Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Originally by: algorythm

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• Crappy powergrid


• 4 Guns + 4 Missile points = no versatility


• Completely absurd bonuses, with only 4 guns and you get bonus for range and speed of guns.

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I'll agree that the Phoon is among the worst battleships, and I may even agree with your "4/4 = no versatility" comment (though that's debatable)... but crappy powergrid? Mwahahaa.

How about flying a Dominix for a bit. Compared to the 9000 grid the Dom has, the Phoon grid is positively huge. After getting used to the Dom grid, the Phoon seems like it could fit anything.

Yes, I know that objectively, it's not that hot. But still... some battleships are a lot worse off in that department.

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: Virxe

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dude..look at the scorp's high slots. 4/4 guns and missles. think you should drop that argument.

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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I will take a Typhoon over a geddon any day of the week period. I will take it over a dominix unless I know the prey doesn't have Smart Bombs. I will take it over a scorpion if I am not in a fleet. I will take it over a tempest for mission running any day of the week. I will take it over a megathron because it they guns have better range and you have defenses vs Caldari Ewar.

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Originally by: Virxe

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dude..look at the scorp's high slots. 4/4 guns and missles. think you should drop that argument.

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Originally by: FFGR

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How about the Faction Battleships ?
I find the Guristas one the most useless (haven't flown one though )

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: FFGR

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How about the Faction Battleships ?
I find the Guristas one the most useless (haven't flown one though )

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Originally by: algorythm

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Scorp gets bonus for EW and 8 med slots. Imho its the best EW boat ingame.

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Originally by: algorythm

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Typhoon is quite nice, relatively useless ship bonuses, kinda useless extra drone space, and weak grid kinda suck, but it's still a very nice ship and costs less than a tier 2 BS. Nobody likes getting hit with 4 nosf and 4 autocannons 10 heavy drones by a ship that can still tank quite nicely (not for very long, but still quite well).

Tempest is better in most ways, but it does cost more, less drones and not really as well suited to frig/cruiser killing up close.

I enjoy flying typhoon more than I do flying armageddon, as to which is worst it's all relative.

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Sir, the fit you mention (AC + NOS) is the one I like the most on a typhoon. Problem is, those 4 NOS have to be medium because you dont have enough powergrid for Large. Those Autocannons will also get a useless bonus of range going from 3Km optimal to 9Km optimal, witch is quite useless considering you will want to have a 100MN Microwarpdrive witch wont fit because your powergrid is already gone from the Large AC's and the Medium NOS. Fit Tech2 RCUs is the only solution, but you will run out of tank/cap recharge rate. Damage mods, remember, no bonus to damage whatsoever on the ship, are a must aswell.

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Originally by: algorythm

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Hi, would like to make this a place where all we vote on witch one is the worst Battleship of the moment.

I would vote for the

Typhoon

Points for this vote:

• Crappy powergrid


• 4 Guns + 4 Missile points = no versatility


• Completely absurd bonuses, with only 4 guns and you get bonus for range and speed of guns.

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The Typhoon class battleship has an unusually strong structural integrity for a Minmatar ship.

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Base, it has 3975 Structure and 3500 armor, the Tempest has 4250 Structure and 3975 armor, so where has the unusually strong structural integrity gone?

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Don't think anyone is saying the typhoon is better than the tempest, that is simply not true for the MOST part. But the typhoon has key elements on its side that make it a very viable ship for lots of reasons. I will take a Typhoon over a geddon any day of the week period. I will take it over a dominix unless I know the prey doesn't have Smart Bombs. I will take it over a scorpion if I am not in a fleet. I will take it over a tempest for mission running any day of the week. I will take it over a megathron because it they guns have better range and you have defenses vs Caldari Ewar.

It might not be the one ship fits all but it is a situational ship that doesn't need its bonus at any given time unless you want to snipe at 250km if someone is boosting your lock. Lots of tears and kill mails have been handed out many a pilot in EVE while they were waiting for their Raven to get a boost. Not to mention Megathron Pilots and Dominix Pilots when Turret changes were put live last year. Yeah how we do forget the spiderfaced monkeyship of doom's old popularity... for shame.

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Originally by: Megadon

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Edited by: Megadon on 14/11/2005 17:59:49
I always thought the phoon would be a very good extreme close range killer because of it's huge drone bay and it can armor tank really well.

Something like 4 cruise launchers and 4 heavy nos's, get in very close and let loose the drones.

or maybe 4 autocannon 425's

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Originally by: Megadon

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Edited by: Megadon on 14/11/2005 17:59:49
I always thought the phoon would be a very good extreme close range killer because of it's huge drone bay and it can armor tank really well.

Something like 4 cruise launchers and 4 heavy nos's, get in very close and let loose the drones.

or maybe 4 autocannon 425's

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: algorythm

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Typhoon is quite nice, relatively useless ship bonuses, kinda useless extra drone space, and weak grid kinda suck, but it's still a very nice ship and costs less than a tier 2 BS. Nobody likes getting hit with 4 nosf and 4 autocannons 10 heavy drones by a ship that can still tank quite nicely (not for very long, but still quite well).

Tempest is better in most ways, but it does cost more, less drones and not really as well suited to frig/cruiser killing up close.

I enjoy flying typhoon more than I do flying armageddon, as to which is worst it's all relative.

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Sir, the fit you mention (AC + NOS) is the one I like the most on a typhoon. Problem is, those 4 NOS have to be medium because you dont have enough powergrid for Large. Those Autocannons will also get a useless bonus of range going from 3Km optimal to 9Km optimal, witch is quite useless considering you will want to have a 100MN Microwarpdrive witch wont fit because your powergrid is already gone from the Large AC's and the Medium NOS. Fit Tech2 RCUs is the only solution, but you will run out of tank/cap recharge rate. Damage mods, remember, no bonus to damage whatsoever on the ship, are a must aswell.

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Hmm well, I suspect the setup I'm thinking of uses 2 rcu II and a heavy cap injector (annoying logistics but reduces need for cap modules), it might even replace a couple of highs with smartbombs (less grid) for happy podding delight, not really all that sure since it's been a while since I actually used one. I only use heavy nosfs on typhoon, no mediums and no cruiser guns.

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Originally by: Koth Krakenworth

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It's the Typhoon. The reason, even though it can be used for a lot of things (it can fill a lot of roles I have to admit) it's not very good at any of it and that's the reason why it's the least useful of all the BS. While all others are very good at one or at most two things, the typhoon is mediocre at plenty. I'd say they should give it a purpose instead. A jack of all trades doesn't work as a ship speciality since, even though battleships should be top of the line, all other battleships can combined do everything that the typhoon can better. This is the reason why a lot of people doesn't use it and why it should get a niche like all other ships. I really hate to be specialized in minmatar and see all of the other races got so nice tier one BS's while there's no reason for why I would want to fly a typhoon. Use it with tank and nossing? Blah, the domi can do that trick much better. Sniper? No matter how you try to convince me that the typhoon is a better sniper then the tempest this is just not true. The extra two guns, powergrid and the 5% extra RoF bonus does make the Tempest a better choice for sniping. While I'm sure the Typhoon can be utilized at more extreme ranges, what's the point? Long range is long range, and in 9/10 cases it wouldn't matter if the enemy is 130km away or 200km away.

My proposal would be to turn it into an autocannon platform with a tracking and damage bonus. Let the Tempest have the missile part of the minmatar BS's, missiles shouldn't be such a great part of the minmatar BS's anyways. And as a sacrifice, maybe do something like descreasing a stat on the autocannon so that a typhoon using 8 of them would do as much damage as a tempest using 6 at the moment which would:

1) Make the typhoon not supahdubah but balanced in line with other T1 BS's.
2) Make sure the tempest would loose it's current role as the (basicly only) minmatar BS autocannon platform. Would also secure the tempest as the 1400mm platform, which would be rather cool I guess. Only problem some people might have with it is that it would ruin their precious tempest 4 autocannon/4 missile setups but meh :)

I guess such a change would be too great though since it would totally change their current uses but one can always dream

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Originally by: Tar om

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Originally by: Koth Krakenworth

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It's the Typhoon. The reason, even though it can be used for a lot of things (it can fill a lot of roles I have to admit) it's not very good at any of it and that's the reason why it's the least useful of all the BS. While all others are very good at one or at most two things, the typhoon is mediocre at plenty. I'd say they should give it a purpose instead. A jack of all trades doesn't work as a ship speciality since, even though battleships should be top of the line, all other battleships can combined do everything that the typhoon can better. This is the reason why a lot of people doesn't use it and why it should get a niche like all other ships. I really hate to be specialized in minmatar and see all of the other races got so nice tier one BS's while there's no reason for why I would want to fly a typhoon. Use it with tank and nossing? Blah, the domi can do that trick much better. Sniper? No matter how you try to convince me that the typhoon is a better sniper then the tempest this is just not true. The extra two guns, powergrid and the 5% extra RoF bonus does make the Tempest a better choice for sniping. While I'm sure the Typhoon can be utilized at more extreme ranges, what's the point? Long range is long range, and in 9/10 cases it wouldn't matter if the enemy is 130km away or 200km away.

My proposal would be to turn it into an autocannon platform with a tracking and damage bonus. Let the Tempest have the missile part of the minmatar BS's, missiles shouldn't be such a great part of the minmatar BS's anyways. And as a sacrifice, maybe do something like descreasing a stat on the autocannon so that a typhoon using 8 of them would do as much damage as a tempest using 6 at the moment which would:

1) Make the typhoon not supahdubah but balanced in line with other T1 BS's.
2) Make sure the tempest would loose it's current role as the (basicly only) minmatar BS autocannon platform. Would also secure the tempest as the 1400mm platform, which would be rather cool I guess. Only problem some people might have with it is that it would ruin their precious tempest 4 autocannon/4 missile setups but meh :)

I guess such a change would be too great though since it would totally change their current uses but one can always dream

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Nice ideas but I don't see why you would want to mess with AC stats. gankageddon isn't exactly lacking in the DPS department - wouldn't it be nice to have a minmatar ship that can do great DPS instead of relying on multiple ships and combining their alpha strike?

If was being really greedy I'd ask for the Typhoon bonuses to be changed to 5% tracking and 10% reduction in turret sig res per level.....leave the ACs as they are so that the tempest can still have fun with 800s.

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Originally by: algorythm

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Base, it has 3975 Structure and 3500 armor, the Tempest has 4250 Structure and 3975 armor, so where has the unusually strong structural integrity gone?

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