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algorythm	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:40:00 - [1] Hi, would like to make this a place where all we vote on witch one is the worst Battleship of the moment. I would vote for the Typhoon Points for this vote: Crappy powergrid 4 Guns + 4 Missile points = no versatility Completely absurd bonuses, with only 4 guns and you get bonus for range and speed of guns. Quote: The Typhoon class battleship has an unusually strong structural integrity for a Minmatar ship. Base, it has 3975 Structure and 3500 armor, the Tempest has 4250 Structure and 3975 armor, so where has the unusually strong structural integrity gone? __________________________ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein
Gronsak	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:57:00 - [2] although never flown a typhoon myself i can actually see it being a good ship fit it for extream sniping, with 7 dmg mods, 4 1400s t2, 3 sensor boosters and 1 tracking comp this may seem lame compaired to the tempest, but its range will be 50% more , and also the dmg mod should be bigger with 7 dmg mods insted of 4 but main thing to note, at say 150km, the typhoon can fit ammo that does more dmg, because of this it would i assume compaire with the tempest at 100km+ and can beat it for all out range. with its last 4 highslots going to what ever u like, id recomend 2 heavy neuts just incase somehing gets close thinking of a specific example, 10 typhoons vs 10 other bs + support, the typhoons warp in at 240km, snipe away at the support and then the BS no other bs can meet the typhoons extream range
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:06:00 - [3] Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 14/11/2005 17:07:53 I dont understand why more people dont use the 'phoon as a sniper platfrom. Especially since its the only battleship with a range bonus. something along the lines of: 4x 1400mm2 howies 2x Tracking Comps 2 2x Sensor Booster 2 7x Gyrostab2s I did the math, and this setup will fit, although it would require adv. weapon upgrades 5, electronics 5, and engineering 5. Grid 12500mw base, 15625 with Enginneeing 5 CPU 600tf base, 750 with electronics 5 4x 1400mm2s with adv. weapon upgrades 5 = 12872mw the rest fits easily Lieutenant, Deputy Chief of Security Channel: CAINCOM
algorythm	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:13:00 - [4] Edited by: algorythm on 14/11/2005 17:15:59 Hello? 4 guns? Crap damage? Cant kill anything with even 7 damage mods? And do you have to have adv. weapons upgrades lvl5 on other bs to get a regular fitting in it? Anyway, is there a BS worse then typhoon? Post here if you think so, and witch one, and why. __________________________ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein
Altar Mei	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:19:00 - [5] TYPHOON While it's not useless there's no doubt the tempst does everything better, with exception to the number of drones you can field. I like the phoon but it's really just and oversized BC.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:19:00 - [6] yeah phoon is a cruiser which costs 70million isk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscription canceled
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:21:00 - [7] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 14/11/2005 17:21:16 Originally by: algorythm Edited by: algorythm on 14/11/2005 17:15:59And do you have to have adv. weapons upgrades lvl5 on other bs to get a regular fitting in it? You haven't ever flown a Gallente ship have you? Not only are we constanly tight on the grid department, we are also tight on the cpu department.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:22:00 - [8] Tight on the CPU? Not my frogs. Friends Forever
Leitari	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:22:00 - [9] Edited by: Leitari on 14/11/2005 17:22:36 7 damage mods will be utterly useless after the RMR patch. The Tempest is a much better sniper platform.
Raid	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:28:00 - [10] The Typhoon definetly... Most people i have seen with the Typhoon go with either a 1200mm sniper setup or 4 launchers and 4 nos. Given the bonus's the ship gets its rather useless... Why fly a Typhoon when you can get a tempest that does th same thing but much better. IMO the way to make the Typhoon useful again would be to switch is bonus's.. Any sugestions on better bonus's for the Typhoon?
TheMoog	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:29:00 - [11] The Typhoon is far from useless. The sniper setup is really the best one to use with 1400s. The other 4 Hi can serve tu put anti-frigs mods, put a web, a large rep T2 and you got a very versatile ship that can deal a good load of damage (around 2000 in a single volley if lucky) at long range, while keeping the tacklers away and a good tank. And never underestimate the power of 8 Ogre !
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:30:00 - [12] typhoon is a good old ship could do with a nos bonus thou i think that would probs balance it a bit better since dommi has drones for the support typoon cant field any extra it can meerly hold. Autocannons are the way to go on a typhoon its much faster then the tempest so that makes it good for legging it plus the 7 low slots make it a very good armor tanking with a few nos. The range bonus is pretty naff thou.
Hukka	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:31:00 - [13] dont forget phoon drone bay
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:32:00 - [14] Originally by: algorythm Edited by: algorythm on 14/11/2005 17:15:59 And do you have to have adv. weapons upgrades lvl5 on other bs to get a regular fitting in it? Torp Raven comes to mind But seriously, I see your point. The Typhoon, while not entitrely useless, is the least used Battleship in the game. It could use some love. More turret slots for starters, more grid, and maybe some more armor/hull Honestly though, im thinking of buying a 'phoon. Im in the process of training up Projectiles I think ill try the setup I posted above along with 4x assault launchers and use it for complexes /missions Lieutenant, Deputy Chief of Security Channel: CAINCOM
Vishnej	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:36:00 - [15] The typhoon definitely gets the vote, HOWEVER: Its failure to be useless, and the struggle to pick a runner up, demonstrates the relatively good balancing the battleships have right now. I think that tier 3 BS run the risk of screwing that up. ---------------------------- T2 Destroyers: a proposal Requested Changes: An alphabet's worth
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:37:00 - [16] Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Weirda	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:47:00 - [17] Originally by: algorythm Hello? 4 guns? Crap damage? Cant kill anything with even 7 damage mods? while weirda can see your point, phoon is far from crap... the above is the last way that you would ever make it work from you. even without a nosphoon setup it is a dangerous killer. in answer to you question... there IS no worst BS anymore then there is a BEST (which there isn't). there is definatley a best BS for fitting gank (as you listed) - but it is not the phoon. -- Thread Killer (attempt to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1 -- failed) <END TRANSMISSION>
Megadon	Posted - 2005.11.14 17:58:00 - [18] Edited by: Megadon on 14/11/2005 17:59:49 I always thought the phoon would be a very good extreme close range killer because of it's huge drone bay and it can armor tank really well. Something like 4 cruise launchers and 4 heavy nos's, get in very close and let loose the drones. or maybe 4 autocannon 425's
Knoppaz	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:01:00 - [19] What about 4x 800mm + 4x Siegelauncher plus a big AB/MWD in mid and a few Nanofibers in low? ___________________
algorythm	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:05:00 - [20] Edited by: algorythm on 14/11/2005 18:06:01 Originally by: Dionysus Davinci Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 14/11/2005 17:21:16 Originally by: algorythm Edited by: algorythm on 14/11/2005 17:15:59And do you have to have adv. weapons upgrades lvl5 on other bs to get a regular fitting in it? You haven't ever flown a Gallente ship have you? Not only are we constanly tight on the grid department, we are also tight on the cpu department. My second account is gallente, I Get 7 425s II and 7 dmg mods fitted in, I Get 425s II and a awesome npc tank, I can make a Blasterthron, I can get a Dominix with 13 Drones out with a fair ammount of heavy NOS plus uber tanking. I think Gallente and Amarr are the two most powerfull races atm, when it comes to instant damage, if you got the minimum skills. __________________________ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:06:00 - [21] Typhoon is absolutely awful. Just cos some people can kill things flying one, doesnt mean it's good. It just means that the pilot in it is good, and the opponent isnt. But still, 4/4 slot setup, awful stats even for a low tier battleship, and the most absurdly bad bonuses ever.... I dont think there's any rival in this competition to the Typhoon.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:08:00 - [22] Typhoon is quite nice, relatively useless ship bonuses, kinda useless extra drone space, and weak grid kinda suck, but it's still a very nice ship and costs less than a tier 2 BS. Nobody likes getting hit with 4 nosf and 4 autocannons 10 heavy drones by a ship that can still tank quite nicely (not for very long, but still quite well). Tempest is better in most ways, but it does cost more, less drones and not really as well suited to frig/cruiser killing up close. I enjoy flying typhoon more than I do flying armageddon, as to which is worst it's all relative. http://eve.klaki.net/
Sadist	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:13:00 - [23] TBH they're all worthless, besides scorp/geddon/temp, although the latter one is highly arguable. --------------- VIP member of the [23] Sadist - harsh to the idiots, kind to the smart
algorythm	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Typhoon is quite nice, relatively useless ship bonuses, kinda useless extra drone space, and weak grid kinda suck, but it's still a very nice ship and costs less than a tier 2 BS. Nobody likes getting hit with 4 nosf and 4 autocannons 10 heavy drones by a ship that can still tank quite nicely (not for very long, but still quite well). Tempest is better in most ways, but it does cost more, less drones and not really as well suited to frig/cruiser killing up close. I enjoy flying typhoon more than I do flying armageddon, as to which is worst it's all relative. Sir, the fit you mention (AC + NOS) is the one I like the most on a typhoon. Problem is, those 4 NOS have to be medium because you dont have enough powergrid for Large. Those Autocannons will also get a useless bonus of range going from 3Km optimal to 9Km optimal, witch is quite useless considering you will want to have a 100MN Microwarpdrive witch wont fit because your powergrid is already gone from the Large AC's and the Medium NOS. Fit Tech2 RCUs is the only solution, but you will run out of tank/cap recharge rate. Damage mods, remember, no bonus to damage whatsoever on the ship, are a must aswell. __________________________ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein
twisted genius	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:16:00 - [25] It has many purposes. But it is master of none. Yar !
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:20:00 - [26] domi outclasses it on a vampire setup, and it really isnt good at much else so: yep typhoon. Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
DARTHxFREE	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:22:00 - [27] The Typhoon not only has 8 high's....but can support large weapons and can armour tank beter than even the Prophecy >:-E3
algorythm	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:26:00 - [28] Originally by: DARTHxFREE The Typhoon not only has 8 high's....but can support large weapons and can armour tank beter than even the Prophecy You forgot one thing, it is suposed to be a Battleship ^_^ __________________________ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:32:00 - [29] Originally by: algorythm Originally by: DARTHxFREE The Typhoon not only has 8 high's....but can support large weapons and can armour tank beter than even the Prophecy You forgot one thing, it is suposed to be a Battleship ^_^ I think you didn't get the memo... the typhoon is the most nerf proof BS in the game. I will laugh at the Raven lollerskateomgx0rx and Mega nerfmeacapincreaseplzx0rx threads while maintaining the same setup for 2 years running. Beefjerky 4tw! Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:58:00 - [30] Originally by: algorythm Crappy powergrid 4 Guns + 4 Missile points = no versatility Completely absurd bonuses, with only 4 guns and you get bonus for range and speed of guns. I'll agree that the Phoon is among the worst battleships, and I may even agree with your "4/4 = no versatility" comment (though that's debatable)... but crappy powergrid? Mwahahaa. How about flying a Dominix for a bit. Compared to the 9000 grid the Dom has, the Phoon grid is positively huge. After getting used to the Dom grid, the Phoon seems like it could fit anything. Yes, I know that objectively, it's not that hot. But still... some battleships are a lot worse off in that department.

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