1 vengeance.
2 everything else
3 if you want shields, hawk. or close harpy

you cannot loose in a vengeance against another assault ship in scram range, period.

Anything is possible

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19835712

Vengeance is pretty good but everyone will know what you are all about. Tank and likely bait. I imagine they are fun ships if you can get a group of t1 frigtates who are willing to thow their firepower against your brick wall. notice the pods on this killmail:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17601513
It probably would have killed us if another 3rd party didn't jump in.


But you probably won't be able to keep tackle on anyone with a brain. Ishkur is more versatile.

You killed a shitfit Vengeance - that doesn't really say anything. It doesn't have any more trouble keeping tackle on stuff any more than any other trimark'd and plated AF. Only true with the bad-but-all-too-common cap-boosted dual-rep fit.

Btw. I am wondering why the minnies are so happy?!
I mean amarrians broke them, went for a break, still didn-¦t come back completely, could go tier 2 but are too bored and wealthy from tier4 to do it and although 40% of amarr militia is still taking a break minnies even can-¦t manage Tier4^^
Really no clue why the minnies are happy.
Minmatar militia was maybe most powerfull or on equal with amarr in january/february and after inferno.
But actually it is almost on caldari and gallente level (although I have to admit caldari seem to recover a bit now because they were a complete mess).
Come on mice. Cat is sleeping ;)

Minnies are happy because they don't really care about LP and tiers. They expulsed the storm of farmers just to find out that they seem also expulsed all worthwile Amarr war targets. So instead of sitting around and dying from boredom they go to Amarr and Caldari High Sec to kill them in their home worlds. This is a lot of fun.

On topic: I believe Hawk is better than Veng^^

The best T2 ship for a noob is a T1 ship.

Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.

Yes, please fly ships with no tank. Especially wolves, thanks.

Don't listen to this guy. Please come to Nisuwa with that fit and own the FW noobs that fly around the area.

I regularly run my LM hookbills with no tank now too.
It's been more successful at crashing plexes and winning more often since removing the MSB and lowering the sig radius.

Also - Shield modules take up a valuable 'tear module' spot (like ECM, Damps, and TD's).

Yes, but there's a big difference:

Wolf's tear module slots: 2
Hookbill's tear module slots: 5

And taking that analysis a step further after you take the mandatory prop mod + point.

Wolf's tear module slots: 0
Hookbill's tear module slots: 3

Also, hookbill is still OP :)

Shhhhhh. Hooky is fine. Balanced and stuff.

You do realize that the arty Wolf benefits from the fact that it doesn't get hit, right? It's like any other kiting ship. You don't engage things with more range than you, and you are always ready to gtfo. The difference is that the Wolf puts out sick dps for a frig kiter, whereas most other AFs cannot do this. It's kind of like the DC tanked kite Stabber. It will completely ruin any brawler cruiser, except maybe the Vexor, and that's just because Vexor drones are annoying. However, the Vex is too slow to ever actually catch the Stabber if he wants to gtfo, so long as he isn't dumb enough to get in web range.

You know that only the noobs and newbies of amarr mili go highsec?
This toon was maybe 2 or 3 times (and only travelling through) in high sec this year. All you get in highsec are noobkills.
And most amarr militia core members also can-¦t go highsec any more but that is another issue^^

On topic: I believe Hawk is better than Veng^^

I'm new to the game and can't tell real difference in between Assault Frigs, Interceptors, and specialty frigs in the Pirate and Navy categories for the purposes of solo pvp. And then you have four different races to choose from.

I realize that each weapon system and defense system has it's strengths and weakness along with different bonuses and resists. I also realize that many of those ships are designed to brawl other to kite. Of course we can't forget that one or the other would be vulnerable to such and such ECM. It seems like in EVE every ship has at least one if not several things that can turn it into a pile ash.

But, at the end of the day which T2 frigate would survive and conquer against the most ships, or at least escape in about 90% of roaming scenarios? (Perhaps 70% of scenarios if that seems unwieldy)

Shhhhhh. Hooky is fine. Balanced and stuff.

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