's. Pretty much most people if they are not in a kity condor or breacher they just fit 10mn afterburner to their thrasher with arties long point and web and almost no solo ship dessie or down can beat a 10mn ab arty thrasher.. Also don't forget your loki boost when you fly these ships as it makes it especially impossible for you to die.
Major Killz YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 215	Posted - 2013.06.17 02:14:00 - [26] - Quote Plato Forko wrote: AFs are a poor choice for a solo ship (and I'm really fond of the Jag, the damn thing). They're significantly tankier and/or gankier than T1 frigs (and slower) and still tankier and more agile than most destroyers so really it's tough to get anything smaller than a cruiser to stick around for a duel. The best option would be to kite and deal with T1 frig gangs who see you as a juicy target but you'll squeeze better DPS out of a kiting dessie for less money so there's really no point spending more on a T2 frig for that role. I make that argument to new pilots a lot. Most of what I do with an assault frigate can be done with a destroyer. However I do enjoy flying certain assault frigates. However I am tired of losing assault frigates. For each one I lose I can fit 2 to 3 destroyers. - killz My Vimeo Channel: http://vimeo.com/kdsalm My Youtube Channel: www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1017	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:27:00 - [27] - Quote Plato Forko wrote: AFs are a poor choice for a solo ship (and I'm really fond of the Jag, the damn thing). They're significantly tankier and/or gankier than T1 frigs (and slower) and still tankier and more agile than most destroyers so really it's tough to get anything smaller than a cruiser to stick around for a duel. The best option would be to kite and deal with T1 frig gangs who see you as a juicy target but you'll squeeze better DPS out of a kiting dessie for less money so there's really no point spending more on a T2 frig for that role. Yea i dont' really bother using AF's these days.. Everything runs from you basically. Except double damp condors... BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
Edah Puss State War Academy Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.06.17 23:40:00 - [28] - Quote Franklin Wu wrote: I can say that there's no BEST ship in the game. Im sorry, but I just simply cannot allow this to go un-answered, as it is completely WRONG. There IS a "best" ship in EvE: The BEST ship in EvE is Friendship. It is known.
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 416	Posted - 2013.06.18 00:09:00 - [29] - Quote Edah Puss wrote: Franklin Wu wrote: I can say that there's no BEST ship in the game. Im sorry, but I just simply cannot allow this to go un-answered, as it is completely WRONG. There IS a "best" ship in EvE: The BEST ship in EvE is Friendship. It is known. Damn - the secret is out. Fix this **** See Sea Pea.
Cearain Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 970	Posted - 2013.06.19 18:26:00 - [30] - Quote I like the ishkur. They insure ok so I don't think they are that much more expensive than a destroyer given the number of guns you have to fit to a destroyer. You should be able to have good chances against just about any other ship that can enter a small plex and you may be able to fight 2 or 3 t1 frigates - except the linked sensor boosted variety. But those are not really fightable in most fits anyway. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

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