| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
BadSeamus
Chaos Army
6
   |
Posted - 2013.06.14 10:12:00 -
[31] - Quote
Streaming deployment systems for intel is part of the meta game. If you were smart you'd use it to your advantage and spread misinformation through it :) The fact that the technology exists outside the game, and CCP are bringing it (partly) inside the game should be applauded, not whined at.
Can you imagine fighting a war without an intelligence department...? Why do you want to believe capsuleers wouldn't have 'eyes on the enemy'? Intelligence and info are part of warfare - the person with the least, usually lo(oo)ses,
Of course there are plenty of people that hate the meta game. But eh, Eve is probably not for you.
One thing I want is for the streaming to be in my CQ. I want to be able to watch the AT in my CQ, sat on my couch, drinking space-quafe and smoking space-weed. Being able to flick through twitch channels on my CQ telly would finally give me a reason to get out of my pod.
SK |
Endeavour Starfleet
858
|
Posted - 2013.06.14 19:54:00 -
[32] - Quote
They would have to also find a way to program in the feed playing ads. That would really break the immersion you are trying to achieve by watching in the CQs in my opinion. |
Zircon Dasher
228
|
Posted - 2013.06.14 20:55:00 -
[33] - Quote
Remember how people use to ask for a video/overview feed to be piped into station.... and how people LOVED (no sarcasm) idea? Google will refresh your memory if not.
Nice of CCP to finally get around to player requested features!
also: lol
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Endeavour Starfleet
858
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 14:02:00 -
[34] - Quote
Again the issue with any kind of "Twitch tv or other video site to Station or Captain's quarters" Is that they would have to implement the way those sites serve ads. Not exactly easy (The site itself uses flash) Also they would have to implement an H264 decoder. (As it is a commercial game they would have to get a license to do this from the MPEG)
CCP any response to my question earlier? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1079
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 14:27:00 -
[35] - Quote
This is really good news.
Hoping we can stream without the clunky UI or with custom UI's too.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Steve WingYip
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp
Panda Cave
1097
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 15:16:00 -
[36] - Quote
Zxays wrote:What's next? -Facebook and Twitter integretion? The EVE-Client then twitters and facefarts how many boring hours you spent mining veldspar?
I may sound bitter, but I despise this social media crap.
EDIT: Oh... and what if google suddenly decides to massively push "google hangouts" and twitch.tv goes the way of the dodo like own3d did?
To be fair, most people have Twitch in the background watching other E-sports streams anyway. I personally welcome this. I would not welcome twitter or facebook because they are not gaming sites. However, twitch is a pure gaming site and what harm could come from this? |
Endeavour Starfleet
861
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 15:30:00 -
[37] - Quote
Well the "harm" would be an ingame one due to the current abilities of the cloaking series of modules. If those could be addressed so that it is no longer really an option to go AFK for an extended period of time in an enemy system then yes more Twitch.TV would be great for the game in my opinion. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
267
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 15:43:00 -
[38] - Quote
Zxays wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:I don't think you understand what they are likely talking about there. The reason is because probably none of the people posting here so far ever streamed anything on Twitch.
1) There's probably a reason why most people here have not streamed anything yet. -Not everybody that has a wheener wants to show it to everyone he/she knows and/or doesn't know. 2) There is more than enough crappy content on the internets. I don't think we need more crappy content from people that are to effing stupid to install, setup and use XSPLIT/OBS. *AND SOME OTHER STUFF*
1: Yeah, well, I heard some rumors about certain large alliances posting their actual wheeners.
2: If they really want to, they can learn to install XSPLIT/OBS quite quickly.
On the content note, there are many things you can do. Crappy stuff, good stuff.
Look at YT: Day of Darkness II, The three "Clear Skies" machinimas. They are excellent works. That all took a lot of time to produce.
There are very well made Alliance ads on YT. etc.
There is also a truckload of crap EVE videos, with people showing off their oh-so-brave kills. All fine. Don't watch them. Be selective.
The thing is YT, Twitch, Vimeo, Wordpress, Flickr, Amazon (self-published EBooks) etc give all us the ability to produce very easily. They cannot give all of us the talent or time. So there will always be a lot of crap. And there will always be something mediocre and some few masterpieces.
If you want to go back to the days where you had to beg someone to pleeease consider your book, music, video in their publishing house/label/TV station you are either a music producer with nostalgic remembrance of free favors given or you are a very much anachronistic example citizen of our confused global world (like myself... ;)).
Back on topic:
I don't see many reasons to stream normal gameplay on Twitch.tv either. Mostly I use it sometimes when I play Blood Bowl or Guns of Icarus Online, and then only for select games. But others might e.g. create an EVE News Channel, or sell a password to others for certain intelligence service (Twitch allows for passworded channels) etc.
In short, like anything else, there will be smart uses for it and dumb uses for it.
As far as twitter goes: It has it uses.
Facebook: I personally hate it so much, I would be banned from the forum if I gave my opinion on FB.
Just to show you I'm not comfortable with all forms of "social media" either.
Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com
My EVE YouTube Vids (most recent):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2alSWxXQbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEzNNYSlDE |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
623
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 16:51:00 -
[39] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:I don't think you understand what they are likely talking about there. The reason is because probably none of the people posting here so far ever streamed anything on Twitch.
There is a number of games that has direct support from Twitch. Meaning, you can stream them directly without the use of e.g. XSPLIT.
If that's the case, I support this addition as long as the technical side doesn't cause any problems (e.g. wasted resources, performance etc.). |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
269
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 17:07:00 -
[40] - Quote
Amarra Mandalin wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:I don't think you understand what they are likely talking about there. The reason is because probably none of the people posting here so far ever streamed anything on Twitch.
There is a number of games that has direct support from Twitch. Meaning, you can stream them directly without the use of e.g. XSPLIT.
If that's the case, I support this addition as long as the technical side doesn't cause any problems (e.g. wasted resources, performance etc.).
There will be, but on the client side. You need a computer fast enough and enough bandwidth to handle it.
You can scale it down of course. But as an example, the computer I'm playing EVE on is a 2 years old HP Media computer atm. So truly not state of the art. My internet connection is fast and has a decent upload rate, but it is not exactly a semi-industrial line.
I think most people will be fine. If you work with a 56K modem out of a trailer, you will not.
And of course all that only applies when you turn streaming on. (You should also make sure you check how much bandwidth you use per hour or so, unless you have an ISP that gives you unlimited bandwidth.)
For me, streaming 3 hours in decent HD quality using XSPLIT and Twitch.tv costs me about 1gig of my monthly allowance.
I never tried with EVE to be honest, but e.g. Guns of Icarus Online. And I could of course downtune it a lot. And still get good results.
When I record EVE with FRAPS though, which uses a much larger uncompressed format, I don't feel any impact on the game at all. (With FRAPS of course you don't have to worry about bandwidth, you are just recording... But the impact on your local hardware is harsher.)
Guess the answer would be: You can either use it, you can use it in a limited way. Or you try and never touch that button again afterwards. (Or upgrade...). Still, as said, I think for most it will work fine, unless they have very restrictive ISP or use antique hardware.)
Actually, I think I'll test an EVE Stream one of these days and see what I get out of it.
Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com
My EVE YouTube Vids (most recent):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2alSWxXQbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEzNNYSlDE |
|
|
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
625
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 17:21:00 -
[41] - Quote
Aidan Brooder wrote:
I think most people will be fine. If you work with a 56K modem out of a trailer, you will not.
LOL -- Thanks for the into.
You mentioned FRAPS -- you might check out Action!
I'm rather green with this stuff but hated converting the former and am having success with the later to include with large scale Mount & Blade battles.
There is a free trial as well. I really like it but I'm a casual user so there may be things about it FRAPs people don't like.
My PC should be OK, the CPU was really made for this kinda stuff (AMD 8350 FX) -- my dated (but decent) graphics card hopefully won't be as much an issue and I need more RAM anyway. I"m not sure about my ISP -- 10Mbps d/l -- 1.5 upload -- (the best I can get where I live) not sure about limits. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1179
|
Posted - 2013.06.15 18:41:00 -
[42] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There needs to be a change before this feature goes in. CCP will you please comment on this?
Twitch.tv is awesome and has revolutionized the way gaming is enjoyed in my opinion. If I am considering purchasing a game I can ask the host live about his experiences with the game he is broadcasting and this is helping to protect consumers from bad games.
However, EVE is different. And a glaring overpowered series of modules (my opinion and yes it is not considered an exploit by CCP) Can turn this good idea into yet another way for one group to get an advantage over a smaller group.
Yes what I am speaking of is the ability to go away from the computer while cloaked. If you go to Twitch.tv and the EVE section you will notice quite a few of the top streams are providing intel on systems with no real possibility to remove the person broadcasting from the area. And even if they could. The low cost of the module and ship to use it will mean they can simply return when the time is right.
CCP please answer this. Is this what you want to see happen with your Twitch SDK? If not. Will you finally take this time to address the ability to remain away from the client while cloaked?
Right, because this kind of usage isn't available is any other form for a myriad of other live stream content provides or softwares (VLC). So, absolutely, this will ruin the game once Twitch is integrated. 
My concern is CCP doesn't have a good track record deploying revolutionizing features.....WiS anyone? How badly is it going to affect game performance? What happens when Twitch goes under? And will is create a condition of streaming exclusivity to Twitch by design and/or performance impact when utilizing third party streaming?
HTFU!...for the children! |
Endeavour Starfleet
882
|
Posted - 2013.06.17 20:02:00 -
[43] - Quote
The question is Do they intend for this to happen? Or will there finally be a change in the cloaking modules to address the ability to go away from the client while cloaked? Of course it is happening now. The most popular streams don't even show gameplay. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4277
|
Posted - 2013.06.17 20:11:00 -
[44] - Quote
I don't really think this makes much difference... perhaps a few seconds are saved by not having to tell someone else what is happening in the target system, they can see it for themselves. Since your spy will be on voice coms anyway, that's not much of an advantage.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Endeavour Starfleet
882
|
Posted - 2013.06.17 20:13:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I don't really think this makes much difference... perhaps a few seconds are saved by not having to tell someone else what is happening in the target system, they can see it for themselves. Since your spy will be on voice coms anyway, that's not much of an advantage.
What if your spy wants to go on a date? Or to school? No problem just activate cloak and you are good to go for intel. Now you don't even have to install Open Broadcaster!
Point is. It will and IS happening now. What I want to know from CCP. Is this REALLY what you want? Or you will finally take the time to do something about it? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4277
|
Posted - 2013.06.17 20:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I don't really think this makes much difference... perhaps a few seconds are saved by not having to tell someone else what is happening in the target system, they can see it for themselves. Since your spy will be on voice coms anyway, that's not much of an advantage. What if your spy wants to go on a date? Or to school? No problem just activate cloak and you are good to go for intel. Now you don't even have to install Open Broadcaster! Point is. It will and IS happening now. What I want to know from CCP. Is this REALLY what you want? Or you will finally take the time to do something about it?
If your spy wants to go on a date, use one of the thousands of other alt spys you have at your disposal (speaking on an alliance level). Spy alts are a dime a dozen.
This is simply one more way to achieve the same end, and still takes one account dedicated to sitting in that system.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |