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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:43:00 -
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User Interface
The scanner window will show the correct distance to single probe and pre-loaded results.
Really. **** CCP. Put in sig strength then they take it away again. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
488
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:55:00 -
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What does that even mean?
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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1321
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:00:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:What does that even mean?
It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet.
http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
4
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:18:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:What does that even mean? It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet.
Yes, I am angry. This should explain it. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html
The sensor overlay in odyssey automatically showed sig strength masked as distance in the scanner window. Very few people knew about this. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1321
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:29:00 -
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So you're angry CCP fixed a bug that you were keeping to yourself?
http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
273
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:34:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Nathan Jameson wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:What does that even mean? It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet. Yes, I am angry. This should explain it. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.htmlThe sensor overlay in odyssey automatically showed sig strength masked as distance in the scanner window. Very few people knew about this.
Hadn't got as far as working out all that - didn't realise anyone had - but as per my earlier post I'd noticed the discrepancy between the distances on the overlay and the dscan window and was starting to work out that they were in bands, probably fair few other people had noticed to.
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Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:35:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:
So you're angry CCP fixed a bug that you were keeping to yourself?
swiftanbitter might not have been the best place to "hide" it then i guess.
CCP should just give the old interface back + let the probe fomations in. I cant stand the cheerfull colours and bars of the new one, I want numbers, for the same reason, i am typing this text and not draw a picture, to comunicate. |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
4
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:36:00 -
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Well I wasn't keeping it to myself. i read it on the forums; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245445
Some ass hat wrote a detailed bug report which CCP pounced upon like vultures. Apparently, this bug was fixed "Soon" ie within a week. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1439
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:53:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Nathan Jameson wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:What does that even mean? It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet. Yes, I am angry. This should explain it. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.htmlThe sensor overlay in odyssey automatically showed sig strength masked as distance in the scanner window. Very few people knew about this.
Yea it was a lame bug that was bound to be fixed sooner rather than later. I'd rather have the proper distances shown. Sig strength is easier to figure out with other methods anyhow.
Scanning has already been taken to stupidly easy levels. It doesn't need to be any easier.
Nice seeing you back to posting with one of your WH alts instead of that silly NPC corp alt. |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
4
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:12:00 -
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Apparently they just hid it again. The variance in overlay range = sig strength now. Yay quick math. |
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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1322
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:29:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Apparently they just hid it again. The variance in overlay range = sig strength now. Yay quick math.
Reading counts as math these days? No wonder America has such poor academic placings.
http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
488
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:29:00 -
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I knew that table but never paid much attention to it because it has several obvious errors in it.
But what did you need those distance trick for when the signal strength conveys the exact same information already?
I use one combat probe at 64 AU... signal strength 1.3% means size 10, 0.9% means 6.67 etc. I never paid any attention to the distance column, in fact I always had it outside of my scanner window boundaries.
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notha atfast
Jabba Industries INC.
Punkz 'n Monkeys
33
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:39:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Adriana Nolen wrote:Apparently they just hid it again. The variance in overlay range = sig strength now. Yay quick math. Reading counts as math these days? No wonder America has such poor academic placings.
Math is Numbers...Letters are not math and should be excluded...why is that so hard. I suck at reading and counting...I'm an equal opportunity idiot. |
Feer Truelight
133
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:44:00 -
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To be honest: I'm happy that scanning is more accessible (*not* easier). We've got quite some traffic (read: kills) in our wormhole since Odyssey 
That awkward moment when I'm salvaging a Minmatar wreck and after 10 minutes the player starts shooting at me.
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Conci Furiram
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:51:00 -
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They took our DSPs; they redeemed themselves by giving us distances. Now that's gone.
At least give us a USEFUL probe formation for checking bands. The spread formation is nice if it were not for having TWO probes in the center. Is there no dev that understands how wormholers live? We need the ability to quickly scan a system and knowing which signatures to scan; I can't imagine scanning down every single signature in a chain... |
pierre arthos
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2013.06.13 22:28:00 -
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Well, the simplest fix would be to enable a third preset scanning formation, with all probes on top of each other and range set to 64AU. This would then give you your signature size breakdown. This one simple fix and I might even forgive CCP for making my scanning Proteus obsolete.  |
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
188
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Posted - 2013.06.14 09:05:00 -
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Conci Furiram wrote:They took our DSPs; they redeemed themselves by giving us distances. Now that's gone.
At least give us a USEFUL probe formation for checking bands. The spread formation is nice if it were not for having TWO probes in the center. Is there no dev that understands how wormholers live? We need the ability to quickly scan a system and knowing which signatures to scan; I can't imagine scanning down every single signature in a chain...
CCP doesn't want people to be able to know at a glance (aka old DSP behaviour) what sigs are worth scanning down. That much is clear from their intent.
I tend to think that being able to know at a glance what signatures are worth scanning down was broken. People talk about it like it was some feat of skill but really it was just insider undocumented knowledge. I'm sure when CCP conceived of scanning they didn't think "we'll let people bypass the whole process of discovering sites by letting them work out within 10 seconds of jumping in what is worth scanning down" |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
488
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Posted - 2013.06.14 10:54:00 -
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Durzel wrote:I tend to think that being able to know at a glance what signatures are worth scanning down was broken. People talk about it like it was some feat of skill but really it was just insider undocumented knowledge. I'm sure when CCP conceived of scanning they didn't think "we'll let people bypass the whole process of discovering sites by letting them work out within 10 seconds of jumping in what is worth scanning down"
No it was not intended but all the best things in EVE have developed out of unintended behaviour. Like permanent residence in a wormhole for example 
Being better and faster at something because you have insider knowledge is what EVE is about. Hidden layers beneath the obvious.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1443
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:17:00 -
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Conci Furiram wrote:They took our DSPs; they redeemed themselves by giving us distances. Now that's gone.
At least give us a USEFUL probe formation for checking bands. The spread formation is nice if it were not for having TWO probes in the center. Is there no dev that understands how wormholers live? We need the ability to quickly scan a system and knowing which signatures to scan; I can't imagine scanning down every single signature in a chain...
This formation is fine. Not perfect but still fine
Launch probes
drag to 64au
deactivate first probe
scan
reactivate first probe
Continue scanning. |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
4
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:24:00 -
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I'm starting to get good at rage rolling. Finally, an army of alts pays off. |
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
110
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:24:00 -
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Not sure, but isn't scanning it just down faster than determining bands and cherrypicking afterwards?
Mean system-scan-times are already down to 1-3 minute depending on number of sigs. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1443
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:37:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Not sure, but isn't scanning it just down faster than determining bands and cherrypicking afterwards?
Mean system-scan-times are already down to 1-3 minute depending on number of sigs.
If you are looking for an exit, and you happen to be in a system where the static was in its on special band, you can still knock down the number of potential sigs dramatically.
I've been in a system with over 30 sigs and with that one scan knock down the potential sigs to 1-5. |
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
54
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Posted - 2013.06.14 21:13:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:I'm starting to get good at rage rolling. Finally, an army of alts pays off.
So, basically, CCP put a stopper in your isk faucet and your alt-army isn't quite a profitable as it used to be? You should probably know solo isk faucets aren't what CCP meant wormholes to be, with or without an army of alts.
Your tears sustain me. |
ShamedOne
Whale Girth
Phobia.
11
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:13:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote: User Interface
The scanner window will show the correct distance to single probe and pre-loaded results.
Really. **** CCP. Put in sig strength then they take it away again.
Stahp crying. |
Zircon Dasher
230
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:14:00 -
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CCP wants us to cherry pick!
here
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Sissy Sockpuppet
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:30:00 -
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Posting in a soon-to-be-nerfed thread. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1179
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:08:00 -
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Durzel wrote:Conci Furiram wrote:They took our DSPs; they redeemed themselves by giving us distances. Now that's gone.
At least give us a USEFUL probe formation for checking bands. The spread formation is nice if it were not for having TWO probes in the center. Is there no dev that understands how wormholers live? We need the ability to quickly scan a system and knowing which signatures to scan; I can't imagine scanning down every single signature in a chain... CCP doesn't want people to be able to know at a glance (aka old DSP behaviour) what sigs are worth scanning down. That much is clear from their intent. I tend to think that being able to know at a glance what signatures are worth scanning down was broken. People talk about it like it was some feat of skill but really it was just insider undocumented knowledge. I'm sure when CCP conceived of scanning they didn't think "we'll let people bypass the whole process of discovering sites by letting them work out within 10 seconds of jumping in what is worth scanning down"
It's a perfectly legitimate desire to want to be able to quickly glance at a system's sigs and determine the most likely sigs one wants to probe out. There is absolutely no reason that players are required to probe out multiple sigs to determine undesirable results especially when the main mode of travel for wormholers is to "find" the route.
The fact that more experienced players or those in the know made the connection and want to utilize it doesn't diminish game play and mystery for the noobs. Call it what you will, undocumented feature, exploit, whatever. The fact is, the game should have more undocumented features, things that aren't obvious but are either intended to be there or unintended yet do not fundamentally sway game play in another's favor. Just because something is unintended doesn't mean it should be removed.
HTFU!...for the children! |
Trinkets friend
Minmatar-Amarr Man-Boy Love Association
1024
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Posted - 2013.06.15 05:57:00 -
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Without DSP's I used to be able to pick ladar-like sig strength with a spread of 6 probes (and correspondingly, likely wormholes), the radar-mags and statics. Same deal in k-space, if the sig was >28% on six 8AU probes it was a useless Dirty Site site or a Sansha Lookout, and you could ignore it and concentrate on the wormholes or radar-mags for teh moneys. Nullsec scanning was easier; in Perrigen I'd be swamped by high end drone plexes which all had retardo big sig strength and you just knew to ignore them all without OCDing it and faffing about with a DSP.
This is called...experience gained from hours or weeks or months spent probing (and, frustrated wife syndrome).
Indigently pwning indifferently. Some sucker buy me a Naglfar.
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1339
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Posted - 2013.06.15 11:02:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:i so leet durr hurr hurr
Dude...I thought you quit the game.
I mean, I actually have ur stuff.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.06.15 22:33:00 -
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Closing this thread for multiple reasons, but using abusive words directed at CCP is the main one.
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